1990 Eastern Conf Finals Pistons vs Bulls

[raulduke_007]

Been watching old playoff series during the Lock down and my here are my thoughts on the 1990 ECF...
Jordan is very lucky he didnt play in today's media enviroment.
Game 1 Jordan starts out strong goes for 29 in 1st half then in 2nd half Joe Dumars absolutely abuses MJ on both ends of the floor. Joey D cooks MJ for 18 in the 3rd Quarter then MJ cried "No mas" & made BJ Armstrong take Dumars the rest of the way. Dumars completely shut MJ down holding him to 5 points in 2nd half. MJ wanted no parts of the high leverage moments.

Game 2 Jordan struggles mightly Dumars once again put the clamps on him & holds MJ to 2-6 from the floor & 8 point in the 1st half... Pistons jump out to a 15 point lead.
3rd Quarter Bulls pull even and have the Pistons on the ropes Jordan has the ball & shoots an air ball...Pistons come down Dumars iso's Jordan and drops a 20ft right in MJ's face. Jordan comes down & proceeds to turn it over. Dumars once again finishes strong for 31 points & a dominate lock down performance against MJ... even with the stat padding when the game is out of hand MJ finishes with a 20.

Games 3 & 4 the refs made sure it was a series as Jordan goes to the line 33 times in the 2 games. Jordan roars back to even the series with 2 straight 40+ performaces

Game 5 once again Joe Dumars out plays MJ on both ends of the floor. He locks him defensively holding MJ to 7-19 for 22 while adding 20 himself hitting clutch shots in the 3rd & 4th 7-14 shooting. Jordan once again comes up really small in the crucial game of the series.

Game 6 hot 3pt from the Bulls shooting led by Craig Hodges propels the Bulls to a game 7.

Game 7 Pistons start out 5-20 Jordan doesnt play well & blows a chance to take a commanding lead in the 1st quarter... still the Bulls hold a 2 point lead & a well rested Jordan starts the 2nd quarter up 2 and proceeds to gag it up going 4-12 as the Pistons run the Bulls off the floor in the 2nd quarter & open up a big lead. Jordan stat pads in the 2nd half but never gets it under single digits.
This caps a 9-26 record against the Bad Boy Pistons and a 0-3 series record. Please tell me again how this guy is better than GOAT James?

 

[benko's army]

Please tell me again how this guy is better than GOAT James?

More championships, more MVP awards, more scoring titles, more all-defense appearances, more finals MVP awards....and he did all this in 13 seasons (James played 17).

 

[ND4Real]

He never lost a finals series. Never went to a game 7 in a finals series.

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

Been watching old playoff series during the Lock down and my here are my thoughts on the 1990 ECF...
Jordan is very lucky he didnt play in today's media enviroment.
Game 1 Jordan starts out strong goes for 29 in 1st half then in 2nd half Joe Dumars absolutely abuses MJ on both ends of the floor. Joey D cooks MJ for 18 in the 3rd Quarter then MJ cried "No mas" & made BJ Armstrong take Dumars the rest of the way. Dumars completely shut MJ down holding him to 5 points in 2nd half. MJ wanted no parts of the high leverage moments.

Game 2 Jordan struggles mightly Dumars once again put the clamps on him & holds MJ to 2-6 from the floor & 8 point in the 1st half... Pistons jump out to a 15 point lead.
3rd Quarter Bulls pull even and have the Pistons on the ropes Jordan has the ball & shoots an air ball...Pistons come down Dumars iso's Jordan and drops a 20ft right in MJ's face. Jordan comes down & proceeds to turn it over. Dumars once again finishes strong for 31 points & a dominate lock down performance against MJ... even with the stat padding when the game is out of hand MJ finishes with a 20.

Games 3 & 4 the refs made sure it was a series as Jordan goes to the line 33 times in the 2 games. Jordan roars back to even the series with 2 straight 40+ performaces

Game 5 once again Joe Dumars out plays MJ on both ends of the floor. He locks him defensively holding MJ to 7-19 for 22 while adding 20 himself hitting clutch shots in the 3rd & 4th 7-14 shooting. Jordan once again comes up really small in the crucial game of the series.

Game 6 hot 3pt from the Bulls shooting led by Craig Hodges propels the Bulls to a game 7.

