Blake Hebert to ND
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I like Sagapolutele's film more than Hebert's and think Sagapolutele will be the better QB when all is said and done, but I guess we will see. Not sure if we even pursued Sagapolutele. I just think Jaron will be really good. Be interesting to see if Cal is able to keep him. Won't shock me to see him end up at Oregon.
Why, is Oregon trying to flip him? I liked him too. Huge arm, but this guy has a big arm too, even though it's not near as accurate, at least post ankle injury I guess that he suffered.
Yeah, there are rumors that Oregon is trying to flip Sagapolutele, but I don't have any inside information on whether the rumors are true. With Dillon Gabriel at Oregon there is a Hawaii connecion there, and family connections are very important in Hawaii, so I would not be surprised if Sagapolutele's family is talking to Gabriel's about what it is like to play for Oregon.
Oregon Ducks Offer 2025 Cal Commit, Quarterback Jaron-Keawe Sagapolutele
Dillon Gabriel will only be the man under center for the Oregon Ducks this season. UCLA transfer Dante Moore is expected to take over the job next season with 2
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No I didn't. I told you they were talking to QBs since the summer when you thought they were caught with their pants down and didn't have a backup plan. They were prepared. You're overreaction wasn't justified
Deuce is elite at playing QB and stringing along a program to get a top NIL offer from a lower program. Is what it is in todays college football world.
Hebert is not just talking about Notre Dame. He is talking about four years at Notre Dame. That is a very interesting and welcomed expression of his goals and aspirations. The kid emphasizes the long game at Notre Dame. Reminds me of Carr. This is getting harder to find in recruits because of the mercenary complexion of the game today. Combined with Hebert's abilities...his expressed attitude about Notre Dame is a rare commodity.
Deuce visited Notre Dame 10 times. Again. 10. Many at his own expense from Mississippi.
I sincerely believed he was a lock for Notre Dame.
We all did early on. But then came the noise and for the last 3 to 4 months of his recruitment, all the insiders said there was smoke from Auburn.
My biggest gripe is simply that he stayed committed so long, but, I guess that’s what you have to do until the proper contract is laid in front of you.
You mean like their backup plan for the other snubs they got? This is the first time they’ve gotten a good backfill for a big time player they decommitted
Kenny Minchey....
James Flanagan....
Brandon Logan....if you don't think he's a good player, learn to watch more film
Didn't have a "big time player" decommit in 24
It's okay to say you were wrong. They were prepared and had a backup plan. They were talking to QBs for a couple months like I said. You overreact and jump to conclusions like after the first drive of a game 🤣🤣
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This guy's arm looks pretty strong, although the videos look sped up. I hope he recovers from the case of the yips he seems to be suffering with. Because the raw tools are there.
I read that they reached out to Hebert shortly before Deuce formally flipped, but the total elapsed time from initial contact to Hebert flipping to ND was six weeks. They may have had a plan B in their heads, but they sure weren’t executing to it months in advance.
Flanagan wasn’t backup, they wanted to take 2 and haven’t
Logan wasn’t a backup for Bowen
Nothing for Keeley
Minchey was good add
You are blaming Deuce and not ND who apparently didn't match the offer? As a fan i'd be pissed at another example of ND getting outbid for a key prospect with upside at an important position. Why can't ND *ahem* I mean NDs-NIL-partners just match the offer?
Why is this school so tight fisted with the piles of cash they are sitting on? Talent is probably cheaper right now than it is ever going to be. And the top teams in the country (Oregon, OSU, Texas, etc.) are the teams spending the most money on their roster in NIL deals. All three of those teams are rumored to have spent $20M on their roster and all 3 of those programs are at the top of the advanced ranking systems through week 7.
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He also left the class with plenty of time left for ND to make a move at the position. ND responded by conceding their top target for a far inferior prospect at the position. These are precisely the types of recruiting results that are preventing ND from becoming a legit tier 1 program for a national title.
