The Big10 would drop the other two Indiana schools if it meant ND would join the conference.
ACC could start to crumble in a few weeks
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Actually, the Big Ten is not accommodating ND. You may have noticed that neither ND nor USC have their annual game scheduled beyond the 2026 season. That is because the Big Ten is not going to disrupt conference scheduling for USC to play an OOC game. The way it has been done for decades, the Big Ten will make the complete conference schedule and then each school fills open dates with OOC opponents. USC had a formal, written agreement with the Pac-12 to schedule the ND-USC game in the manner that it has been played for decades. The Big Ten has no such agreement with USC.
UCLA will no longer get screwed on rivalry weekend. The Bruins will play USC every Turkey weekend starting in 2027. This year they’re stuck with Fresno State while USC plays ND. You domers better get used to playing USC in September every year after 2026.
Michigan State was added in the 1950's before conferences could even negotiate their own media deals. And having 3 teams in Indiana is a lot different then having 2 teams from California. Indiana is a small state with a population of under 7 million people, California has almost 40 million. As far as the east coast schools, those 3 states add about 29 million people to the B1G footprint, it's not even close to the same thing.
True but your analysis ignores the fact that there is little interest in college football west of the Pecos. Ditto New England. The core of college football fans are in the Midwest and the South. People out west simply are not into it like we are in Big Ten/SEC footprints.
The big10 would drop to their knees if ND even gave them a hint they would join the big10.
There's a reason the Big10 added a Notre Dame clause to their media deals.. The only school named in the contracts.
"the Big Ten’s deal includes language that lays out how much additional money — on an annual basis — that trio of networks will pay to the Big Ten if Notre Dame joins the league. The exact figure has not been reported.
The report also says that Notre Dame is the only program outside the Big Ten to be named in the deal."
If you’re Fox and NBC, you’re not going to put clauses in for schools already under media contract with your competitor. But if Florida State was an independent that was already partnered with NBC, you don’t think there’d be a clause for them?
Florida State isn't, and they wouldn't be able to survive as an independent. Your point is irrelevant.
You seem to be avoiding the topic that I cited. Your big Knute Rockne rivalry with USC will be moving to September in 2027.
Yawn! Nothing is confirmed. I bet you the reason the game isn't scheduled beyond 2026, there are most likely negotiations ongoing.
Let's also not forget NBC and Fox will have a say in when that game should be played. If NBC and Fox want an additional prime time game between two rivals in October and November, guess who's going to buckle?
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Most traditions are lame due to tv/media. At least media corporations will preserve this game.
NBC and Fox have say when the game is played after the Big Ten sets up its conference shedule. That 's why the game will henceforth be in September. Sorry Domers, no more USC on Turkey weekend. However, Navy is open that weekend.
I do hope you'll be back on the forum in 2027 when Notre Dame hosts USC in October.
It's all about TV viewers and the revenue they bring, not prestige. Obviously, the Big Ten could have had Stanford and Cal but the conference had already 'captured' the West Coast so there we little to gain by adding them. Yes, ND would certainly enhance viewership, but clearly we're doing OK without them and vice versa.
There are so many Big Ten alumni in Florida that I doubt adding FSU and Miami would move the needle very much. Clemson is out in the middle of nowhere with few TV sets. UVA and UNC probably offer the most but as you know the mid-Atlantic isn't a football hotbed.
If the ACC sticks together, I think ND will stay put. If the ACC implodes, the Irish will need to do something. I still think the Big East would be their best Plan B although it may become difficult for ND to fill up their Oct and Nov schedules with quality opponents.
You underestimate Notre Dame. There is a reason the Big10 added a Notre Dame clause to its media deals. Notre Dame, joining the Big would be a huge windfall in revenue for the Big and they know it. Again, no other school/program was specifically named in the Big's media deals, and those deals were signed prior to USC, Washington, Oregon moving to the Big10.
If it was just a matter of ND enhancing viewership, wouldn't you think they would have then included Washington, USC, Oregon, etc. in that clause? Clearly adding west coast markets would be of greater value than a small private university in the midwest, yet only ND is named in the media deals.
