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ACC Getting Exposed

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Yikes. First we get beat fairly handily, then FSU gets dismantled...now Florida waxing the floor with Virginia.

Perhaps we were a bit overrated this year?
 
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If you watched this team at all, for 5 minutes, you knew they didn't have the fire power or horses to be great. A Sweet 16 birth would have been the pinnacle unless they drew a super favorable draw. Lacked a second option/scorer and athleticism across the board. Good season, this is where I had them falling in my bracket.
 
If you watched this team at all, for 5 minutes, you knew they didn't have the fire power or horses to be great. A Sweet 16 birth would have been the pinnacle unless they drew a super favorable draw. Lacked a second option/scorer and athleticism across the board. Good season, this is where I had them falling in my bracket.

Agreed, they overachieved and had a solid run. UNC, Duke, Louisville are the best of the ACC this year. I did think FSU would do better today but they've been a schizo team all season.
 
Yikes. First we get beat fairly handily, then FSU gets dismantled...now Florida waxing the floor with Virginia.

Perhaps we were a bit overrated this year?

Wake Forest, Virginia Tech , and Miami all lost their games.
 
Yikes. First we get beat fairly handily, then FSU gets dismantled...now Florida waxing the floor with Virginia.

Perhaps we were a bit overrated this year?
Louisville has lost.
I said ND wasn't as good as their record indicated multiple times this season.
But I am clueless ?
No, I just see things before others.
 
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Only 2 ACC teams left in the tourney. Looks like the ACC was over rated this year. Either that, or they wore themselves out beating each other up during the season and ACC tourney.
 
I thought this year was the year to be a conference homer.

Hopefully they're all out tonight.
 
Kinda strange to read Michigan fans gloating about beating an "overrated ACC team". Doesn't that detract from their accomplishment? Never really understood why fans do that.
 
Only 2 ACC teams left in the tourney. Looks like the ACC was over rated this year. Either that, or they wore themselves out beating each other up during the season and ACC tourney.

The tournament is such a random event that I think it's somewhat silly to make broad statements about the power or strength of a conference based on how they performed during the tournament, as opposed to a larger sample size.
 
Louisville has lost.
I said ND wasn't as good as their record indicated multiple times this season.
But I am clueless ?
No, I just see things before others.
Every team except 1 will lose their last game this year ... I just see things before others.
 
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The tournament is such a random event that I think it's somewhat silly to make broad statements about the power or strength of a conference based on how they performed during the tournament, as opposed to a larger sample size.
It's a pretty good indicator though. When there are only intramural matchups, it can be difficult to judge, especially when there is quite a bit of parity and teams are just beating each other up. I think cross-conference matchups are a better measuring stick of the quality of teams, although there are several factors to consider such as how favorable a matchup is (both personnel and style). There is also a chance factor that can muddy the waters because it's a relatively small sample size.

That being said....

When teams aren't just losing but getting blown out...then that is a pretty big revelation that the conference did not live up to it's elite reputation. It sort of explains how a rather ordinary ND team could finish so well in the final conference standings.
 
It's a pretty good indicator though. When there are only intramural matchups, it can be difficult to judge, especially when there is quite a bit of parity and teams are just beating each other up. I think cross-conference matchups are a better measuring stick of the quality of teams, although there are several factors to consider such as how favorable a matchup is (both personnel and style). There is also a chance factor that can muddy the waters because it's a relatively small sample size.

That being said....

When teams aren't just losing but getting blown out...then that is a pretty big revelation that the conference did not live up to it's elite reputation. It sort of explains how a rather ordinary ND team could finish so well in the final conference standings.

Of course inter-conference matchups mean a lot, but the tournament is just a small snapshot of that.

The NCAA Tournament doesn't necessarily tell us the "best" team of the year, or the "best" four teams of the year, or the "best" eight teams of the year.
 
Of course inter-conference matchups mean a lot, but the tournament is just a small snapshot of that.

The NCAA Tournament doesn't necessarily tell us the "best" team of the year, or the "best" four teams of the year, or the "best" eight teams of the year.
I wouldn't argue against any of those points. The beauty of the tourney (and sports in general) is that the best team doesn't always win the championship. It would be extremely boring if the favored team won every time.

I suppose we can speculate what would happen if we rewound the tape and allowed the tourney to play out again. Maybe the ACC would dominate. I'm just going to go based on what is actual evidence though, and it seems to suggest that the ACC was probably overrated this season.

