Heard on the radio from Mike Farrel that Buchner is visiting Alabama this weekend. Portal closes on Monday and doesn’t reopen till December. I think it would be a bad decision for him to go there.
Buchner visiting Alabama
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a legit chance to win a NC ! he will get legit coaching alongside some of the nations top talent! would be a great break for Tyler!
Never have seen such a poor player get such unhinged support
Now the QB situation at Alabama does not look great but the sad fact is their water boy is probably better than Buchner
I am certainly disappointed in Tyler considering he had such monstrous high school numbers. But he has no ability to do progressions.
That said, he can be successful at Bama. They will hide his flaws and he could do pretty good there
Any good team will expose his limitations tho
From what I understand....Bama has not offered Buchner...yet. I am wondering if the trip to Bama is really about Bama, or more about getting some guidance from a trusted third party.....Rees.
He should go to Stanford and not Bama. I don't know if Stanford would want him or not, because they already got two QBs about his age/year. But neither of them are former high elite-recruits at the QB position the way Stanford typically has. And other than that the position looks to be wide open....
And they have a new coach of course so maybe that would be a good fit in terms of scheme, as opposed to Shaw's primordial pro-style offense.
And they have a new coach of course so maybe that would be a good fit in terms of scheme, as opposed to Shaw's primordial pro-style offense.
He will not start at Bama. Then he will leave again. So why leave now? He should stay at ND. Be the backup. Play in some games. Get a feel, then leave in 2024. End up at Fresno or SDSU and play two more years.
Doesn't the portal close on Monday? If that's the case it sounds it's Bama (if they offer) or stay at ND.
Once the portal closes players have 15 days I believe to choose a destination. The closing date is only for entering the portal.
On the other hand, par for the course for ND fans to bury a guy who started 3 games and deem him garbage, while crowning the 17 year old in high school as the second coming.
That would be so frickin' awesome if he went to Bama, holy shit.... That would be incredible. And if he started and did okay, that would be fantastic....
And presumably he could possibly start there, if Bama's QB situation really isn't that great, and it's entirely possible that it's not. So my original guess from way back was Stanford, and maybe that could be a possibility. But probably not, and Bama apparently is very much a real, much more tangible option, and while it's disappointing that TB is gone, and never got to do much here....
If he went to Bama, and started or at least played a halfway insignificant amount of time, that would be totally, 100% worth it. I absolutely hope that they take him....
And presumably he could possibly start there, if Bama's QB situation really isn't that great, and it's entirely possible that it's not. So my original guess from way back was Stanford, and maybe that could be a possibility. But probably not, and Bama apparently is very much a real, much more tangible option, and while it's disappointing that TB is gone, and never got to do much here....
If he went to Bama, and started or at least played a halfway insignificant amount of time, that would be totally, 100% worth it. I absolutely hope that they take him....
Do you think Buchner's game would improve at Alabama? And if so, what would account for it? Rees? Saban? Overall coaching approach within the system? The system itself? The TIDE VIBE?
To me, it's a FASCINATING question. Namely, why would a more successful Alabama program be interested in a guy a less successful ND program doesn't trust? Assuming Alabama is, IN FACT, interested.
And of course the $64,000 question would be if Buchner went to Tuscaloosa and excelled, what does that say about ND?
I don't know the answer, but it would certainly raise a NEW HOST OF QUESTIONS.
I don't think TB is that bad. Not at all. And there's nothing about Bama's two returning guys that are particularly better than Buchner from what I could see.
So I think he could have a great shot. Obviously he might not start, and then he'd be back on the bench. But at least he'd be at Alabama, and so why not go for it. He can be a grad transfer after next season, and play two years somewhere else....
My instinct says he'd be basically the SAME PLAYER, but I'd be curious to see if his "potential" might be better, let's say, DEVELOPED or ACTUALIZED at Alabama. Or NOT.
ND QB transfers have done worse than better in most instances. I remember that Jake Kelcher did pretty well at WVU and perhaps Kent Graham at OSU, but most either stayed the same or got worse.
If I were Buchner, I'd consider transferring somewhere we're I'd be the odds-on favorite to start. Do a Sam Hartman. Otherwise, why bother? A bench is a bench.
But then, maybe Alabama is hot for him and would be looking for him to START. Which is the part that intrigues me in that they'd be banking on the guy ND passed on. Ironic.
We'll see.
By the way, Bama may have originally offerred him. I don't recall, but I'm sure someone else here does.
Agree about the supporting talent, but will that improve his PROGRESSIONS and POCKET PRESENCE? Not to mention the picks which outnumber his TD passes.
Is it just a matter of his needing MORE TIME back there? Or are these merely weaknesses of his feeding a RUN-FIRST TENDENCY he brings to the position.