"far inferior"? Neither one of these guys has taken a college snap. Any quarterback not named Deuce would fall into that category since he was "#1". The real Deuce Knight story is that he was never going to play quarterback at Notre Dame...ever. His recruitment was always high risk and not necessarily high reward, imo. He was occupying time and space while peddling his wares to the highest bidder. No one is a sure thing. But Hebert has all the tools to compete for the job and most importantly, he says he intends to be at Notre Dame for 4 years. We are trying to get weaned from the portal as well. You can't have a "drop off" unless you have a starting point. Deuce Knight wasn't a commitment...he was a manipulation.
When it comes to recruiting, the focus needs to be removed from the individual, and the focus needs to be put on the health of the position group as a whole (1-4 or 1-5) depending on how many 85-man roster spots are dedicated to the position group.
If you have 5 roster spots dedicated to QB any given year, all 5 of those guys on your roster need to be elite prospects that can produce a top 10 type of offense in their prime at ND.
Right now, I think ND is taking guys/bodies just to have a back up on the roster. But this is a bad move, because it isn't considering the opportunity cost of the spot being occupied that could be used on a player that might have significantly greater upside.
DK is a composite 5-star top30 overall prospect
Blake Hebert is ranked down in the 400s overall (just barely a 4-star prospect at the lowest end).
If this was the NFL draft, we just traded our first round pick for a 7th round pick and got no other benefits for making the move. And instead of fans rightfully calling it for what it is (a kick to the nuts of the incoming class), we make excuses and pretend like its all good.
Furthermore, why are we letting something as simple as an NIL guarantee prevent us from grabbing our best prospect? We generate way more money from our football program than ole miss does and our competitors for a national title trophy are spending $20M/year on their roster at least.
Offer DK more money than the competition is willing to -- what is the impediment?
If you have 5 roster spots dedicated to QB any given year, all 5 of those guys on your roster need to be elite prospects that can produce a top 10 type of offense in their prime at ND.
Right now, I think ND is taking guys/bodies just to have a back up on the roster. But this is a bad move, because it isn't considering the opportunity cost of the spot being occupied that could be used on a player that might have significantly greater upside.
Far inferior prospect as per the prognosticators/evaluations on these players.
DK is a composite 5-star top30 overall prospect
Blake Hebert is ranked down in the 400s overall (just barely a 4-star prospect at the lowest end).
If this was the NFL draft, we just traded our first round pick for a 7th round pick and got no other benefits for making the move. And instead of fans rightfully calling it for what it is (a kick to the nuts of the incoming class), we make excuses and pretend like its all good.
Furthermore, why are we letting something as simple as an NIL guarantee prevent us from grabbing our best prospect? We generate way more money from our football program than ole miss does and our competitors for a national title trophy are spending $20M/year on their roster at least.
Offer DK more money than the competition is willing to -- what is the impediment?
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We don't know what the NIL deals look like. Knight wasn't coming to Notre Dame. We were being used as a showroom for the shoppers. Auburn was the buyer.....and had been for a while. I am disappointed that Notre Dame didn't push the envelope with him earlier. You seem to think Notre Dame "lost" a quarterback. We didn't...We gained one.
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You have no idea what conversations are actually being had at ND when it comes to NIL or anything else football related. You’re obsessed with overpaying unproven athletes, i suggest you start donating to the fund and you can sponsor any QB you’d like.
How is it working out for UCLA boosters who paid Dante Moore? Or Ohio State who paid Quinn Ewers? Current college football isn’t even a 1 year contract, players can leave whenever!
Maybe these kids actually aren’t worth the money they’re being promised before they take a college snap? If you believe they are, I say go ahead and pay them yourself.
It’s so easy to spend other people’s money in this world.
Logan was a backup for Taylor, know your years
Flanagan replaced Roberts, upgrade. They have not wanted to take 2. That's a recent development. They still may not take another. It's up in the air
Hebert with Deuce.
