Bertrand

[Get Nasty]

Anyone who thinks he knows more than the coaches who are with the players in every practice is a f'ing moron whi doesn’t know sh*t about sports, and most likely never played competitively in their life. That sure sounds like you. Little league and pee wee football don't count.

Here you go making stuff up again. No one is claiming they know more than the coaches, but sometimes it’s clear when the coaches are wrong.
A thread on being happy joe Alt is starting will get a few likes and no comments. A thread discussing options on how to replace Bertrand as he’s been struggling for his last 10 or so games provides a lot of discussion. That’s one of the points of a message board. I’m sure Bertrand is doing a lot of things right during the week to keep getting pt, the problem is he’s not doing almost anything right in the game. He’s been given 2 years of chances, same with Lewis. Keep them for depth but need to see if there’s someone capable of playing better in the games. Kollie made a play last night Bertrand hasn’t made in his career.

 

[Golson5]

Anyone who thinks he knows more than the coaches who are with the players in every practice is a f'ing moron whi doesn’t know sh*t about sports, and most likely never played competitively in their life. That sure sounds like you. Little league and pee wee football don't count.

I dont know more than the coaches. Never said I did. But they are wrong at times and a lot of people can point that out. That's why so many get fired..... by non coaches!

How is that possible? They know nothing

 

[Patrirish]

Anyone who thinks the coaches always know more than anyone else watching is a sheep and a dope. Don't question anything. Just follow

You’re wrong …… again.

Prudent decisions are based upon the greater number data points in the decision maker’s possession

What data points are you in possession of ?

And, numerically, how do the number of data points in your possession compare to the number of data points in the coaches possession ?

 

[Patrirish]

Here you go making stuff up again. No one is claiming they know more than the coaches, but sometimes it’s clear when the coaches are wrong.
A thread on being happy joe Alt is starting will get a few likes and no comments. A thread discussing options on how to replace Bertrand as he’s been struggling for his last 10 or so games provides a lot of discussion. That’s one of the points of a message board. I’m sure Bertrand is doing a lot of things right during the week to keep getting pt, the problem is he’s not doing almost anything right in the game. He’s been given 2 years of chances, same with Lewis. Keep them for depth but need to see if there’s someone capable of playing better in the games. Kollie made a play last night Bertrand hasn’t made in his career.

What makes it clear that the coaches are staring the wrong players ?

Please list your data points !

 

[Golson5]

You’re wrong …… again.

Prudent decisions are based upon the greater number data points in the decision maker’s possession

What data points are you in possession of ?

And, numerically, how do the number of data points in your possession compare to the number of data points in the coaches possession ?

Why do coaches get fired?

Are you saying they are God like? Are they infallible?

 

[Patrirish]

Why do coaches get fired?

Are you saying they are God like? Are they infallible?

Because the cumulative data points indicate that they should be fired.

The administrations don’t listen to know nothings like you.

What I get a kick out of are those who kept calling for Kelly to be fired, who were upset when he quit.

Now there’s certainly grounds for being upset by the way he quit and the timing of his quitting, but how could they be upset by his departure, they can’t have it both ways !

 

[Patrirish]

Why do coaches get fired?

Are you saying they are God like? Are they infallible?

Why do you leap to these absurd conclusions ?

Are you self-medicating again

 

[Golson5]

Because the cumulative data points indicate that they should be fired.

The administrations don’t listen to know nothings like you.

What I get a kick out of are those who kept calling for Kelly to be fired, who were upset when he quit.

Now there’s certainly grounds for being upset by the way he quit and the timing of his quitting, but how could they be upset by his departure, they can’t have it both ways !

The administration's people were never coaches. How could they possibly know? Some never even played hs football. Some are women. The administration people should be the know nothings according to you.

I see cumulative data points is your new talking point. You're like Bidens press secretary when she kept saying top of mind hahaha

 

[Golson5]

Why do you leap to these absurd conclusions ?

Are you self-medicating again

Because you act like they are never wrong because they make all decisions using cumulative data points. So if they are using that data why are theycalways getting fired??

Maybe their data points are wrong, eh

 

[REMND]

Before the season started most seemed to think the LB unit was one of our best on the team. I have not heard that opinion expressed in a long time.

Kollie is ready now. He has been training at Will I thought. I have heard some say Liufau should be a Rover. Jr is not ready apparently for Mike yet. Bauer has been playing hurt. Maybe Kiser. I predicted he would be a Mike when he arrived. Hard to learn new LB roles now though after 5 games.