Well it's still going to be Tommy Rees. So I don't know if that's good or bad. I guess both, maybe. But it gets him in the door. And then hopefully he'd become the latest cog in Nick Saban's Bama juggernaut. With all the trappings that comes with. Of course I don't mean hot cheerleaders, or whatnot.... I just mean all that surrounding talent, and the rest of the well-oiled Bama machinery at his disposal.
He's got to do this. I hope that they offer him a spot because this has to happen. I want to see TB starting for Alabama next season! And like I was saying, I'm pretty sure he could just grad transfer after next season if it doesn't work out, and then just purely be looking for playing time. With two more years to play....
It's kind of a can't-lose type situation.....
I like TB and wish him the best.
Go to Bama play immediately. Which is crazy to say the ND QB room looks better than the Bama room lol.
You know Tommy has definitely been in his ear. The kid could be playing for a National Championship this year. God bless you young man!
Go to Bama play immediately. Which is crazy to say the ND QB room looks better than the Bama room lol.
You know Tommy has definitely been in his ear. The kid could be playing for a National Championship this year. God bless you young man!
I'm all for it as well.
As a CFB experiment, it's one that's HARD TO BEAT. Seldom do you get such a rich stew of potential DRAMATIC PLOT POINTS.
This could prove MASSIVELY ENTERTAINING and in a way that moves the game further along its now GIDDIER TRAJECTORY.
For the past 7 or 8 seasons Bama has had some pretty good QBs. Bryce Young, Mac Jones, Tua Tagovailoa and Jalen Hurts. Before that string, however, they had some pretty pedestrian QBs. AJ McCarron wasn't bad, but I always saw him as more of a game manager QB. Bama won games and national championships with a stout defense and a punishing running attack. But college football changed, and Saban figured out you need an elite QB to win at the highest level. That is why I find the Tyler Buchner to Bama narrative a little puzzling. TB had gaudy high school numbers, but the competition was pretty weak. After watching him play at ND, it is obvious that he is an excellent runner, but it is equally obvious to me he will never become an elite thrower. He has a strange side-armed throwing motion, with both average arm strength and accuracy. (And saying he has average accuracy may be charitable.) Philip Rivers also had a funky throwing motion, but he had much better arm strength and was also very accurate.
Unless Saban thinks Tommy Rees is a magician, I just don't see how TB works at Bama. Or maybe the QBs Bama has right now are just really bad.
Unless Saban thinks Tommy Rees is a magician, I just don't see how TB works at Bama. Or maybe the QBs Bama has right now are just really bad.
It's not a narrative. TB wants out at ND, perhaps he's not vibing with the new offensive staff, which is entirely possible, and that might be a sub-narrative.... and so he's looking around and lo and behold his old coach, his OC and QB coach is now improbably enough the new guy at Bama and they are wide open at the QB position as of today's date, so the why the hell not if you're TB?
So the narrative if anything is a great one. For the first time in a while there's room at the top of the Bama QB depth chart, and so why couldn't it be TB? What makes Brian Milroe any better than him, if anything he has less experience playing for Rees, and I'm pretty sure if SH had gone to Bama and not ND he'd have won the job there too. So it's a great narrative if anything, and it gives TB one more crack at a starting job for a top-tier team, in an almost sort of uniquely appealing situation with it involving Nick Saban and the Bama juggernaut, but also his old mentor TRees as well, and the worst that happens is he rides the pine at Bama like he would have at ND, and he can transfer again after that, and go to somewhere like Hawaii or Florida Atlantic where he could definitely have a great chance to start....
I really hope he goes to Alabama and starts.
We'll learn everything we need to know about Buchner/Rees and where ND is at much faster than I thought.
If he goes and crushes it at Bama the issue will be with what's at ND.
If he doesn't do well at Bama, the issues left ND for bama.
We'll learn everything we need to know about Buchner/Rees and where ND is at much faster than I thought.
If he goes and crushes it at Bama the issue will be with what's at ND.
If he doesn't do well at Bama, the issues left ND for bama.
It's a narrative until TB actually ends up at Bama. But certainly I agree that TB is looking at his options for now.
Everything you say may be true, but the point I was trying to make is that I just don't see TB as the elite QB that Saban has had running his offense at Bama for the past 7-8 years. Do you? While TB seems to be a great kid, he is just not a very good passer. Can that be fixed? I am very skeptical. Bad passing mechanics are very hard to fix, as we saw with Brandon Wimbush. Maybe you are right and Saban thinks TR is some kind of QB whisperer who will be able to fix TB's passing issues, or maybe the guys that Bama currently has vying for the starting QB position are just bad, and Saban will decide it is worth a roll of the dice. I just have my doubts. But to be clear, I don't begrudge TB for one minute for looking at his options with another school. Hope it works out for him.
I'm puzzled by it as well.
Buchner actually reminds me a bit of Paul Hornung. Not stylistically but in terms of his gifts: great runner, average to below average passer. Arnaz Battle also comes to mind.