Minchey
Traore is better than Keeley
Yeah they were. They were talking with multiple QBs since end of July beginning of August
They executed their plan.
That's because you don't understand a team and football
To throw money at Deuce like that is a net negative for the team
DK likely would've been a constant distraction.
If he wasn't playing immediately, then the threat to leave would've been constant.
And again- elite athlete, raw prospect, left-handed.....when has that worked at Notre Dame.
Hebert will be here 4 years. Develop him the right way, at the right pace. I'm fine w this trade.
Such a mercenary move is just despicable. Would be a rather regressive move in ethics fro Notre Dame to do such a move.
WTF are you talking about? You're basically out of line talking like that. Like straight up, and you need to apologize to the kid, even though you don't even know him. There's nothing mercenary about it, and you're just an exploiter, who wants him to come play at ND for your pleasure for free. Where would you ever get off talking like that?
The kid's done nothing wrong. Match the offer if you want him that bad. Pay him yourself. And get it in writing and then you can bitch at him if he reneges. Then you had a deal. Other than that he doesn't owe you or ND a damn thing.
This is what I’ve read in more than one publication. Hebert was their first priority according to what I’ve read. At this point, not very important other than this does not align with your narrative.
“Knight announced his flip to Auburn Oct. 2, which is just about the same time that Notre Dame started contacting Hebert, give or take a day.”
Irish breakdown has a breakdown video of his commitment and other recruiting podcasts.
Say they were recruiting QBs for 2 months.
Also you said they were recruiting Hebert for 6 weeks above and now you changed your story to 2 weeks ago. Which story are you sticking with?
If ND matches the offer, and Auburn or another SEC school again ups the next offer, is ND obligated to match that one too?
When does it stop? ND has an initial offer, and that accompanies all the other great things that come with being a QB/student-athlete at ND.
If it turns into a bidding war, ND really oughta get out.
This might be a better get than duece overall. For the team, not from an individual talent standpoint. With the talent already on campus, it was going to be stressful if they trotted out a true freshman next year. Regardless of his talent, I would bet on the quality depth already here ahead of a true freshman. Hebert can develop and learn while Angeli Minchy and Carr battle it out for QB1. Seems like a home run after the decommitment happened.
The DK fantasy/farce took ND into the same troubled waters we've learned to know. Hebert is a success story; but one that could have ended badly. We have seen the alternative outcome far too often. This is a breath of fresh air. One would hope that the coaching staff was much more proactive than in past experiences and had this recruitment under more control than is public knowledge. IOW....hopefully, ND created the break instead of catching it as it flew by. Its the Ham and Egg principle at play: " When a chicken lays an egg, she's made a contribution...but that hog's committed". Deuce Knight was a contribution....not a commitment. I think most of us knew that...if being intellectually honest is required. Some here believe that this was and is costly to ND, in spite of Hebert's commitment. I don't believe that for a minute. Any quarterback who committed was a net gain (over an imaginary player)....and Hebert is a substantial net gain.....imo.
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Maybe they didn't like how the Knight family handled the situation? Maybe they feel a Notre Dame degree, and being surrounded by Notre Dame players, in addition to the NIL being offered, was worth more than the Knight family thought it was.
Whether a couple days or a couple weeks before Deuce’s flip, the timelines I’ve read suggests a very short period between reaching out and his commitment, as opposed to your assertion they were in contact the end of July or early August. I am sharing what I’ve read, and you are sharing a different timeline based on what you’ve read or watched. At this point it doesn’t matter.
Yep. Whether a good plan by the staff or lucky, this is the first time they've landed a backup plan quickly after losing a big decommit.
Minchey I think was about 6 months after it was clear moore wasn't going to ND (4 months post his commitment to oregon). Good get last second, but it was pretty clear they didn't have a plan B and had to develop one.
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