Actually Title IX protects the Liberties if people. It gets attention from what you are referring to, but it’s purpose is to protect Liberties of people.
This is the textbook definition of Title IX.
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Actually Title IX protects the Liberties if people. It gets attention from what you are referring to, but it’s purpose is to protect Liberties of people.
This is the textbook definition of Title IX.
She didn't want him fired in 2009. She was fine with his being fired in 2015 when she told anyone and everyone. Urban ignored her as a favor to Earl Bruce. Bruce died recently which made Smith expendable.
Did she actually go to Meyer and make this report?
It is specific in context of schools/education. Its goal is to protect the liberties of people based on gender from discrimination and/or limitation to access of rights/education. The victim doesn't fit within that context.
Ok? Media has focused on all of those stories pretty in depth once the facts came to light.
No it’s not.
Have you heard of Baylor?
Rape, domestic violence, etc., at a University fall with Title IX. And when a health care professional who works for the University (Urban’s wife) is notified, then it goes to a whole different level.
WOWOWOWOW... this is really weird victim blaming. She hasn't filed a lawsuit. She didn't make this public, the only reason it became public was that she went through the Court system recently and got a protective order, making it public record. That led to the husband's firing after the facts became public. The reports also show she contacted the police on multiple occasions but didn't press charges.
To say that an abuse victim cannot after the fact claim abuse or justice because they didn't press charges in the moment is just mind boggling with the information out there regarding the psychology of abuse. There is also a ton of actual evidence documenting that in this case the victim (she is definitely a victim) reached out to people making them aware of the situation where as Hardwick is an outcry without support (doesn't mean it didn't happen, just that there isn't proof out there like this case)...
Be better then that Perse.
All of that happened with victims who were students. The basis for their Title IX claims is that by covering up the crimes/enabling the crimes/not investigating the crimes, the school negatively harmed their rights to access a safe environment at the school.
what would be the chain of reporting for a Unive4sity health care professional at a university (I doubt it is tell the football coach). There must be an outlined definative reporting chain. Was that chain informed.
And none of this matters if the accusor or her informed family and friends notify the legal authorities.
Who knew what, when did they know, what action was taken. That includes the victim.
And none of this matters if the accusor or her informed family and friends notify the legal authorities.
Who knew what, when did they know, what action was taken. That includes the victim.
And so does she. It least your honest about it.
If the police and family, lawyer and friends all knew and did nothing, and she did not directly confront UM, how the hell does the buck stop with Meyer. If she was not aggresively trying to get legal and professional help in the proper channels why is she laying this on Meyer? Why did no one closer to her intervene! Why the free pass for them?
What is her current motivation?
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I thank God every day when I hear myself talk.....that I do not sound like people like you.
Notice he did not answer your question. He is too busy victim blaming and defending Urban.
Most people that victim blame have produced victims.....just saying.
You’re spot on. Smith was a walk-on player for Meyer @BGSU too. This runs really deep. Dan Wetzel of Yahoo is calling for Urban to be fired. Get your popcorn folks.
That ‘blaming the victim’ stategy to garner support ain’t gonna make anything fact or true; nor will it alter the truth.
I bet you would be attacking anyone that defended those proclaiming innocence or asking for more facts about the situation in the Tawana Brawley case. You probably were out there in front with a rope!
And then?
I bet you would be attacking anyone that defended those proclaiming innocence or asking for more facts about the situation in the Tawana Brawley case. You probably were out there in front with a rope!
And then?
And justified’s first post was of a nature that made it seem he/she didn’t want to talk about this on our board. He/she is really chatty about this topic suddenly.
This thread is a perfect example of the obstacles that a victim of abuse or rape is up against. You are doubted at every step. Up in Ingham Country victims of alleged violence by MSU athletes were actively discouraged from pressing charges. What are you supposed to do? If you go forward the authorities have made it clear they will not support you and you put yourself on an island. Worse there is the humiliation of being called the W word and implied you are some kind of trash and than those who you accuse get away with it. In most cases of rape and domestic abuse the bad guy gets away with it. So lets cut the accuser some slack as its hard enough as it is.
In terms of what happens that is up to the school and the level of integrity they want to live with. There is no law against lying to the media. OSU will just have to decide what their priorities are. They can choose to be SEC north or they can be a public university with some kind of standard.
My personal take is OSU will do the deflect thing. They were ready to stick with Tressel until it became obvious he had violated unavoidable NCAA violations. Urban Meyer may have an uncomfortable period, but OSU fans priority is winning over any ethical issues. But at least it will be clear that the patina of illusion that OSU was trying to present themselves as an upstanding institution is gone.
In terms of what happens that is up to the school and the level of integrity they want to live with. There is no law against lying to the media. OSU will just have to decide what their priorities are. They can choose to be SEC north or they can be a public university with some kind of standard.
My personal take is OSU will do the deflect thing. They were ready to stick with Tressel until it became obvious he had violated unavoidable NCAA violations. Urban Meyer may have an uncomfortable period, but OSU fans priority is winning over any ethical issues. But at least it will be clear that the patina of illusion that OSU was trying to present themselves as an upstanding institution is gone.
