Would you all have been screaming to fire Lou?

[Irish Luck]

During his 9th year. I know its a bit of cherry picking and the record was not as bad as this one will probably be but the circumstances were a little more in Lou's favor too. Coming off an 11-1 and #2 finish in 93 ND went 6-5-1 and lost in the Fiesta Bowl to finish unranked in 94. The next 2 years were 9-3 and 8-3 before he left.
That coaching change started the next 13 years of awful football before BK arrived. ND went 91/68 in those 13 years. 57% win percentage. Holtz had an 80% win percentage before that 94 season, BK had 70% before this year.
For those that want BK gone, did you want Lou fired after 1994?
I'm not happy with what is going on but I was really pissed from 1997-2010. I'm too old to suffer through another 15-20 years of crappy football and constant coaching changes.

 

[chitown sot]

There is no comparison between Lou and this wannabe big boy coach.

 

[Howard Hall 74]

During his 9th year. I know its a bit of cherry picking and the record was not as bad as this one will probably be but the circumstances were a little more in Lou's favor too. Coming off an 11-1 and #2 finish in 93 ND went 6-5-1 and lost in the Fiesta Bowl to finish unranked in 94. The next 2 years were 9-3 and 8-3 before he left.
That coaching change started the next 13 years of awful football before BK arrived. ND went 91/68 in those 13 years. 57% win percentage. Holtz had an 80% win percentage before that 94 season, BK had 70% before this year.
For those that want BK gone, did you want Lou fired after 1994?
I'm not happy with what is going on but I was really pissed from 1997-2010. I'm too old to suffer through another 15-20 years of crappy football and constant coaching changes.

You don't get it! This has nothing to do at this stage about Kelly's record - it has everything to do with how this team is taught/coached to play football. It's coaching. This team is very badly prepared week in and week out to play. The game management is terrible and how he talks/yells at his players is open to considerable question. Lou's teams were all very well coached. You saw that in his first 2 years. Although they lost, the team was prepared to play and well coached. It was just a matter of time before his program clicked. And it did.

 

[chitown sot]

Amen Howard!

 

[VirginiaWildcat]

During his 9th year. I know its a bit of cherry picking and the record was not as bad as this one will probably be but the circumstances were a little more in Lou's favor too. Coming off an 11-1 and #2 finish in 93 ND went 6-5-1 and lost in the Fiesta Bowl to finish unranked in 94. The next 2 years were 9-3 and 8-3 before he left.
That coaching change started the next 13 years of awful football before BK arrived. ND went 91/68 in those 13 years. 57% win percentage. Holtz had an 80% win percentage before that 94 season, BK had 70% before this year.
For those that want BK gone, did you want Lou fired after 1994?
I'm not happy with what is going on but I was really pissed from 1997-2010. I'm too old to suffer through another 15-20 years of crappy football and constant coaching changes.

Nobody can deny how terrible the coaching was yesterday. It was landmark ineptness.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

Nobody can deny how terrible the coaching was yesterday. It was landmark ineptness.

^THIS

 

[irish4life888]

Lou would have never had his QB throw the ball 26 times in a hurricane. Heck, we didn't see that many runs by running backs. One of the worse coached games I've seen at this level. No, 100% of the loss goes to Kelly this time. I'm a Kelly fan but have nothing here to defend him. I think the University better start putting feelers out. I think this team has quit on him.

 

[HuddleBurger]

In 1994 ND lost at unranked Boston College 30-11 (second consecutive loss to BC), with 50 passing yards total. Also got destroyed in the Fiesta Bowl by Colorado, 41-24 (CU led 31-3 before calling off the dogs).

1995, ND lost to unranked Northwestern at home, 17-15 in the season opener. Got crushed at Ohio State, 45-26. Struggled mightily to beat unranked Army 28-27 at Giants Stadium.

1996, opened the season on a Thursday night and barely beat lowly Vanderbilt 14-7, dropping 3 spots in the rankings with the win. Got dominated at home by Ohio State, rushing for a total of 44 yards in the 29-16 loss. Lost at home in OT to lowly Air Force, we was previously almost unthinkable under Lou.

Make no mistake: people were accusing Lou of bad coaching -- the team looked flat, played with no emotion, awful fundamentals, bad game planning, poor gameday decisions, lack of in-game adjustments, etc., etc. All the exact same stuff people are saying about Kelly. That is just what happens in the Era of Mediocrity when the administration messes with the coach's pipeline to the talent. The resulting poor performances by the team start reflecting badly on the coach, fairly or unfairly.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

In 1994 ND lost at unranked Boston College 30-11 (second consecutive loss to BC), with 50 passing yards total. Also got destroyed in the Fiesta Bowl by Colorado, 41-24 (CU led 31-3 before calling off the dogs).

1995, ND lost to unranked Northwestern at home, 17-15 in the season opener. Got crushed at Ohio State, 45-26. Struggled mightily to beat unranked Army 28-27 at Giants Stadium.

1996, opened the season on a Thursday night and barely beat lowly Vanderbilt 14-7, dropping 3 spots in the rankings with the win. Got dominated at home by Ohio State, rushing for a total of 44 yards in the 29-16 loss. Lost at home in OT to lowly Air Force, we was previously almost unthinkable under Lou.

Make no mistake: people were accusing Lou of bad coaching -- the team looked flat, played with no emotion, awful fundamentals, bad game planning, poor gameday decisions, lack of in-game adjustments, etc., etc. All the exact same stuff people are saying about Kelly. That is just what happens in the Era of Mediocrity when the administration messes with the coach's pipeline to the talent. The resulting poor performances by the team start reflecting badly on the coach, fairly or unfairly.

