Alabama

[NDinNJ]

They replaced an elite coach with an elite coach. Deboer is a legitimate Top 3 coach.

He's 106 - 12 as a head coach.

Why couldn't ND go after him when Kelly left. Swarbrick got lazy, didn't want perform a coaching search.

 

[sjb75]

They replaced an elite coach with an elite coach. Deboer is a legitimate Top 3 coach. Why couldn't ND go after him when Kelly left. Swarbrick got lazy, didn't want perform a coaching search.

Don't you need to win something to be considered elite?

 

[FightingIrish44]

I don’t think ND fans would have taken too kindly to having a guy with just two years of Group of 5 experience and some NAIA experience as a head coach.

 

[NDinNJ]

Don't you need to win something to be considered elite?

Guarantee you he wins something before Kelly and Freeman

 

[sjb75]

Guarantee you he wins something before Kelly and Freeman

At Alabama? He should.

They have won 6 titles in the last 15 years.

 

[NDinNJ]

I don’t think ND fans would have taken too kindly to having a guy with just two years of Group of 5 experience and some NAIA experience as a head coach.

Seriously? Versus someonewith zero head coaching experience.
Two years in Washington and he had them in the Championship game.

 

[NDinNJ]

At Alabama? He should.

They have won 6 titles in the last 15 years.

That had more to do with the coach.

 

[FightingIrish44]

Seriously? Versus someonewith zero head coaching experience.
Two years in Washington and he had them in the Championship game.

That’s ex post facto. What happened at UW occurred after the Freeman hire. I’d bet people would be pissed with his hire considering his resume.

 

[sjb75]

That had more to do with the coach.

What did the players have to do with Alabama's success?

Anything?

 

[NDinNJ]

What did the players have to do with Alabama's success?

Anything?

What was Alabama's record prior to Saban's arrival? Saban DEVELOPED the players he recruited.

 

[Golson5]

Seriously? Versus someonewith zero head coaching experience.
Two years in Washington and he had them in the Championship game.

That wasn't his resume when Kelly left

 

[NDinNJ]

That wasn't his resume when Kelly left

True, but he was 79-9 as a head coach at Sioux Falls and Fresno State. More accomplished than Freeman when Kelly left.

 

[Golson5]

True, but he was 79-9 as a head coach at Sioux Falls and Fresno State. More accomplished than Freeman when Kelly left.

That was never going to get him this job. No way anyone could put that on Swarbrick

 

[NDinNJ]

That was never going to get him this job. No way anyone could put that on Swarbrick

My point is, Swarbrick took the easy route, let's be honest, he didn't perform a proper search.

 

[FightingIrish44]

True, but he was 79-9 as a head coach at Sioux Falls and Fresno State. More accomplished than Freeman when Kelly left.

Respectfully, I see so much “well about that QB” or “well why not that coach”. It’s almost always based on information after the fact.

Matt Campbell at Iowa State was more qualified/proven than Freeman just based on resume. I’d guess that most would have wanted Freeman over Campbell. What if Campbell then blew up? People would be saying “well why didn’t they get Campbell?!?”.

 

[FightingIrish44]

My point is, Swarbrick took the easy route, let's be honest, he didn't perform a proper search.

Probably right. High risk/high reward type of hire.

 

[Golson5]

My point is, Swarbrick took the easy route, let's be honest, he didn't perform a proper search.

The guy a lot wanted is 9 and 7 at Wisconsin

 

[NDinNJ]

Respectfully, I see so much “well about that QB” or “well why not that coach”. It’s almost always based on information after the fact.

Matt Campbell at Iowa State was more qualified/proven than Freeman just based on resume. I’d guess that most would have wanted Freeman over Campbell. What if Campbell then blew up? People would be saying “well why didn’t they get Campbell?!?”.

I agree hindsight is 20/20. My point is more that there really wasn't a coaching search. They decided on Freeman after 2 days.

 

[NDinNJ]

The guy a lot wanted is 9 and 7 at Wisconsin

Yea, so? Wisconsin is not Notre Dame.

 

[Golson5]

Yea, so? Wisconsin is not Notre Dame.

So him being unsuccessful at his only p4 job is meaningless, okay

 

[NDinNJ]

So him being unsuccessful at his only p4 job is meaningless, okay

and you thought Leonard was a 1st round NFL QB, with a strong arm and accurate. 🤣

 

[THUNDERSTRUCK111]

Seriously? Versus someonewith zero head coaching experience.
Two years in Washington and he had them in the Championship game.

Exactly.

 

[BGI User 756]

They replaced an elite coach with an elite coach. Deboer is a legitimate Top 3 coach.

He's 106 - 12 as a head coach.

Why couldn't ND go after him when Kelly left. Swarbrick got lazy, didn't want perform a coaching search.

DeBoer hadn’t established anything yet then. Was beginning for sure

 

[NDinNJ]

DeBoer hadn’t established anything yet then

He was a combined 79 - 9 between Sioux Falls and Fresno State.

And what had Freeman established as a head coach prior to 2021?

 

[Golson5]

and you thought Leonard was a 1st round NFL QB, with a strong arm and accurate. 🤣

Never said accurate. He does have a strong arm

 

[THUNDERSTRUCK111]

Keep masking our deficiencies

Nice TD though.

 

[Golson5]

He was a combined 79 - 9 between Sioux Falls and Fresno State.

And what had Freeman established as a head coach prior to 2021?

Nd wasn't going to hire him. Just silly 20/20 hindsight

 

[THUNDERSTRUCK111]

Should have done this last week. At least we wouldn’t have been exposed so soon.

 

[sjb75]

Nd wasn't going to hire him. Just silly 20/20 hindsight

X2.

NDNJ has been on an anti ND crusade all week.

 

[ZibbyQuinn]

What was Alabama's record prior to Saban's arrival? Saban DEVELOPED the players he recruited.

What was their recruiting rankings before/after Nick?

 

[wi_hoosier]

The guy a lot wanted is 9 and 7 at Wisconsin

Fickell is still TBD at Bucky... I don't think people really realize how bad Paul Chryst's last 3-4 recruiting classes really were.

 

[FightingIrish44]

Fickell is still TBD at Bucky... I don't think people really realize how bad Paul Chryst's last 3-4 recruiting classes really were.

And they almost beat LSU to finish 8-5 though LSU was missing some key players. Still a decent year 1.

 

[NDinNJ]

What was their recruiting rankings before/after Nick?

Exactly, who is responsible for recruiting and developing those recruits?

 

[NDinNJ]

Nd wasn't going to hire him. Just silly 20/20 hindsight

I'm not saying they should have. They should have done a thorough search, and it was obvious they didn't.

 

[christophero]

That was a statement game winning big at Wisconsin today.

 

[echowaker]

He was a combined 79 - 9 between Sioux Falls and Fresno State.

And what had Freeman established as a head coach prior to 2021?

The same thing Kirby Smart, Dabo Swinney and Bob Stoops had established . None of them were head coaches prior to winning a NC at their respective schools.

 

[echowaker]

I'm not saying they should have. They should have done a thorough search, and it was obvious they didn't.

And you know this how ? That's hindsight and lazy.