Down here in my area of Ohio I have heard from folks I believe have good sources that some OSU power brokers don't think urban will or should survive this. The other rumor is Schiano may be moving to the big office on an interim basis.
Have you even read the story? She when and got a 5 year protective order. How is that not getting legal help? She is in counseling and before she filed for divorce got her abuser to go it to counseling. How is that not professional help? This is a story because Urban Meyer lied about his knowledge of it. She wasn't going to the press trying to get him fired. LOL... sorry your dream daddy looks like a **** up on this.
This doesn't make half of the sense you think it does. You are the one saying that its the victim's fault she didn't do more sooner. You are also the one saying that her story lacks credibility because you think she is being motivated by money even though there is nothing to suggest that.
What we know is that, the victims families (his and hers) knew. Close friends and associates knew.
The police knew. Apparently lawyers knew. And of course the victim experienced this for almost a decade.
Meyer is said to have known. Even the victim has not said for fact she knew he knew. She herself never communicated nor confided in him directly. She is a grown up, not a child (for Echo).
So many people knew, why did no one intercede? How did UM gain ownership?
The problem for UM is that he did not acknowledge he knew something that was public knowledge in the program circles. Was he protecting their privacy? That makes this vastly different than PSU.
Authorities, family friends all were advised and everyone knew. So who among them acted?
“Koffel said Wednesday that Smith never informed Meyer about the criminal-trespass charge even after Koffel told Smith to do so.”
The police knew. Apparently lawyers knew. And of course the victim experienced this for almost a decade.
Meyer is said to have known. Even the victim has not said for fact she knew he knew. She herself never communicated nor confided in him directly. She is a grown up, not a child (for Echo).
So many people knew, why did no one intercede? How did UM gain ownership?
The problem for UM is that he did not acknowledge he knew something that was public knowledge in the program circles. Was he protecting their privacy? That makes this vastly different than PSU.
Authorities, family friends all were advised and everyone knew. So who among them acted?
“Koffel said Wednesday that Smith never informed Meyer about the criminal-trespass charge even after Koffel told Smith to do so.”
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Its reported that there is confirmation Meyer actually did know about it and suggested that they get counseling as they were a young couple going through things. Even if you make the argument that there is no proof Meyer knew about that is a bad one to make b/c 1. He sent confidants down from Ohio to meet with her in Florida to get her to drop charges and 2. There are multiple people stating unsolicited, with no reason to lie, that Meyer was conflicted and didn't know what to do.
Why is there such a desire to defend Meyer here. At best he knew about it and did nothing because he felt it was a private issue knowing that a woman and two little kids were being harmed, at worst he is culpable from an ethical standpoint for enabling the abuser to continue his behavior without stopping him because he prioritized continuity in his staff over winning. If Meyer did not lie about this he wouldn't be here.
Just in... Urban is having heart issues .
"Text messages exchanged between Courtney and other wives of Ohio State football staff members, including Shelley Meyer, the wife of Urban, show widespread knowledge of the abuse Courtney was suffering at the hands of Zach, according to McMurphy’s reporting, which also included images of a bruised Courtney.
Among the exchanges in McMurphy’s report is a Nov. 5, 2015, conversation between Courtney and Lindsey Voltolini, the wife of Brian Voltolini, OSU’s director of football operations and a longtime colleague of Meyer. The exchange makes it seem that Meyer was aware of a 2015 incident where Courtney accused Zach of domestic violence.
Courtney: “(Zach’s) trying to make me look crazy bc that’s what Shelley is saying (he’s doing)”
Lindsey: “He (Urban) just said he (Zach) denied everything”
Courtney: “I hope urban is smarter than that”
Lindsey: “He (Urban) doesn’t know what to think”
Courtney: “I don’t really care. Ya know”
Lindsey: “Yeah, don’t worry about urb”
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ohio...eyer-paid-administrative-leave-221320520.html
So, what about the others? Dir of Football operations? Family? Friends? other coaches?
The fact is, and it is the only fact we really know, is that everyone knew the police had been involved.
How did the parents act?
The knowledge that the was a police involvment may be the reason that they felt it should be delt with exactly as a domestic dispute.
As for Meyer, no one has confirmed, “hey, I went to Meyer and...”. Apperantley what Meyer got was that there was a police involvement at some point. The wife claims that her husband denied it to UM. But the husbands lawyer stated the husband did not tell UM of the disturbance, in spite of advice to do so.
She has confirmed she never addressed Meyer. She seems clearly uncertain whether UM’s wife ever went to him. Just a hunch, I think his wife tried to keep him out of it. That would have been an error of judgement.
If the wife would have approached Meyer or if the police informed Meyer then it would be a different perspective.
ND fans want to think the worst and want the worst to happen to Meyer. It might well be that Meyer did not actual know what he knew; that is what the depth of the problem was. No one went directly went to him.
Of course he knew just like he did in 2009. Your arguments are really ridiculous. Meyer knew and compounded things by lying about it last week.
