I understand your expectations and I share your desire to win, but there’s a unique reality that you’re ignoring ……. and that’s the chasm that separates the academic standards that exist between ND and Alabama, Georgia and OSU
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No argument.
But do you honestly think that ND PRIORITIZES football the way Alabama does? ND could do tomorrow what Bama did when Saban came aboard, no question. It certainly has the RESOURCES. Trouble is, IT DOESN'T WISH TO.
And I would argue that with less than an Alabama type commitment, it's VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE for ND to get Alabama results. And/or to avoid upsets. As I mentioned elsewhere, with the portal and NIL, there's more parity than ever at the second level.
Consider Marshall. The guy who TORCHED ND in that game was the FIVE-STAR running back who transferred in. He wasn't your standard Marshall RB of the past. But he did just as much damage in a Marshall uniform as some of those USC tailbacks of the 60's and 70's wearing CARDINAL AND GOLD.
Can ND at some point beat the better teams on a ONE-OFF basis here and there? Sure. But to dominate the sport as Alabama does now and ND did in the 1940's is CURRENTLY OUT OF REACH.
An NC could happen, given the right combination of fortuitous circumstances and RAW LUCK, but to DOMINATE takes the HIGHEST PRIORITIZING.
You think that's what matters to the people who run ND?
I can't see it.
I think that argument is out dated my friend.
CJ Stroud is a very smart young man. He easily could have gotten into ND.
Bryce Young graduated HS with honors. He also could have gotten into ND,
Do you really believe the ND roster is filled with Rhodes Scholars???
Cj stroud very smart.... come on bro. You have never heard him talk before in your life obviously.
He also had the lowest wonderlic score of any QB, 18%. Out of 100
You really don't have a freaking clue. Great qb, not the brightest individual I've ever hard speak. Not at all
It’s not an outdated argument, it’s a current reality.
By the way, you only named two QB’s, what about the other 83 players ?
On all of the pre-season All-American lists only two (2) ND players were listed in the first four (4) Teams, Alt and Morrison, so where is the loaded NFL talent ?
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Pat- it’s not terribly unrealistic:
Win the games you’re supposed to win, then win 1 of the 3 tough ones. ND and Freeman should be able to do that.
Mike, Many’s the slip between the cup and the lip.
In recent years we’ve lost a number of games that we were supposed to win.
Winning isn’t easy.
Time will tell !
I’m with you Pat.
“Winning isn’t easy”……I agree 100%.
I have high hopes for this group. MF was forced to learn in the job in 22.
I think this is a 10-win team, with 11 or even 12 there for the taking.
There also chasms that separate ND from Duke, Louisville, Pitt and everybody on the schedule besides the big 3.
I only named 2 but I can name more if you want to go down that road.
What players did ND want to offer but they couldn’t based off of grades???
Are you actually saying ND is not loaded with NFL talent?
since when did a 3.0 get you into ND... because that is what CJ Stroud had... and this ND team is different.. loaded... and will not lie down for any team this year..
Hmmm.. I didn't know a 3.28 got you honors in highschool either.. unless you meant honorable mention!!!
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Yes, and please go down that road.
NFL talent would manifest itself by being named in All-American team selections and ND only produced two players, hence, as of today, I don’t see where ND is “loaded” with NFL talent. I’m hoping that you can convince me otherwise !
The test was created in 1939 by Eldon F. Wonderlic. It consists of 50 multiple choice questions to be answered in 12 minutes.
Average score in the NFL by position
The Wonderlic test is used in the NFL Scouting Combine. Paul Brown introduced the test to the league in the late 1960s.[34] According to Paul Zimmerman's The New Thinking Man's Guide to Pro Football,[35] the average score of an NFL player by position as of 1984 was:- Offensive tackle – 26
- Center – 25
- Quarterback – 24
- Guard – 23
- Tight end – 22
- Safety – 19
- Linebacker – 19
- Cornerback – 18
- Wide receiver – 17
- Fullback – 17
- Halfback – 16
This is a new test. Bryce Young got a 98
Stroud got an 18. He was the lowest qb in this year's draft
The internet tell you that???? Lol
Do you really think a “kids” gpa will be made public???