Game 7 Pistons start out 5-20 Jordan doesnt play well & blows a chance to take a commanding lead in the 1st quarter... still the Bulls hold a 2 point lead & a well rested Jordan starts the 2nd quarter up 2 and proceeds to gag it up going 4-12 as the Pistons run the Bulls off the floor in the 2nd quarter & open up a big lead. Jordan stat pads in the 2nd half but never gets it under single digits.
This caps a 9-26 record against the Bad Boy Pistons and a 0-3 series record. Please tell me again how this guy is better than GOAT James?

MJ said on more than one occasion that Dumars was the toughest defender he played against. And Chuck Daly was a tremendous coach. He successfully devised the so-called "Jordan Rules" to beat MJ and the Bulls in back-to-back ECF, in 6 games in 1989 and in 7 games in 1990. But be honest. The NBA was very different then. The Pistons were ultra aggressive (and many would say dirty) on the defensive end. Hand checking was permitted in those days. Their strategy, which they employed very effectively, was basically to beat up MJ. That would never happen in today's game. Jordan would have gone to the line 35 times a night. With the no hand check rules they play in today's NBA, I don't think it is unrealistic to believe Jordan would have had multiple seasons where he averaged more than 40 ppg.

In the 1991 ECF, after the Bulls had finally perfected Phil Jackson's triangle offense, the Pistons' Jordan Rules tactics didn't work anymore and the Bulls swept the Pistons 4-0. And in one of the most classless and disrespectful acts I ever witnessed in the NBA, after getting swept in the final game the Pistons retreated to the locker room (led by Isiah Thomas and former Domer Bill Laimbeer) instead of shaking hands to congratulate the Bulls when the game was over. Isiah Thomas grew up a Chicago boy, but to this day most Chicago fans won't forgive him for that classless act. (One of the traditions I absolutely love in the NHL is the handshake line the players perform when a playoff series has ended, with the players on the losing team congratulating the winners for a job well done.)

I am a lifelong Bulls fan, but I give the Pistons their due for the run they had in 1989 and 1990. But the facts are that once MJ figured out how to beat the Pistons, he went on to win 6 NBA titles. And but for the terrible personal tragedy that MJ experienced when his father was murdered in 1993, during the middle of that run, and MJ going off to play MLB, you would probably be looking at MJ having won 8 consecutive NBA titles.

I love watching LBJ, but you will never convince me he is the GOAT. He is probably more physically gifted than MJ, but MJ was a stone cold killer on the court.

 

[Golson5]

It's a very close call on who is the GOAT between Jordan and Lebron. Id still have MJ one as of right now but that could change. Lebron is special. If Lebron wins the title this year I may move him to number 1

 

[benko's army]

Jordan's stats for this 7 game series against the Pistons:

32.1 ppg, 7.1 rebounds, 6.3 assists, 2.1 steals. He shot 47% from the field and 87% from the free throw line. All this against one of the best, most physical defensive teams of all time. The team that wrote the Jordan Rules.

 

[Pennick4]

Been watching old playoff series during the Lock down and my here are my thoughts on the 1990 ECF...
Jordan is very lucky he didnt play in today's media enviroment.
Game 1 Jordan starts out strong goes for 29 in 1st half then in 2nd half Joe Dumars absolutely abuses MJ on both ends of the floor. Joey D cooks MJ for 18 in the 3rd Quarter then MJ cried "No mas" & made BJ Armstrong take Dumars the rest of the way. Dumars completely shut MJ down holding him to 5 points in 2nd half. MJ wanted no parts of the high leverage moments.

Game 2 Jordan struggles mightly Dumars once again put the clamps on him & holds MJ to 2-6 from the floor & 8 point in the 1st half... Pistons jump out to a 15 point lead.
3rd Quarter Bulls pull even and have the Pistons on the ropes Jordan has the ball & shoots an air ball...Pistons come down Dumars iso's Jordan and drops a 20ft right in MJ's face. Jordan comes down & proceeds to turn it over. Dumars once again finishes strong for 31 points & a dominate lock down performance against MJ... even with the stat padding when the game is out of hand MJ finishes with a 20.

Games 3 & 4 the refs made sure it was a series as Jordan goes to the line 33 times in the 2 games. Jordan roars back to even the series with 2 straight 40+ performaces

Game 5 once again Joe Dumars out plays MJ on both ends of the floor. He locks him defensively holding MJ to 7-19 for 22 while adding 20 himself hitting clutch shots in the 3rd & 4th 7-14 shooting. Jordan once again comes up really small in the crucial game of the series.

