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Alabama signed 12 players ranked 28 or higher / ESPN 300

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How many players has ND signed in the top 28 within the last decade, like 3 - 5? Alabama just locked up 12 within the top 28, in a single season. Notre Dame will not win a National Title anytime soon if that's how we plan to compete on the recruiting trail.
 
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How many players has ND signed in the top 28 within the last decade, like 3 - 5? Alabama just locked up 12 within the top 28, in a single season. Notre Dame will not win a National Title anytime soon if that's how we plan to compete on the recruiting trail.
The only team that can compete with that is Georgia

Alabama has recruited better than team in the history of cfb during the Saban era

It sucks
 
The only team that can compete with that is Georgia

Alabama has recruited better than team in the history of cfb during the Saban era

It sucks
If Alabama is recruiting so well and has more talent than anyone, why lose to LSU?
 
Upsets happen in every sport. It's this your first year watching sport?

The talent they aquire gives them a chance to win every single year

6 NCs and 4 other appearances kind of speaks for itself
I was just curious why Brian Kelly would beat a talent laden Alabama team.
 
That is impressive. However, how many of those recruited by Bama did ND offer ? Also, how many had ND as a consideration? This simple fact will never change. ND will never recruit anyone who they feel would not cut it academically. If ND wanted to be Alabama, Georgia or Ohio state, they could do that instantly. With that said , there are plenty of players out there that are excellent football players and very good students. If MF can string together a few more top classes, then in 2-3 years we will see the results. Last years group and this group look very good ( on paper). Still, there is always room for improvement. MF and the coaches are working hard at recruiting. It is starting to pay off and I believe will get even better .
 
they are floating Bonds at Ala. to finance the class!
 
The only team that can compete with that is Georgia

Alabama has recruited better than team in the history of cfb during the Saban era

It sucks
It’s pretty much true and not much we can do about this. It would be one thing if they kept on getting highly rated players who wind up not panning out, something I thought would eventually happen, but most of them seem to and get drafted in the first two rounds which of course continues the cycle making Alabama highly desirable every year. Right now, if you are a five star player and you go to Alabama, you have a pretty good chance of being drafted in the first or second round. The other thing that’s happened is that you could be playing with better players but it still doesn’t matter because the scouts will find your potential and even if you don’t produce they see the talent in you and have a favorable bias of players coming out of Alabama. How many times do you see both set of wide receivers consistently taken in the draft like this?

Hurts, Neal, Metchie, Williams, waddle, Surtain, Devonta, Mac Jones, Harris, Tua, Wills Jr., Ruggs, Jeudy, Raekwon Davis, Quinnen Willams, Davis, Jacobs, Jonah Williams, Irv Smith, Allen, Henry, Fitzpatrick, etc., etc.

Young, Anderson, Gibbs, Moore, Branch, Battle this year.

And not all of these guys were five stars either.
 
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Notre Dame recruited top 5 classes under Weis (three years in a row)
Notre Dame landed bluechip #1 players at their position under Weis
Notre Dame football had a 99% graduation rate (were #1 & #2 traded off with Stanford) during the Weis era
Georgia was recruiting like present Notre Dame before Kirby Smart got there and turned Georgia's recruiting from top 10-15 to top 3

When Kirby Smart took over at Georgia they completely revamped the recruiting department (they poured/invested tons of resources into recruiting, with a recruiting department staffed with 50+ people) THAT is how they started signing perennial top 3 classes. They were out in front of everybody else. Here's a good article on the topic written back in 2017: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...ck-sabans-process-game-changer-050129185.html
A deep dive into Smart’s recruiting infrastructure – his spin on Saban’s fabled “Process” – illuminates just how Smart has nudged Georgia into the highest echelon of college football. The breadth, intensity and sheer numbers in Georgia’s recruiting operation combine with Smart’s maniacal insistency that the recruiting be based on personal touches. There’s nine new full-time employees in Georgia’s football office, most focused on recruiting, being paid more than $500,000 annually to fuel the operation. There’s also a phalanx of more than 60 support staff members, interns and students who have created one of the most vast and sophisticated recruiting ecosystems in college football. “Kirby took it from a Mustang and turned it into a Ferrari,” said Georgia linebacker coach Kevin Sherrer, who worked under Richt.

All of this could have been done at ND with some aggressive funding/foresight/good hires back in 2015.

Notre Dame takes all the money they make from football and then disperse it to a lot of sports nobody gives a F about. This is on top of their archaic/hypocritical policies that they self handicap themselves with.

Point being, none of these problems/areas of deficiency at ND are there because NDs hands are tied by some external forces. ND is doing it to themselves from their own lack of competency.
 