Elite DL is the number one requirement to be a NC contender. That's where the acadademic requirements will continue to impede ND. I'd hazard to guess Elite DL and Elite Academics are not plentiful.
It’s not just admissions stopping elite kids either. Justin Scott is a great example. Offered by ND, from Chicago and a Catholic high school at that.
It’s hard for a lot of fans to accept this generation of high school players just don’t want to go to ND. It’s a tiny Catholic school in Indiana. As we’ve said a million times over, it takes a special kid to come to ND. They’re out there, but certainly not the majority.
It’s not like ND won’t lower standards a little bit for football players. I had a class with Jaylon Smith, Will Fuller and Greg Bryant and I can promise you they weren’t brainiacs.
Actually yes.. they can get it.. but if it makes you feel any better I am from Rancho.. in Ca.. and a couple of his close friends worked for me.. CJ is a great kid. .. but he wasn't getting into ND!
However large it may be -- and it's a fair and debatable point -- the EVIDENCE cites that ND's current TALENT LEVEL is not what it was either under Holtz or Faust.
Holtz: FOUR NUMBER ONE CLASSES IN SUCCESSION.
Faust: THREE NUMBER ONE CLASSES and another ranked SEVENTH ALL-TIME at ND.
It's just not a question of ND not being able to offer -- again a debatable point -- it's also a question of TOO MANY OF THE VERY BEST SIMPLY NOT COMING -- EVEN WHEN OFFERED.
Who wants to go to CLASS when you don't have to when having to PRACTICE FOOTBALL? The only C I ever got in college was during the one-year I was a varsity starter before getting injured and having to pack it in.
Doing academic work and playing football -- and I was merely at a small Ivy playing D-3 -- is EXTREMELY DEMANDING.
Plus, many of these kids are simply NOT academically inclined.
Let's see ND get even ONE number one class before RETIRING THE TALENT GAP ARGUMENT. Again, unless there are STRINGS PULLED, I don't see it happening.
Yeah. And you need some dudes at key spots. DL, CB, WR
Like the research you did and agree no way he gets fired—-even if he goes 7-5. I think a closer look at schedules is important though. massive talent advantage over every team on our schedule except the 3
Be honest, do you believe that every player on the ND roster has a 3.5 or above????
Do your same google search for current ND players HS GPA. I promise a lot of them had a 3.0.
I'm sure they did. But CJ aint no 3.0 and if he is that is sketchy as can be. Also Id like to see his SAT.
No offense to the kids but he's not the brightest and hes one kid I think would have trouble at ND
An elite QB is not mandatory to win a title. That's been proven. More than once.
For us it is.
If you can recruit at an elite level every year, elite QB isnt necessary.
We cant do that. We need an elite QB to win a title
Elite QB’s without a highly efficient OL won’t deliver a title.
Football remains a team game and it’s the horses up front that determine outcomes
I just don’t buy the argument that the academic standards at ND is keeping ND from winning a championship.
Yes, I agree, not everyone can get into ND. However, there are plenty of true student athletes that are elite that ND just misses out on.
Lots of reasons
1. ND is a boring campus for kids. No fraternities, not a great night life. Indiana is boring for some.
2. No Heisman, or championship in their generation. This is a big deal. Major recruits wanna see 1 if not both of these.
3. ND has been embarrassing in Championship and playoff games
4. Now factor in NIL money
5. ND hasn’t produced an elite NFL QB since…
This is a few reasons
The actuarial tables say I have about 12 years left.
I hope they BEAT ME TO THE FINISH LINE.
If those are the reasons, then how do you explain how, according to you, Notre Dame has NFL talent at every position ?
Man, you are embarrassing yourself.
Of course NFL caliber players wanna go to ND. What are you talking about.
Man, I am getting off this crazy train with you.
I am headed to watch UFC
I was hoping that you would see how you were advocating for conflicting/contradictory positions, but I was mistaken.
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