This really makes me miss Lea with his LB rotation.

 

[Patrirish]

Because you act like they are never wrong because they make all decisions using cumulative data points. So if they are using that data why are theycalways getting fired??

Maybe their data points are wrong, eh

Then tell us how your data points are more accurate and outnumber the coaches data points

 

[Patrirish]

The administration's people were never coaches. How could they possibly know? Some never even played hs football. Some are women. The administration people should be the know nothings according to you.

I see cumulative data points is your new talking point. You're like Bidens press secretary when she kept saying top of mind hahaha

Data is data !

No, you’re the know nothing, The AD’s and others in the administration know far more than you !

You have no concrete data, only random personal observations !

 

[Golson5]

Then tell us how your data points are more accurate and outnumber the coaches data points

It had nothing to do with data points

That's your silly talking point

 

[Golson5]

Data is data !

No, you’re the know nothing, The AD’s And others in the administration know far more than you !

You have no concrete data, only random personal observations !

Right.... lol

 

[Patrirish]

It had nothing to do with data points

That's your silly talking point

I should have known that my post was beyond your comprehension level.

 

[Golson5]

I should have known that my post was beyond your comprehension level.

Just like the pylons and going for 2 in the first half

You're a bright one alright

 

[Patrirish]

Just like the pylons and going for 2 in the first half

You're a bright one alright

As I stated, many, if not most of my posts exceed your comprehension level.

Going for 2 was the right call, you just don’t understand probabilities, especially in the context of the number of possessions

 

[Golson5]

As I stated, many, if not most of my posts exceed your comprehension level.

Going for 2 was the right call, you just don’t understand probabilities, especially in the context of the number of possessions

Brilliant !

 

[Patrirish]

Brilliant !

No, actually it’s basic math, just permutations and probabilities.

The coaches keep a situational chart that tells them when to elect a 2 point conversion.

I thought that an expert like you would know that……. Evidently not.

 

[Golson5]

No, actually it’s basic math, just permutations and probabilities.

The coaches keep a situational chart that tells them when to elect a 2 point conversion.

I thought that an expert like you would know that……. Evidently not.

Brilliant !

 

[Patrirish]

Brilliant !

Thanks

 

[SubwaydomerDFW]

What makes it clear that the coaches are staring the wrong players ?

Please list your data points !

Our current starting QB

You’re wrong …… again.

Prudent decisions are based upon the greater number data points in the decision maker’s possession

What data points are you in possession of ?

And, numerically, how do the number of data points in your possession compare to the number of data points in the coaches possession ?

the only data points that matter are what’s done in the game.

give you the benefit of the doubt that Bertrand is a better practice player but practice is different than the game.

there is an intensity in game situations that can’t be replicated in practice.. additionally there are communication constraints as you don’t have the luxury of making sure the call is right.

many players are good practice players and not game performers because their half step is not on display when things are 90-95% speed. This is where natural athletes and player who play with instincts who may not have their eyes in the right place shine because they may have missed an assignment but they missed it with great intensity.

You and Diego need to cool it with the we’re smarter than you and anyone who disagrees with us is an idiot schtick.

 

[Patrirish]

Our current starting QB

the only data points that matter are what’s done in the game.

give you the benefit of the doubt that Bertrand is a better practice player but practice is different than the game.

there is an intensity in game situations that can’t be replicated in practice.. additionally there are communication constraints as you don’t have the luxury of making sure the call is right.

many players are good practice players and not game performers because their half step is not on display when things are 90-95% speed. This is where natural athletes and player who play with instincts who may not have their eyes in the right place shine because they may have missed an assignment but they missed it with great intensity.

You and Diego need to cool it with the we’re smarter than you and anyone who disagrees with us is an idiot schtick.

So you, who only see Bertrand on TV, are better qualified than the collective of all of the coaches, to assess who should start.

And, since the TV cameras follow the ball, and he’s on defense, and only seen sporadically, your frame of reference, your data points, are even more limited.

in addition, how would you know how he practices and how would you know how the other players at his position practice.

so I disagree with you and I’m smarter than you because I know what I don’t know, unlike you.

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

Here you go making stuff up again. No one is claiming they know more than the coaches, but sometimes it’s clear when the coaches are wrong.
A thread on being happy joe Alt is starting will get a few likes and no comments. A thread discussing options on how to replace Bertrand as he’s been struggling for his last 10 or so games provides a lot of discussion. That’s one of the points of a message board. I’m sure Bertrand is doing a lot of things right during the week to keep getting pt, the problem is he’s not doing almost anything right in the game. He’s been given 2 years of chances, same with Lewis. Keep them for depth but need to see if there’s someone capable of playing better in the games. Kollie made a play last night Bertrand hasn’t made in his career.