Game 6 hot 3pt from the Bulls shooting led by Craig Hodges propels the Bulls to a game 7.

Game 7 Pistons start out 5-20 Jordan doesnt play well & blows a chance to take a commanding lead in the 1st quarter... still the Bulls hold a 2 point lead & a well rested Jordan starts the 2nd quarter up 2 and proceeds to gag it up going 4-12 as the Pistons run the Bulls off the floor in the 2nd quarter & open up a big lead. Jordan stat pads in the 2nd half but never gets it under single digits.
This caps a 9-26 record against the Bad Boy Pistons and a 0-3 series record. Please tell me again how this guy is better than GOAT James?

Yeah... MJ sucks.. Put down the bong and the cheap booze. James might hang out with goats...

 

[imojo9]

Been watching old playoff series during the Lock down and my here are my thoughts on the 1990 ECF...
Jordan is very lucky he didnt play in today's media enviroment.
Game 1 Jordan starts out strong goes for 29 in 1st half then in 2nd half Joe Dumars absolutely abuses MJ on both ends of the floor. Joey D cooks MJ for 18 in the 3rd Quarter then MJ cried "No mas" & made BJ Armstrong take Dumars the rest of the way. Dumars completely shut MJ down holding him to 5 points in 2nd half. MJ wanted no parts of the high leverage moments.

Game 2 Jordan struggles mightly Dumars once again put the clamps on him & holds MJ to 2-6 from the floor & 8 point in the 1st half... Pistons jump out to a 15 point lead.
3rd Quarter Bulls pull even and have the Pistons on the ropes Jordan has the ball & shoots an air ball...Pistons come down Dumars iso's Jordan and drops a 20ft right in MJ's face. Jordan comes down & proceeds to turn it over. Dumars once again finishes strong for 31 points & a dominate lock down performance against MJ... even with the stat padding when the game is out of hand MJ finishes with a 20.

Games 3 & 4 the refs made sure it was a series as Jordan goes to the line 33 times in the 2 games. Jordan roars back to even the series with 2 straight 40+ performaces

Game 5 once again Joe Dumars out plays MJ on both ends of the floor. He locks him defensively holding MJ to 7-19 for 22 while adding 20 himself hitting clutch shots in the 3rd & 4th 7-14 shooting. Jordan once again comes up really small in the crucial game of the series.

Game 6 hot 3pt from the Bulls shooting led by Craig Hodges propels the Bulls to a game 7.

Game 7 Pistons start out 5-20 Jordan doesnt play well & blows a chance to take a commanding lead in the 1st quarter... still the Bulls hold a 2 point lead & a well rested Jordan starts the 2nd quarter up 2 and proceeds to gag it up going 4-12 as the Pistons run the Bulls off the floor in the 2nd quarter & open up a big lead. Jordan stat pads in the 2nd half but never gets it under single digits.
This caps a 9-26 record against the Bad Boy Pistons and a 0-3 series record. Please tell me again how this guy is better than GOAT James?

 

[imojo9]

6 Championships in 6 attempts is how.

 

[septon34]

Jordan's stats for this 7 game series against the Pistons:

32.1 ppg, 7.1 rebounds, 6.3 assists, 2.1 steals. He shot 47% from the field and 87% from the free throw line. All this against one of the best, most physical defensive teams of all time. The team that wrote the Jordan Rules.

plus they were allowed to handcheck and beat the crap out of him

 

[francade]

There are many more examples of gags from lebron than there are for Jordan. You act as though dumars was a scrub. He was a stud and one of the best two-way guards in the nba at the time. Jordan>James

 

[Golson5]

plus they were allowed to handcheck and beat the crap out of him

You could look at it multiple ways. Players are much more athletic now and longer and have more muscle. There are points to both sides

 

[raulduke_007]

6 Championships in 6 attempts is how.

Finals Opp Rank
#1 GS 2017
#2 GS 2018
#3 GS 2016
#4 GS 2015
#5 SA 2007
#6 SA 2014
#7 OK 2012
#8 SA 2013
#9 UT 1995
#10 Sea 1996
#11 Port 1992
#12 Utah 1998
#13 Mavs 2011
#14 Pho 1993
#15 LA 1991

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

Finals Opp Rank
#1 GS 2017
#2 GS 2018
#3 GS 2016
#4 GS 2015
#5 SA 2007
#6 SA 2014
#7 OK 2012
#8 SA 2013
#9 UT 1995
#10 Sea 1996
#11 Port 1992
#12 Utah 1998
#13 Mavs 2011
#14 Pho 1993
#15 LA 1991

So what? The irrefutable fact is Jordan's Bulls teams were 6-0 in NBA finals. If MJ hadn't lost 2 years of basketball after the murder of his father, we'd almost certainly be looking at 8-0. LBJ is 3-6 in NBA finals. And while we'll never know what the outcome might have been, my money would have been on Jordan to beat every one of those GS teams you list.