If I recall correctly, Lou was also distracted a bit in the latter years with the health issues of his wife

 

[VirginiaWildcat]

In 1994 ND lost at unranked Boston College 30-11 (second consecutive loss to BC), with 50 passing yards total. Also got destroyed in the Fiesta Bowl by Colorado, 41-24 (CU led 31-3 before calling off the dogs).

1995, ND lost to unranked Northwestern at home, 17-15 in the season opener. Got crushed at Ohio State, 45-26. Struggled mightily to beat unranked Army 28-27 at Giants Stadium.

1996, opened the season on a Thursday night and barely beat lowly Vanderbilt 14-7, dropping 3 spots in the rankings with the win. Got dominated at home by Ohio State, rushing for a total of 44 yards in the 29-16 loss. Lost at home in OT to lowly Air Force, we was previously almost unthinkable under Lou.

Make no mistake: people were accusing Lou of bad coaching -- the team looked flat, played with no emotion, awful fundamentals, bad game planning, poor gameday decisions, lack of in-game adjustments, etc., etc. All the exact same stuff people are saying about Kelly. That is just what happens in the Era of Mediocrity when the administration messes with the coach's pipeline to the talent. The resulting poor performances by the team start reflecting badly on the coach, fairly or unfairly.

But what does any of this have to do with BK's undeniably horrendous coaching performance yesterday?

 

[DieHard_Irish]

But what does any of this have to do with BK's undeniably horrendous coaching performance yesterday?

Great question ... answer: nothing

 

[Howard Hall 74]

In 1994 ND lost at unranked Boston College 30-11 (second consecutive loss to BC), with 50 passing yards total. Also got destroyed in the Fiesta Bowl by Colorado, 41-24 (CU led 31-3 before calling off the dogs).

1995, ND lost to unranked Northwestern at home, 17-15 in the season opener. Got crushed at Ohio State, 45-26. Struggled mightily to beat unranked Army 28-27 at Giants Stadium.

1996, opened the season on a Thursday night and barely beat lowly Vanderbilt 14-7, dropping 3 spots in the rankings with the win. Got dominated at home by Ohio State, rushing for a total of 44 yards in the 29-16 loss. Lost at home in OT to lowly Air Force, we was previously almost unthinkable under Lou.

Make no mistake: people were accusing Lou of bad coaching -- the team looked flat, played with no emotion, awful fundamentals, bad game planning, poor gameday decisions, lack of in-game adjustments, etc., etc. All the exact same stuff people are saying about Kelly. That is just what happens in the Era of Mediocrity when the administration messes with the coach's pipeline to the talent. The resulting poor performances by the team start reflecting badly on the coach, fairly or unfairly.

You trying to compare an extremely competent coach with Kelly? Give me a break. Lou had many problems, both with the team and the administration. His biggest was 2 of the greatest reasons the program has fallen off over the years, Malloy and Wadsworth. Terrible administrators who set the football program back with their mismanagement until this day. Yes, Lou's offense was getting old, but his teams were prepared. Kelly is completely in over his head and has been since he came here.

 

[HuddleBurger]

But what does any of this have to do with BK's undeniably horrendous coaching performance yesterday?

It doesn't; responding to the OP.

 

[HuddleBurger]

You trying to compare an extremely competent coach with Kelly? Give me a break. Lou had many problems, both with the team and the administration. His biggest was 2 of the greatest reasons the program has fallen off over the years, Malloy and Wadsworth. Terrible administrators who set the football program back with their mismanagement until this day. Yes, Lou's offense was getting old, but his teams were prepared. Kelly is completely in over his head and has been since he came here.

This is my point. Every coach in the last 22 years has had problems with the administration. I know Lou was a way better coach than Kelly. Lou was incredible at game prep, in-game decisions, fundamentals, motivating, etc. Until the administration started meddling. Then he suddenly started looking like he was bad at those things. Not his fault -- the administration's.

 

[end_23]

When did Lou ever go 3-9? Dopey post. Ndsmc78 has a new handle.

 

[BGI User 1596]

When did Lou ever go 3-9? Dopey post. Ndsmc78 has a new handle.

Cockroaches are mutating!

 

[Irish Luck]

Cockroaches are mutating!

I didn't say lou went 3-9. Neither has Kelly, YET. It may happen this year. My point was that we keep the coaching carousel going and we will keep getting what we have for the past 20 years. Lou was and probably still would be much better than BK. But will the next guy be better? The stats say most likely not. The big name guys don't want to come to ND anymore. Too many restrictions, too tough a schedule, too much stress and too many bandwagon fans.

 

[ignatiusjk]

During his 9th year. I know its a bit of cherry picking and the record was not as bad as this one will probably be but the circumstances were a little more in Lou's favor too. Coming off an 11-1 and #2 finish in 93 ND went 6-5-1 and lost in the Fiesta Bowl to finish unranked in 94. The next 2 years were 9-3 and 8-3 before he left.
That coaching change started the next 13 years of awful football before BK arrived. ND went 91/68 in those 13 years. 57% win percentage. Holtz had an 80% win percentage before that 94 season, BK had 70% before this year.
For those that want BK gone, did you want Lou fired after 1994?
I'm not happy with what is going on but I was really pissed from 1997-2010. I'm too old to suffer through another 15-20 years of crappy football and constant coaching changes.

The big difference was Holtz won a NC in his third year Kelly hasn't. National Championships will give you a lot of latitude as a coach.

 

[HuddleBurger]

Lou was poised to create a football dynasty, especially after the surprising 1993 season. But, not to be. Beauchamp and Wadsworth lopped the balls off the program and Lou wisely bailed. This neutered version has been ongoing for 22 years now.

 

[perseverare]

Kelly would never have been hired if ND had been the 'ND'