Did you happen to catch the Mike Goolsby show after the BYU game? He had an interesting discussion about the LB situation. In his view, Kollie should be starting at Will, Kiser at Mike and Liufau at Rover. He thinks Liufau is just lost playing in the middle and needs to play in space where he can see things developing in front of him. He also thinks Bertrand has been playing bad and shouldn't be in there (or at least not starting).

I'd like to think Goolsby knows a thing or two about playing LB.

Here is a link to the show if you want to catch what Goolsby had to say:

 

[Get Nasty]

Did you happen to catch the Mike Goolsby show after the BYU game? He had an interesting discussion about the LB situation. In his view, Kollie should be starting at Will, Kiser at Mike and Liufau at Rover. He thinks Liufau is just lost playing in the middle and needs to play in space where he can see things developing in front of him. He also thinks Bertrand has been playing bad and shouldn't be in there (or at least not starting).

I'd like to think Goolsby knows a thing or two about playing LB.

Here is a link to the show if you want to catch what Goolsby had to say:

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Agree on kollie and Kiser… not sure on Marist. Marist is disruptive blitzer. I would worry he could be even more lost as rover.

 

[SubwaydomerDFW]

So you, who only see Bertrand on TV, are better qualified than the collective of all of the coaches, to assess who should start.

And, since the TV cameras follow the ball, and he’s on defense, and only seen sporadically, your frame of reference, your data points, are even more limited.

in addition, how would you know how he practices and how would you know how the other players at his position practice.

so I disagree with you and I’m smarter than you because I know what I don’t know, unlike you.

Perhaps you're smarter than I am.. You'd be in pretty good company. My wife suggested I take an IQ test because I'm always self deprecating as all of my friends are extremely intelligent. I've always pretty much just assumed I'm a dumb ass,.. But turns out I'm in the 13% lmaoo scored 120 with a glaring weakness in abstract reasoning but everything else was pretty much off the charts. But I digress...



Your entire argument is that Bertrand is better because he's the starter and obviously the coaches know better than we do because they have data points. Thats why i said I'll give you that Bertrand is probably a better practice player (smarter more experienced etc). It's almost as if, in the history of football (or sports in general), that there has never been a more capable backup waiting in the wings that the coaches or managers were hesitant to let takeover the starting role, so your take is unequivocally spot on. You weaponize your data points comment but you don't have any data points proving that Bertrand is the guy. He led the team in tackles last year in a system that funneled most of the run fits to his position, wow. Great call. Plenty of football teams leading tackler is not their best defender. That just happens to be the beneficiary of where the play is squeezed..

If you watch football and know anything about football (don't need to be rhodes scholar) you'd understand Bertrand isn't a BAD football player, but he's your typical 4-3 thumper who's strengths are fitting runs in between the guards. What they're asking him to do doesn't fit his skill set. He does not have the quickness or twitch to be a good LB in this system. Shit you don't even really need to be a football nerd to watch the defense and realize that Bertrand is easily replaceable by nearly anyone on the roster.

Now if ND is playing Michigan and they needed to roll up their sleeves and play in a phone booth, Bertrand might be your guy. Playing speed option like he wiffed to open up the 4th quarter is not in his wheel house. I'm not going to criticize him getting caught in the wash on the TD run on the next play because it's probably the DLines fault for getting mauled there and I don't know what his assignment was. But if you analyze the see ball get ball plays, he's slow.

I'm done debating with a smart ass who thinks he knows everything.

 

[BGI User 756]

Goolsby is correct about Marist

 

[BGI User 756]

Nasty…

Disruptive blitzer? Marist doesn’t get home enough to be called such. And he has a total of .5 sacks this year. He gets mauled way too often and also chooses the wrong gap at least half the time
Disruptive blitzer? Marist doesn’t get home enough to be called such. And he has a total of .5 sacks this year. He gets mauled way too often and also chooses the wrong gap at least half the time

Marist is best served in space

 

[Patrirish]

Perhaps you're smarter than I am.. You'd be in pretty good company. My wife suggested I take an IQ test because I'm always self deprecating as all of my friends are extremely intelligent. I've always pretty much just assumed I'm a dumb ass,.. But turns out I'm in the 13% lmaoo scored 120 with a glaring weakness in abstract reasoning but everything else was pretty much off the charts. But I digress...



