It’s Over
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He was playing decently against FSU until he got knocked out in the 3rd quarter. The game was still close then (may have been tied). Then after he went out, FSU blew them out from there.
Yeah that was impressive because he wasn't even healthy and you can see thr difference with him and without him for Duke.
They were a bad team without him this year
Right now, Angeli's the backup. And he looked very capable in the bowl game. So between him and Minchey, I think we'll be okay if Leonard goes down.
I wouldn't say bad; definitely not nearly as good, though. They still had a quality defense.
I see him on par with Josh Allen. IF he realizes his potential. Very similar skill sets.
Leonard's talented, but I wouldn't go that far. Allen's 6'5, 240 and has a rifle arm. He has one of the strongest arms in the NFL. I can't think of anyone with a stronger arm right now.
You can't be serious. The two skill sets between Josh Allen and Riley Leonard are not similar. Josh Allen threw//throws the football far better.
Define "elite." Every rating I've seen has Howard over Riley Leanord including this one - 247's. BTW, look who's #1 in the QB rating. Still think ND won that one ?
Yes. Easily honestly. He's much more talented.Define "elite." Every rating I've seen has Howard over Riley Leanord including this one - 247's. BTW, look who's #1 in the QB rating. Still think ND won that one ?
The only reason he's that low is because he got injured and his numbers weren't that good
Howard is not that great
Well, 3 of the best QB evaluators in CF - Lincoln Riley, Ryan Day and Lanning (Oregon) - were after Howard hard until he committed to OSU. So you know more than they do about QB evaluation?
The rumors were that ND chose Leonard over Howard. Leonard's definitely a better runner, but Howard might be a more polished passer at this point.
Oh God here we go lol.
First of all, Day went after Leonard and about 2 other QBs before they settled on Howard. So come on, at least know the whole story before yapping
Second, Riley committed early and he was a lock to ND and had a do not contact on his name in the transfer portal.
He knew the few schools he wanted to talk to and it was almost a lock ge was coming to ND
So your comment was silly
Third, since when was Dan Lanning, a defensive guy, one of the best evaluators of QBs in cfb??? WHAT LOL
lol. What? They have a kid that’s never played a college down ahead of Dante Moore, Riley Leonard, Dillon Gabriel and others? Talk about a loss of credibility!Define "elite." Every rating I've seen has Howard over Riley Leanord including this one - 247's. BTW, look who's #1 in the QB rating. Still think ND won that one ?
I didnt look at that list til nowDefine "elite." Every rating I've seen has Howard over Riley Leanord including this one - 247's. BTW, look who's #1 in the QB rating. Still think ND won that one ?
Yikes, it is poor. And thats not even including Riley Leonard
Awful list
Try MY lifetime. I may be looking at SINGLE DIGITS if I'm not there already.
That's a TIGHT WINDOW on the back of 36 years, not to mention the challenges of the current environment.
Never say never, but I stopped holding my breath almost TWENTY YEARS AGO.
All I expect, these days, is an OCCASIONAL QUALITY WIN.
As we both know, Notre Dame has an inherent handicap due to its academic standards.
it would take an exceptional, talent pool, and an exceptional coach and coaching staff to win a national championship
But, hope springs eternal and 10 win seasons are a good start
Which elite quarterback took his team to a championship without superior receivers and running backs? I don't care how elite the quarterback is if his weapons aren't top shelf. Basically, your roster has to be superior, top to bottom. The usual 4 or 5 teams at the top know this...and practice it routinely.
Ratings....LOL! Some of these are subjective based on what they were rated in hS. Moore went from a 5 star to a 4 star. So he's 'rated" higher but the trend isn't. The kid from Utah is garbage. Won't even beat out the Paivia kid from NMSU. But he's "rated" higher.Define "elite." Every rating I've seen has Howard over Riley Leanord including this one - 247's. BTW, look who's #1 in the QB rating. Still think ND won that one ?
Not arguing, all of these ratings are subjective but so is calling Riley Leanord "elite" and better than that OSU QB from the portal as was the case with an earlier post. My point is that OSU (and USC-Oregon) went after him hard and there must have been a reason. Not saying that Leanord won't be very good, but let's just wait and see before annointing him "elite" before he even takes a snap
Disagree. Michigan did just fine and we out-recruited them most years. They just hire well.
If you knew or how to read, you would’ve seen that I already referenced hiring
However, that doesn’t discount the fact that Notre Dame has an inherent disadvantage created by theor academic standards, which are higher than Michigan’s
ND also lost to far less talented teams over the last 15-20 years. That's coaching and preparation.
When Brian Kelly left Notre Dame, he owned the longest winning streak in CFB against teams outside the top 25.
I am certain there is a narrative to refute or downgrade that fact.
Please prove that, show me that article because that's a result that can be taken one of two ways.
Please let's not forget in 2016 alone they lost to unranked:
Duke
NC State
Stanford
Navy
Virginia Tech
Brian Kelly coached 5 seasons after 2016. Brian Kelly owned the longest winning streak in the nation against teams outside the top 25 when he left for LSU. I counted 44 straight wins from 2017 through 2021.
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lol, that tells me Brian Kelly was the beneficiary of the easiest/softest schedules in the history of Notre Dame football. ND literally averaged 8.8 games per year vs unranked opponents. Not exactly an accomplishment to be proud of for a program like Notre Dame.
Thank you for proving what I've always stated about that 5 year run.,
ND---You gotta win a lot of games to play in big games. That's the way CFB works.
If you believe that 44 consecutive wins against teams outside the top 25 is easy, well, we simply disagree.
Kelly was 12-9 vs top 25 teams, but when you look at his record against the top 5 and top 10, it's far from impressive. In fact it's atrocious, he was 2-9 during that stretch vs top 10 teams and I'm including top 10 at the time they played.
Some on this forum claim Kelly is as good as Holtz. Holtz record vs top 5 and top 10 teams was very impressive and is far better than Kelly's record vs the top 25.
I have never read anyone say Brian Kelly is better than Lou Holtz. Ever. That said, Holtz coached in a different era, early on he was allowed to bring in SEC level students to play football.
When the academic clamps were placed on Lou by Monk Malloy, like they are today, Holtz won loss record was far different in 1994-1996 than 1988-1993. That's why Holtz resigned.