The fact that teams were blown out (3 losses by 20+) plus the fact that even some of the victories were unimpressive squeakers (Virginia vs UNC-Wilimington, ND vs Princeton, FSU vs Florida Gulf Coast) definitely qualifies as a big disappointment for the ACC and the fans of the teams therein.

This is not to suggest Duke or UNC can't win it all and make us forget a lot about these poor performances.
 
I wouldn't argue against any of those points. The beauty of the tourney (and sports in general) is that the best team doesn't always win the championship. It would be extremely boring if the favored team won every time.

I suppose we can speculate what would happen if we rewound the tape and allowed the tourney to play out again. Maybe the ACC would dominate. I'm just going to go based on what is actual evidence though, and it seems to suggest that the ACC was probably overrated this season.

The fact that teams were blown out (3 losses by 20+) plus the fact that even some of the victories were unimpressive squeakers (Virginia vs UNC-Wilimington, ND vs Princeton, FSU vs Florida Gulf Coast) definitely qualifies as a big disappointment for the ACC and the fans of the teams therein.

This is not to suggest Duke or UNC can't win it all and make us forget a lot about these poor performances.
This is very well said ... ACC may have more depth and in the end may also produce the champion, but it's fair to say the conference as a whole has not performed in the tournament that ultimately defines every teams season.
 
I wouldn't argue against any of those points. The beauty of the tourney (and sports in general) is that the best team doesn't always win the championship. It would be extremely boring if the favored team won every time.

I suppose we can speculate what would happen if we rewound the tape and allowed the tourney to play out again. Maybe the ACC would dominate. I'm just going to go based on what is actual evidence though, and it seems to suggest that the ACC was probably overrated this season.

The fact that teams were blown out (3 losses by 20+) plus the fact that even some of the victories were unimpressive squeakers (Virginia vs UNC-Wilimington, ND vs Princeton, FSU vs Florida Gulf Coast) definitely qualifies as a big disappointment for the ACC and the fans of the teams therein.

This is not to suggest Duke or UNC can't win it all and make us forget a lot about these poor performances.
Given that many of the losses, as you described, were blowouts or decisive victories suggests that these games weren't cases of the best team having a subpar outing.
 
depends on how you define conference success ... if ACC goes from 8 in the field of 64 to 2 in the field of 16 to 2 in the final four is that a good showing? Or is that just Duke UNC post season consistency?
 
Only 2 ACC teams left in the tourney. Looks like the ACC was over rated this year. Either that, or they wore themselves out beating each other up during the season and ACC tourney.

The latter....
 
Down goes Dook.

Only (?) ACC team still in the running is UNC.
Yup, and UNC basically won by the skin of their teeth. Hard to believe there was such a poor showing this year from the conference.

A far cry from last season when 6 ACC teams made the Sweet Sixteen, 4 made the Elite Eight, and 2 were in the Final Four.
 
Awwww shucks. Coach K lost. What a shame. Perhaps now he'll stick to basketball and stay out of politics.
 
depends on how you define conference success ... if ACC goes from 8 in the field of 64 to 2 in the field of 16 to 2 in the final four is that a good showing? Or is that just Duke UNC post season consistency?

I actually thought Duke or UNC were going to win it all.

I have huge respect for UVA and was stunned they were dispensed with so easily,

FSU did not surprise me. Louisville surprised me because Mich did not have a lot of points from beyond the arc. I thought that was necessary for them to win.
 
Overhyped ACC again!

Again? Last year the ACC did really well in the tourney. They dominated other than failing to win the title.

But I think they were a little overrated this year. This year the ACC was the best in football though.

The B1G, SEC and PAC 12 have surprisingly done the best this year so far, with 3 Sweet 16 teams each.
 
Again? Last year the ACC did really well in the tourney. They dominated other than failing to win the title.

But I think they were a little overrated this year. This year the ACC was the best in football though.

The B1G, SEC and PAC 12 have surprisingly done the best this year so far, with 3 Sweet 16 teams each.


Bad week for ACC Basketball. Nothing more nothing less. Their history speaks for itself
 
It could be one of several factors this season: Teams like Michigan and South Carolina getting hot all of a sudden, teams are stronger on the whole over last year, or even the ACC tournament could have weaken the teams going into the NCAA Tournament. I'm not a basketball fan and only followed the results on ESPN.com. I almost picked WV over ND but I let my heart overrule my brain.
 
The ACC is a good but not great conference in basketball. To say that they are the best football conference is laughable.

ND does not belong in any part of the ACC.
 
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ACC hoops is much like SEC football. Great conference but always overrated.
 
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