Thanks for your efforts Sam but honestly better to let Minchey and Angeli get the reps and play.
Sam Hartman - Opting out of Sun Bowl
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Another reason these extra practices are important for the younger players aiming toward next year. The results of bowl games becomes unimportant.
Bowl games are always 'unimportant'. A fun exhibition game and nothing more...
This is the impact of crap coaching, leading to crap losses, leading to a crap bowl, vs a crap opponent.
This is what happens when you have to start tosh baker(terrible) at LT and Wagner (not ready) at RT
This is what happens when you lose your 3 wrs with the most snaps played this season
Honestly, i'm shocked he was going to play in any bowl game that wasn't CFP, but I guess a game vs LSU as was expected would have been big enough.
Freeman has failed 2 years in a row coaching. He's doing a phenomenal job building the roster on paper through recruiting HS and portal, but can't get a full quality staff, and he can't coach. If we're not 10-2 or better and in CFP with our easy schedule next year, he has to be gone!
This is what happens when you have to start tosh baker(terrible) at LT and Wagner (not ready) at RT
This is what happens when you lose your 3 wrs with the most snaps played this season
Honestly, i'm shocked he was going to play in any bowl game that wasn't CFP, but I guess a game vs LSU as was expected would have been big enough.
Freeman has failed 2 years in a row coaching. He's doing a phenomenal job building the roster on paper through recruiting HS and portal, but can't get a full quality staff, and he can't coach. If we're not 10-2 or better and in CFP with our easy schedule next year, he has to be gone!
I’d love to see us win this game. Fwiw (maybe nothing), I’d like to go into the spring and summer w some momentum.
We all should be for this. This isn’t a playoff game and Sam Hartman’s not going to be on the roaster in ‘24. Chances are that Angeli or Minchey are backing up Riley Leonard next season and can use these practices to compete for that chance. Lastly I read that CJ Carr would be able to join the program on December 16th. Idk if that’s true though. Obviously he can’t play in the bowl but maybe he can sit in on meeting, etc.
And it would be nice to get to 10 wins.
I’m disappointed that he’s not playing. He made a ton of money at ND and captured a TON of national recognition. I feel like he owed the school and the program the bowl game. ND really made Sam one of the faces of college football. The return that Sam gave ND was pretty underwhelming.
9 wins. 3 losses. A ton of hype. Sam looked super “cool” all year long, and now…..4 months later, it’s over.
I know my sentiment is not popular. I’ll take some heat here for this post. That’s OK, have at it. It’s not personal w me.
Let’s develop Carr and Deuce and Minchey, and figure out how to get guys who want to be here several years and will be invested in the program.
9 wins. 3 losses. A ton of hype. Sam looked super “cool” all year long, and now…..4 months later, it’s over.
I know my sentiment is not popular. I’ll take some heat here for this post. That’s OK, have at it. It’s not personal w me.
Let’s develop Carr and Deuce and Minchey, and figure out how to get guys who want to be here several years and will be invested in the program.
I called this a month ago. Sam has fulfilled his contract. Nobody works for free.
We'll still win the game. And we need to win the game
I couldn't agree more. The TV cameras love "a face" to attach to a program, and I guess that was Hartman's main value. I expected him to play much better than he did. Some of that was obviously inexperienced wide receivers and some was obviously a new, inexperienced OC, but some of it was Sam, too.
Maybe don't support a crap coach, until the coach proves to at least have common sense with football
There's just no reason for him to play with literally our entire second string offense other than coogan. Maybe Thomas starts and that would be two starters.
No reason for Hartman to pretty much be our only first string player to play on offense.
We aren't in the CFP due to Freeman and Parker. Hartman doesn't owe anyone anything, Freeman and parker made a ton of money failing more than Sam did this year.
We have a good coach. He needs to get better but we have a good coach
Craig and Schrauth started the last 2 games. Theyvare starters he is used to. Coogan as well.
Price Love Payne Faison Thomas Greathouse Raridon all played a ton of snaps and guys he is used to
I disagree, bowl games are the first game of the next season, not the last game of the current season.
Sam Hartman made a decision that is best for him. Zero problem with Hartman opting out.
not talking all aspects of being a CEO, i'm talking about flat out coaching football on the field after the roster has been developed (he's doing great there).
The only way anyone can say he's good is if you combine recruiting with coaching..... recruiting great + bad coaching = maybe good
Doesn’t really make sense to me. He’s not going to be anywhere near a top pick. Forget the part about owing it to your teammates and fans, wouldn’t he enjoy playing in and winning his last college football game? And risking what, an outside chance at getting hurt and losing his chance at a practice squad spot?
Only thomas and Coogan are first string, of course other people have played, of course other people have started (due to injury)
ND should be doing what bama did last year and find him $200k to play in this game
This win is important, if anyone says otherwise it's a lie
Hell no. F that.
If he doesn’t want “in”, then we’ll find someone else. I’d hate if we paid him to come back for 1 game. That’s soft.
I guess. But what is the upside to not playing? Injury, I suppose? If that was the case, then why play vs Stanford and Wake?
Tough guys…..competitors…..they want to be on the field battling. Hartman would have a hard time convincing me that sitting out this game is the best move.
Have to love this forum. Hartman's lousy, give the younger guys playing time. Hartman should be playing to give us the best chance to win, who cares about the younger guys getting playing time in non-garbage time. You can't have it both ways. If Hartman wants to opt out, his heart isn't in the game anyways. Just like I wanted to see what Buchner could do in last year's bowl game, I want to see both Angeli and Minchey get some experience in this game.
I guess Joe Alt, Blake Fisher, and Audric Estime are not "...tough guys..." as well.
All opted out.
It could be a double edge sword. Maybe Minchey outplays Angeli (which I suspect the staff already knows), Angeli transfers and the QB grad transfers doesn't materialize (another school could threw big money and pull the grand transfer way). Then we are down to 2 scholarship QBs. It is possible the staff doesn't want the fans to see it happen as it would provide more incentive for Angeli to transfer.
Hartman has nowhere near the NFL potential of Smith, and plays a less physical position. Also, even with the worst case happening to him Smith still had a decent nfl career.
He’s going to be a top 10 pick, not a borderline 3rd stringer. I still don’t love it and part of me feels they all owe it to their team and fans and should play, but I at least understand it from his perspective. Hartman in my eyes is giving up the chance to end his long college career on a great note, in order to preserve the outside chance he becomes a 3rd string QB for a few years.