And to play in the pros, both Hornung and Battle -- and they both had productive careers -- had to switch positions. Battle had already done so full-time at ND while Horuning at times at played HB and FB at ND when his throwing hand was injured.
But neither was EVER going to be an NFL QB. I think the same is true of Buchner.
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His in the portal as a no contact player, which means he already has a destination in mind, which means their had to be a conversation between TR and TB before hand. Seems a little under handed to me. Go ahead, TB their is a good chance he would be the starter at ND for two years after SH. Ohh, wait until you get a load of those SEC defenses who know you will run every chance you get
If he goes to Bama he'll be battling against Brian Milroe and Ty Simpson, I guess his name is. That's all he has to beat out to be starter for them next year. So if he can do that....
It would be entertaining. And I would think he's got a fighting chance to win the job, or at least be in the mix and play a little. It's a great situation to take a stab at. You only live once, and he's still got two more seasons after that. Maybe he could transfer back to ND next spring. How's that for a narrative.....
Yes, I've already speculated about that and believe that the transfer out/transfer back phenomenon will occur at some stage with SOMEONE, whether or not it's Buchner. After that, it could also become a THING.
The "EMPLOYMENT" situation in CFB now resembles the kind of employment market that usually exists during BOOM TIMES in the economy.
Experience suggests that it won't go on WITHOUT SOME SORT OF REGULATION forever, but for as long as it exists, it should remain an exciting FACET of the game to all but PALEO-TRADITIONALISTS.
Its just a fascinating thing how ND guys trek to Bama all of a sudden. This alone....looking from a distance....is telling. I can't remember the last Bama guy who trekked to Notre Dame. Is Bama Caanan's Land? What does that make Notre Dame? Thoughts?
Buchner will stay at Notre Dame. In regards to the Portal it is making College Football a joke. At least in the NFL there are contractual terms that both understand and agree too ahead of time. Players are not slaves but scholarship is compensation. Football needs to come up with a standard agreement terms that schools and players can live with. If you don't like it go to the CFL, NFL, USFL, CFL etc. etc. - Let the NFL draft high school kids if they want...otherwise sign on the dotted line. Transfer? Sure...but timing, cost all decided ahead of time. Perhaps like lower level soccer....College teams could sell the player to a better team for financial compensation.
Honestly would like it to go back to the way it was...loyalty....but I also understand many schools did not treat their athletes the way ND does in honoring their scholarships regardless of performance. Paying attention to recruiting then watching players grow is what its about. If I want to watch paid mercenaries I will just watch the NFL.
Honestly would like it to go back to the way it was...loyalty....but I also understand many schools did not treat their athletes the way ND does in honoring their scholarships regardless of performance. Paying attention to recruiting then watching players grow is what its about. If I want to watch paid mercenaries I will just watch the NFL.
If it’s any consolation, this has happened before.
George Gipp’s ND teammate – and roommate, the season he passed away – FRANK THOMAS, went on to become one of the TIDE’s all-time great coaches, compiling an 81% winning percentage over 15 seasons, including two NC’s and four bowl victories.
There were only four bowl games in those years – Rose, Sugar, Cotton and Orange – and the only one Thomas didn’t win was the Sugar.
ON THE OTHER HAND, both Justin Tuck and Melvin Dansby, both heralded prep players from Alabama, attended Notre Dame, not Alabama. Tuck was great and Dansby might have been had injuries not slowed him down.
As for now, I don’t see the ND to Alabama trend continuing. In fact, if Rees hadn’t gone to Alabama, I’m not sure Buchner would even be considering it – though WHO CAN BE SURE?
As for Kelly, I think it was simple. He saw GREATER OPPORTUNITY AT LSU and a SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER CHANCE at winning an NC.
Still, what each of these recent moves tell me is that while ND can ASSEMBLE VALUABLE PARTS, which are in turn desirable to other programs, the ND ACADEMIC ETHOS/MINDSET prevents ND from combining the SUM OF THOSE PARTS into a SUCCESSFUL WHOLE as there are never quite enough KEY PARTS.
And when I say SUCCESSFUL, I mean as in annual NC contender in the LATER ROUNDS.
It’s the same old story. ND insists on serving the gods of ACADEME while also attempting to serve FOOTBALL CAESAR.
But it’s an ACT OF FAITH too far, especially when spiked with FANBASE HOPIUM.
As for Freeman’s role? He’s just the latest Manchurian Candidate – a latter-day Brennan or Faust, though multiculturally UPGRADED – to keep people from thinking that more than simply HOPING FOR THE BEST is what’s happening.
If that sounds cynical, let me put it this way. If I were a CAPITAL PROVIDER – which I’ve been – I wouldn’t give any to ND based on what appears to be its CURRENT STRATEGIC PLAN. Don’t like the risk/reward profile for what ND claims as its MISSION.
But I'd give BAMA a FAT LINE OF CREDIT.
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