 

[Golson5]

So what? The irrefutable fact is Jordan's Bulls teams were 6-0 in NBA finals. If MJ hadn't lost 2 years of basketball after the murder of his father, we'd almost certainly be looking at 8-0. LBJ is 3-6 in NBA finals. And while we'll never know what the outcome might have been, my money would have been on Jordan to beat every one of those GS teams you list.

So what? Competition matters and the level of that competition. Lebron's teams played much better teams. The bulls were never an underdog in the finals. They never played a more talented team than them during their run.

You think Jordan would beat the Durant Curry Klay n Dray team's? No way. He never played a team close to that good

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

So what? Competition matters and the level of that competition. Lebron's teams played much better teams. The bulls were never an underdog in the finals. They never played a more talented team than them during their run.

You think Jordan would beat the Durant Curry Klay n Dray team's? No way. He never played a team close to that good

There isn't a doubt in my mind MJ's teams would have beaten them every time. But I guess that's just fodder for bar room discussion.

Here is what Steve Kerr, the coach of those GS teams, had to say about what it was like to play with MJ:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ulls-stories-ahead-of-documentary/2986534001/

Looking forward to ESPN's The Last Dance.

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

So what? Competition matters and the level of that competition. Lebron's teams played much better teams. The bulls were never an underdog in the finals. They never played a more talented team than them during their run.

You think Jordan would beat the Durant Curry Klay n Dray team's? No way. He never played a team close to that good

BTW, I don't believe your statement that MJ's team was never an underdog in an NBA finals is accurate. I followed those Bulls teams very closely, and I am almost certain the Bulls were underdogs to Charles Barkley's Phoenix Suns team in the 92-93 finals. That year the Bulls were a #2 seed coming out of the Eastern Conference, and the Suns were the #1 seed coming out of the West. My recollection is that oddsmakers thought Barkley and the Suns would take down MJ and the Bulls in the finals.

 

[Golson5]

BTW, I don't believe your statement that MJ's team was never an underdog in an NBA finals is accurate. I followed those Bulls teams very closely, and I am almost certain the Bulls were underdogs to Charles Barkley's Phoenix Suns team in the 92-93 finals. That year the Bulls were a #2 seed coming out of the Eastern Conference, and the Suns were the #1 seed coming out of the West. My recollection is that oddsmakers thought Barkley and the Suns would take down MJ and the Bulls in the finals.

I don't believe they were underdogs in Vegas and I can't find anything on it. That would be a bad look if they were. The Suns only had 1 hall of Famer on the team while the bulls had 2. They took the Bulls to 6 games. GS had 3 or 4 hall of Famers and Durant and Curry are both better "all time" players than Barkley (who was awesome). That just shows how good GS was. Barkley was the best player on a team that took Jordan 6 tough games. He'd be the number 3 on GS. That GS team was insane

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

I don't believe they were underdogs in Vegas and I can't find anything on it. That would be a bad look if they were. The Suns only had 1 hall of Famer on the team while the bulls had 2. They took the Bulls to 6 games. GS had 3 or 4 hall of Famers and Durant and Curry are both better "all time" players than Barkley (who was awesome). That just shows how good GS was. Barkley was the best player on a team that took Jordan 6 tough games. He'd be the number 3 on GS. That GS team was insane

I'm going on memory, but I am pretty sure the Suns were favorites.

Who are GS's HOF players? I'll give you Durant and very likely Curry, but you think Klay Thompson and Draymond Green will be in the HOF? Wow, I don't see that ever happening, though I confess I don't follow NBA HOF voting very closely. And the year GS won 73 games they lost to Cleveland in the NBA finals. They were a great team, but choked the bit up when it mattered.

 

[Golson5]

I'm going on memory, but I am pretty sure the Suns were favorites.