Your entire argument is that Bertrand is better because he's the starter and obviously the coaches know better than we do because they have data points. Thats why i said I'll give you that Bertrand is probably a better practice player (smarter more experienced etc). It's almost as if, in the history of football (or sports in general), that there has never been a more capable backup waiting in the wings that the coaches or managers were hesitant to let takeover the starting role, so your take is unequivocally spot on. You weaponize your data points comment but you don't have any data points proving that Bertrand is the guy. He led the team in tackles last year in a system that funneled most of the run fits to his position, wow. Great call. Plenty of football teams leading tackler is not their best defender. That just happens to be the beneficiary of where the play is squeezed..

If you watch football and know anything about football (don't need to be rhodes scholar) you'd understand Bertrand isn't a BAD football player, but he's your typical 4-3 thumper who's strengths are fitting runs in between the guards. What they're asking him to do doesn't fit his skill set. He does not have the quickness or twitch to be a good LB in this system. Shit you don't even really need to be a football nerd to watch the defense and realize that Bertrand is easily replaceable by nearly anyone on the roster.

Now if ND is playing Michigan and they needed to roll up their sleeves and play in a phone booth, Bertrand might be your guy. Playing speed option like he wiffed to open up the 4th quarter is not in his wheel house. I'm not going to criticize him getting caught in the wash on the TD run on the next play because it's probably the DLines fault for getting mauled there and I don't know what his assignment was. But if you analyze the see ball get ball plays, he's slow.

I'm done debating with a smart ass who thinks he knows everything.

Certainly not everything, but perhaps a little more than you.
I understand your need to turn tail and run !
Others have led the way for you.

The coaches now have more data points, in and out of games, on Bertrand and on those playing his position.

if we’re to believe that coaches want to win and that in order to win they believe that they have to play their best players, then why wouldn’t they play their best players ?

Do you think that individually and collectively that the coaches are inept ?

That they don’t want to win ?
That they can’t evaluate talent ?

How do you now how Bertrand and the others practice ?

Do you feel that you are better equipt to select the starters ?
Or, are the coaches better qualified

 

[Get Nasty]

Nasty…

Disruptive blitzer? Marist doesn’t get home enough to be called such. And he has a total of .5 sacks this year. He gets mauled way too often and also chooses the wrong gap at least half the time
Disruptive blitzer? Marist doesn’t get home enough to be called such. And he has a total of .5 sacks this year. He gets mauled way too often and also chooses the wrong gap at least half the time

Marist is best served in space

Disruptive because he blows up rbs I mean absolutely blows up, yes he doesn’t get home but he blows the rb a lot of times into the space of qb causing a rushed throw and or creating inaccurate throw .

has Marist made a tackle in space this year, I can’t remember one? Just because you play in the box you cover side to side


Seriously watch him blitz

 

[Rockne's Rambler]

It must be really, really difficult to say anything negative about an ND player who practices and plays so hard.

 

[BGI User 756]

Disruptive because he blows up rbs I mean absolutely blows up, yes he doesn’t get home but he blows the rb a lot of times into the space of qb causing a rushed throw and or creating inaccurate throw .

has Marist made a tackle in space this year, I can’t remember one? Just because you play in the box you cover side to side


Seriously watch him blitz

I have and will again…don’t think he is disruptive

 

[ftnfan62]

We don't have a stud right now

Junior. Sneed. Zig. Prince. Seems like we have the studs. Just gotta get some reps. All these tight games at home. You can’t take travel spots but home games we should have been cruising at Marshall.

We need a few snoozers to get them time.

 

[Golson5]

Junior. Sneed. Zig. Prince. Seems like we have the studs. Just gotta get some reps. All these tight games at home. You can’t take travel spots but home games we should have been cruising at Marshall.

We need a few snoozers to get them time.

May be studs. Might not be. They haven't done anything yet

 

[IrishBeer]

So you want to intentionally punish the team with a 15 yarder ?

Get one per game. Take someone’s head off every Saturday so every team is scared of us.

 

[Patrirish]

Get one per game. Take someone’s head off every Saturday so every team is scared of us.

It doesn’t work that way, if nothing else the Marshall game should have taught you that

 

[IrishBeer]

It doesn’t work that way, if nothing else the Marshall game should have taught you that

I was 99% joking.

 

[Golson5]

It doesn’t work that way, if nothing else the Marshall game should have taught you that

We haven't lost since Marshall..... that's a joke. But also a true statement

 

[Patrirish]

I was 99% joking.

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