Why do fans of other programs hang out on this site? For what reason?
I would not spend any amount of time on a Michigan, USC, Ohio St., or any opposing CFB website poking at their football program.
Honestly, what is wrong with you? My verbatim quote from above is "Yes, ND would certainly enhance viewership . . . ." Yet you seem to be arguing that I said the opposite. Here, I'll try again:
ND joining the Big Ten would increase conference TV viewers. More college football fans would watch Big Ten football with ND. ND was specifically named in the B1G's media deals because the addition of the Irish would increase media ratings. Comprendo, NDinNJ?
Your loss. You learn all sorts of things on other boards, such as how we are perceived.
Zero loss. I could not care less how Notre Dame, or as you say, "we..." we are perceived.., by opposing fans on other boards.
100% agree. There are only a few people in my life where I care how I'm perceived. No offense, and I hope you feel the same, but I don't even care how I'm perceived on this forum let alone another schools forum. 😂
ND isn’t a full member of the ACC - there’s an agreement to house the other sports in exchange for ND football playing 5 games per year against ACC teams. So ND doesn’t have the same buyout/restrictions that Clemson, FSU, and other full members are facing.
But it’s extremely limited in ND’s case. Amounts to about $13-20M per year. The theoretical increase of moving to the BIG is over $50M per year. We paid more on Weis’ buyout with zero ROI than what we’d owe on the ACC GOR. It’s not a limiting factor for ND like it is FSU or Clemson where it’s $30-40M annually.
You are confusing the exit fee with the GOR.
"In addition to the exit fee, Notre Dame would also need to pay grant of rights fees for its other sports if it left the ACC. This is because every ACC team has signed a Grant of Rights deal with the conference, giving the conference all of their TV broadcast rights through 2036."
"As of July 2022, Notre Dame's exit fee from the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) was estimated to be between $100 million and $350 million:
- $100 million: This is equal to three times the ACC's most recent annual revenue.
- $350 million: This is based on the assumption that Notre Dame would lose 12 years of TV revenue, which could be worth $30 million per year.
The damages should it go to court from everything I’ve read would be limited to ND’s revenue share from the conference for the next 12 years. Depending on which number you believe, that’s $13-20M per year, or exactly what I said. In no case would ND’s exit require paying full boat for ACC revenues for any period because ND is not a full member, doesn’t receive a full share, and the GOR ND gave is significantly restricted. The number is something like $160-240M all-in that ND would be required to pay, BUT the gain annually from joining the BIG as of last fall would far surpass that. The estimated GAIN is something between $35-50M again depending on who you believe. THAT is worth $420-600M to ND over the same GOR period. So from a net position, ND is better off from a cash standpoint leaving the ACC. It’s a no-brainer positive cash situation. The same is NOT true for the full ACC members as their buyouts are much higher and the potential gain not as dramatic.
Do I think it likely ND leaves? Hell no, at least not until FSU, Clemson, and North Carolina have done their work. We’re thrifty - we would get a cut (albeit reduced) of the exit fees they all have to pay, and the market value of the ACC payout would drop dramatically thereby lowering OUR exit fee. The new NBC deal for football makes the revenue gap to the BIG much narrower, so ND can afford to wait and “have our cake and eat it too”. Chess, not checkers.
An adult who does not understand the grant of rights. ND gave the rights to home games (non-football) to the ACC who in turn sold them to ESPN. Theoretically ND could pay the exit fee and leave, but the broadcast rights to home lacrosse would still be held by the ACC and they would not have to pay us a dime. There are no 'damages' unless we are proposing that ND buy them back from the ACC.
Right, there are two legal obligations that must be resolved if ND leaves the ACC - the exit fee and the grant of rights. Paying the exit fee does not resolve the grant of rights and vice versa. Both must be negotiated separately.
And actually, ND has a third legal obstacle if they wish to leave. We are told that part of the contract stipulates that if ND joins a conference prior to 2036, it will be the ACC. We all know ND isn’t joining the Big Ten or SEC, but what if they wanted to go back to the Big East? Does the ACC contract block that?
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