Who are GS's HOF players? I'll give you Durant and very likely Curry, but you think Klay Thompson and Draymond Green will be in the HOF? Wow, I don't see that ever happening, though I confess I don't follow NBA HOF voting very closely. And the year GS won 73 games they lost to Cleveland in the NBA finals. They were a great team, but choked the bit up when it mattered.

The 73 win team didnt have Durant.

Durant and Curry are 1st ballot HOF locks. What do you mean very likely Curry? Curry is an all timer. They are 2 of the top 20 greatest players to ever live. Durant is a top 10 player ever.

Klay is getting in for sure. He'll be close to a lock. Hes only 30 and already a 3x NBA champion. 5x all star. Made an all defensive team and 2x all NBA. He also won a Gold Medal. And is considered one of the top 5 shooters in NBA history, maybe number 2 behind Steph. And hes only 30. Klay will be in HOF.

Thats 3. Draymond will be tougher but he has a case. Hes also only 30. 3x champion. 3x all star. Defensive player of the year 1x. 5x all nba defense. 2x all NBA.

Jordan never played a team in the Finals close to this good.

 

[NDIRISH53]

Just watched 1993 WCF game 5 suns vs Sonics. Barkley played all 48 minutes, posted a 43 point triple double. That man should have been a sixes his whole career!

 

[NDIRISH53]

I'm going on memory, but I am pretty sure the Suns were favorites.

Who are GS's HOF players? I'll give you Durant and very likely Curry, but you think Klay Thompson and Draymond Green will be in the HOF? Wow, I don't see that ever happening, though I confess I don't follow NBA HOF voting very closely. And the year GS won 73 games they lost to Cleveland in the NBA finals. They were a great team, but choked the bit up when it mattered.

I think Klay and Draymond are HOF

 

[NDIRISH53]

Been watching old playoff series during the Lock down and my here are my thoughts on the 1990 ECF...
Jordan is very lucky he didnt play in today's media enviroment.
Game 1 Jordan starts out strong goes for 29 in 1st half then in 2nd half Joe Dumars absolutely abuses MJ on both ends of the floor. Joey D cooks MJ for 18 in the 3rd Quarter then MJ cried "No mas" & made BJ Armstrong take Dumars the rest of the way. Dumars completely shut MJ down holding him to 5 points in 2nd half. MJ wanted no parts of the high leverage moments.

Game 2 Jordan struggles mightly Dumars once again put the clamps on him & holds MJ to 2-6 from the floor & 8 point in the 1st half... Pistons jump out to a 15 point lead.
3rd Quarter Bulls pull even and have the Pistons on the ropes Jordan has the ball & shoots an air ball...Pistons come down Dumars iso's Jordan and drops a 20ft right in MJ's face. Jordan comes down & proceeds to turn it over. Dumars once again finishes strong for 31 points & a dominate lock down performance against MJ... even with the stat padding when the game is out of hand MJ finishes with a 20.

Games 3 & 4 the refs made sure it was a series as Jordan goes to the line 33 times in the 2 games. Jordan roars back to even the series with 2 straight 40+ performaces

Game 5 once again Joe Dumars out plays MJ on both ends of the floor. He locks him defensively holding MJ to 7-19 for 22 while adding 20 himself hitting clutch shots in the 3rd & 4th 7-14 shooting. Jordan once again comes up really small in the crucial game of the series.

Game 6 hot 3pt from the Bulls shooting led by Craig Hodges propels the Bulls to a game 7.

Game 7 Pistons start out 5-20 Jordan doesnt play well & blows a chance to take a commanding lead in the 1st quarter... still the Bulls hold a 2 point lead & a well rested Jordan starts the 2nd quarter up 2 and proceeds to gag it up going 4-12 as the Pistons run the Bulls off the floor in the 2nd quarter & open up a big lead. Jordan stat pads in the 2nd half but never gets it under single digits.
This caps a 9-26 record against the Bad Boy Pistons and a 0-3 series record. Please tell me again how this guy is better than GOAT James?

The difference in MJ’s career accomplishments compared to Lebron’s is a top 10 player of all time. 3 rings, and MVP, a DPOY, 3 finals MVPS, 4 1st team all defense, 9 scoring titles, 3 steal leader titles. That’s the difference between LBJ and MJ.