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Notre Dame recruited top 5 classes under Weis (three years in a row)
Notre Dame landed bluechip #1 players at their position under Weis
Notre Dame football had a 99% graduation rate (were #1 & #2 traded off with Stanford) during the Weis era
Georgia was recruiting like present Notre Dame before Kirby Smart got there and turned Georgia's recruiting from top 10-15 to top 3

When Kirby Smart took over at Georgia they completely revamped the recruiting department (ended up pouring tons of resources into scouting and development on a level nobody had seen before) THAT is how they started signing perennial top 3 classes. Here's a good article on the topic written back in 2017: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...ck-sabans-process-game-changer-050129185.html

All of this can be replicated at ND with the right hires and the right budget to match. But none of that is happening at Notre Dame.

Notre Dame lacks investment/budget for the football program exclusively. They take all the money they make from football and then disperse it to a lot of sports nobody gives a F about. This is on top of their archaic/hypocritical policies that they self handicap themselves with.

Notre Dame lacks vision/foresight/etc. they are operated like a newspaper company before the industry went belly up (stubbornly doing things the old way without adjusting to the constantly changing present/future).

Point being, none of these problems/areas of deficiency at ND are there because NDs hands are tied by some external forces. ND is doing it to themselves from lack of competency, lack of foresight, and lack of agility as an organization. AND NOTHING is going to change without change happening all the way at the top of the food chain at ND.

UGA. OSU. Bama. Pick one.
 
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Notre Dame recruited top 5 classes under Weis (three years in a row)
Notre Dame landed bluechip #1 players at their position under Weis
Notre Dame football had a 99% graduation rate (were #1 & #2 traded off with Stanford) during the Weis era
Georgia was recruiting like present Notre Dame before Kirby Smart got there and turned Georgia's recruiting from top 10-15 to top 3

When Kirby Smart took over at Georgia they completely revamped the recruiting department (they poured/invested tons of resources into recruiting, with a recruiting department staffed with hundreds of people) THAT is how they started signing perennial top 3 classes. They were out in front of everybody else. Here's a good article on the topic written back in 2017: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...ck-sabans-process-game-changer-050129185.html

All of this can be replicated at ND with some aggressive funding/foresight/good hires.

Notre Dame takes all the money they make from football and then disperse it to a lot of sports nobody gives a F about. This is on top of their archaic/hypocritical policies that they self handicap themselves with.

Notre Dame lacks vision/foresight/etc. they are operated like a newspaper company before the industry went belly up (stubbornly doing things the old way without adjusting to the constantly changing present/future).

Point being, none of these problems/areas of deficiency at ND are there because NDs hands are tied by some external forces. ND is doing it to themselves from lack of competency, lack of foresight, and lack of agility as an organization.
Every school redistributes money from the football/basketball programs to the other non-profitable athletic programs.

Since you’re critical of ND’s budget/spending, how exactly would you reappropriate the funds ?
 
Every school redistributes money from the football/basketball programs to the other non-profitable athletic programs.

Since you’re critical of ND’s budget/spending, how exactly would you reappropriate the funds ?
For starters, if my football program was earning me revenues ranked in the top 5 in college football every year, I would make sure the amount of money i spent on my football program was ranked in the top 5 every year as well. Does ND have a top 5 budget in anything right now from recruiting, to coaching staff, to facilities, to NIL, etc.?
 
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Notre Dame recruited top 5 classes under Weis (three years in a row)
Notre Dame landed bluechip #1 players at their position under Weis
Notre Dame football had a 99% graduation rate (were #1 & #2 traded off with Stanford) during the Weis era
Georgia was recruiting like present Notre Dame before Kirby Smart got there and turned Georgia's recruiting from top 10-15 to top 3

When Kirby Smart took over at Georgia they completely revamped the recruiting department (they poured/invested tons of resources into recruiting, with a recruiting department staffed with hundreds of people) THAT is how they started signing perennial top 3 classes. They were out in front of everybody else. Here's a good article on the topic written back in 2017: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...ck-sabans-process-game-changer-050129185.html


All of this could have been done at ND with some aggressive funding/foresight/good hires back in 2015.

Notre Dame takes all the money they make from football and then disperse it to a lot of sports nobody gives a F about. This is on top of their archaic/hypocritical policies that they self handicap themselves with.

Point being, none of these problems/areas of deficiency at ND are there because NDs hands are tied by some external forces. ND is doing it to themselves from their own lack of competency.
Those classes were never legit top classes. ND sold back then
 
For starters, if my football program was earning me revenues ranked in the top 5 in college football every year, I would make sure the amount of money i spent on my football program was ranked in the top 5 every year as well. Does ND have a top 5 budget in anything right now from recruiting, to coaching staff, to facilities, to NIL, etc.?
Notre Dame’s budget is available for review.

But you should know that throwing money at a problem doesn’t always fix the problem.

Is getting into an escalating arms/spending race the answer ?
 
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