If let’s say I don’t know Donovan Mitchell or Embiid had those career accomplishments they would be regarded as a top 10 player of all time

 

[Golson5]

The difference in MJ’s career accomplishments compared to Lebron’s is a top 10 player of all time. 3 rings, and MVP, a DPOY, 3 finals MVPS, 4 1st team all defense, 9 scoring titles, 3 steal leader titles. That’s the difference between LBJ and MJ.

If let’s say I don’t know Donovan Mitchell or Embiid had those career accomplishments they would be regarded as a top 10 player of all time

Lebron's career isnt over. Lebron has things over Jordan too. Hes not done yet

 

[NDIRISH53]

Lebron's career isnt over. Lebron has things over Jordan too. Hes not done yet

But he will never catch up. Jordan was the better scorer, better defender too. Only thing LeBron has over him is rebounding. Don’t forget MJ averaged double digit assists at point one season, he was no slouch in regards to playmaking

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

The 73 win team didnt have Durant.

Durant and Curry are 1st ballot HOF locks. What do you mean very likely Curry? Curry is an all timer. They are 2 of the top 20 greatest players to ever live. Durant is a top 10 player ever.

Klay is getting in for sure. He'll be close to a lock. Hes only 30 and already a 3x NBA champion. 5x all star. Made an all defensive team and 2x all NBA. He also won a Gold Medal. And is considered one of the top 5 shooters in NBA history, maybe number 2 behind Steph. And hes only 30. Klay will be in HOF.

Thats 3. Draymond will be tougher but he has a case. Hes also only 30. 3x champion. 3x all star. Defensive player of the year 1x. 5x all nba defense. 2x all NBA.

Jordan never played a team in the Finals close to this good.

I don't agree on Klay Thompson. In my view he is very similar to what Horace Grant was with the Bulls: a very nice complementary player who played on great teams. Horace Grant won 4 NBA titles (3 with the Bulls and 1 with the Lakers) and was selected to the NBA all-defensive team 4 times. But I would never suggest that Grant was HOF material.

Maybe Thompson will make the HOF, but based on what I have seen thus far, he wouldn't get my vote. He is a great shooter to be sure, but he has mostly played the role of being a complementary piece on some great GS teams. Maybe now that Durant is gone he will assume a more prominent role. We'll see.

Draymond Green also compares to Horace Grant. Nice player, but not HOF material.

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

My "very likely" qualifier about Curry making the HOF was off base. He is a lock to make the HOF. Aside from being a great player, a great citizen off the court.

 

[francade]

Draymond green a hall of famer? Wow, that membership has been watered down if that’s the case. No way in hell is he and I’d say klay is a stretch. All the teams Jordan beat would win the titles nowadays, imho.

 

[Golson5]

But he will never catch up. Jordan was the better scorer, better defender too. Only thing LeBron has over him is rebounding. Don’t forget MJ averaged double digit assists at point one season, he was no slouch in regards to playmaking

Lebron is one of the greatest passers of all time. He is a MUCH MUCH better passer than Mike ever thought of being.

Lebron will have more career points assists rebounds steals and blocks than Mike. He might have more right now in all categories.

Lebron was the better all around player

 

[Golson5]

I don't agree on Klay Thompson. In my view he is very similar to what Horace Grant was with the Bulls: a very nice complementary player who played on great teams. Horace Grant won 4 NBA titles (3 with the Bulls and 1 with the Lakers) and was selected to the NBA all-defensive team 4 times. But I would never suggest that Grant was HOF material.

Maybe Thompson will make the HOF, but based on what I have seen thus far, he wouldn't get my vote. He is a great shooter to be sure, but he has mostly played the role of being a complementary piece on some great GS teams. Maybe now that Durant is gone he will assume a more prominent role. We'll see.

Draymond Green also compares to Horace Grant. Nice player, but not HOF material.

Comparing Klay to Horace Grant is ridiculous honestly. Not even a debate. But I'll debunk that nonsense anyway

First Klay was the number 2 on the 15 Championship team. Grant was never a number 2 on any title team

So Klay was a 5x all star. Horace made 1 all star team. Klay made the all NBA twice. Horace never made an all NBA team.

Klays averages 19.5 ppg for his career. Horace averaged 11.2.

We're talking 2 total different abilities here.

Klay compares to Reggie Miller quite favorably. Klay is getting in the HOF. Hes only 30. Horace is not on his level

 

[Golson5]

Draymond green a hall of famer? Wow, that membership has been watered down if that’s the case. No way in hell is he and I’d say klay is a stretch. All the teams Jordan beat would win the titles nowadays, imho.

Most teams would have no chance of winning the title if they played now

 

[Golson5]

I don't agree on Klay Thompson. In my view he is very similar to what Horace Grant was with the Bulls: a very nice complementary player who played on great teams. Horace Grant won 4 NBA titles (3 with the Bulls and 1 with the Lakers) and was selected to the NBA all-defensive team 4 times. But I would never suggest that Grant was HOF material.

Maybe Thompson will make the HOF, but based on what I have seen thus far, he wouldn't get my vote. He is a great shooter to be sure, but he has mostly played the role of being a complementary piece on some great GS teams. Maybe now that Durant is gone he will assume a more prominent role. We'll see.

Draymond Green also compares to Horace Grant. Nice player, but not HOF material.

Draymond and Horace is an actual debate. Draymond did win a DPOY award though and is a better passer. But that's at least a debate. Not Klay

 

[raulduke_007]

I don't agree on Klay Thompson. In my view he is very similar to what Horace Grant was with the Bulls: a very nice complementary player who played on great teams. Horace Grant won 4 NBA titles (3 with the Bulls and 1 with the Lakers) and was selected to the NBA all-defensive team 4 times. But I would never suggest that Grant was HOF material.

Maybe Thompson will make the HOF, but based on what I have seen thus far, he wouldn't get my vote. He is a great shooter to be sure, but he has mostly played the role of being a complementary piece on some great GS teams. Maybe now that Durant is gone he will assume a more prominent role. We'll see.

Draymond Green also compares to Horace Grant. Nice player, but not HOF material.

Comparing Horace Grant to Klay Thompson disqualifies you from any rational bball discussion.

 

[Golson5]

Comparing Horace Grant to Klay Thompson disqualifies you from any rational bball discussion.

Truth

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

Comparing Horace Grant to Klay Thompson disqualifies you from any rational bball discussion.

And you and @Golson5 are the font of all basketball knowledge? You are entitled to your opinions. I have probably watched in excess of 2,000 NBA games and attended close to 100 or more in person, and am not as impressed with Klay Thompson as you guys evidently are. Read what I wrote. I didn't try to make a case that Horace was a better player than Klay. I said he played a role comparable to Horace, i.e., a complementary piece on great teams. He may have been the #2 before KD arrived, but afterwards was a clear #3. Nice player yes. He may end up in the HOF, but no way he is a sure thing. If the two of you think Klay is clear HOF material, you don't know much about basketball.

 

[Golson5]

And you and @Golson5 are the font of all basketball knowledge? You are entitled to your opinions. I have probably watched in excess of 2,000 NBA games and attended close to 100 or more in person, and am not as impressed with Klay Thompson as you guys evidently are. Read what I wrote. I didn't try to make a case that Horace was a better player than Klay. I said he played a role comparable to Horace, i.e., a complementary piece on great teams. He may have been the #2 before KD arrived, but afterwards was a clear #3. Nice player yes. He may end up in the HOF, but no way he is a sure thing. If the two of you think Klay is clear HOF material, you don't know much about basketball.

He has a great case right now and like I said, hes only 30 years old. He has 5 more years. Their roles werent similar. It was a bad comp. I dont know how much you know about bball but that singular thing was a bad take.

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

He has a great case right now and like I said, hes only 30 years old. He has 5 more years. Their roles werent similar. It was a bad comp. I dont know how much you know about bball but that singular thing was a bad take.

You are still misinterpreting what I said. I didn't say Horace and Klay played similar roles on their respective teams. Horace was a rebounder and defender. Klay is a scorer, and an elite one when he gets it going. So they played different roles on their teams. But Horace was a clear #3 to MJ and Pippen, just as Klay was a clear #3 to Curry and KD when KD was with GS. That is the comparison I was making. I will grant you that Klay was the #2 guy before KD got there.

 

[francade]

That’s your opinion, golson. I think all of those teams can beat anyone now. I also don’t think lebron is a “way way better passer” if at all. Klay is borderline, draymond, no shot at HOF. Jmo

 

[francade]

I don’t see a huge problem w/ the Horace/klay comparison either. Obviously totally different players at totally different positions but definitely comparable.

 

[Golson5]

I don’t see a huge problem w/ the Horace/klay comparison either. Obviously totally different players at totally different positions but definitely comparable.

Makes no sense. Not comparable at all