Wimbush is the starter? I would not Book that.

[theskibro]

All accounts point to his anointment. I have high expectations for this guy, similar to what I felt about Golson.

After the game today, my worst suspicions are surfacing because Wimbush looked a lot like Golson circa his last year versus Golson who rode the bus in 2012.

Wimbush had interception it is and did not seem to see coverage. Geez, I am disappointed. Book on the other hand is my starter. Guy is poised and accurate.

Without a doubt, I start Book. This team is looking like a 6-6 team at best based on what I saw
Plus Jack indicated Kelly is safe for another 3 years.
Kelly sucks

 

[PHJIndy]

It was just a scrimmage. Don't read too much into what you just saw.

 

[theskibro]

It was just a scrimmage. Don't read too much into what you just saw.

Yeah and last year's spring game was just a scrimmage and Zaire stunk and Kelly played 2 against Texas and we went 4-8 Just saying, it may be a scrimmage but Book put up 3x the points of Wimbush

 

[Pennick44]

All accounts point to his anointment. I have high expectations for this guy, similar to what I felt about Golson.

After the game today, my worst suspicions are surfacing because Wimbush looked a lot like Golson circa his last year versus Golson who rode the bus in 2012.

Wimbush had interception it is and did not seem to see coverage. Geez, I am disappointed. Book on the other hand is my starter. Guy is poised and accurate.

Without a doubt, I start Book. This team is looking like a 6-6 team at best based on what I saw
Plus Jack indicated Kelly is safe for another 3 years.
Kelly sucks

Another dopey post!

 

[shooter1977]

Yeah and last year's spring game was just a scrimmage and Zaire stunk and Kelly played 2 against Texas and we went 4-8 Just saying, it may be a scrimmage but Book put up 3x the points of Wimbush

Let's not get carried away. Two years ago Kizer was outplayed by Van Gorder in the spring game. According to most on the message boards he was either transferring or changing positions.

 

[SwlaDukie]

The first team defense wasn't great, but the 2nd string looked horrible. Let's hope ND isn't plagued with a ton of injuries on defense this season. Yeah Book looked great, but some of those kids outside of your top 18-19 players on defense really need to improve. Wimbush had nerves obviously and some bad reads, but the first string defense has some really good players out there. Love and Watkins look like they both will being playing on Sundays. Hayes and Hayes on the ends look like studs. Tranquil, Martini, and Morgan looked like potential all-Americans. Safety play seems improved marginally. ND should win at least 9 games potentially more depending on injuries. The talent on offense looks better now than any time than I can remember since maybe 1992 or 1993. Im going to put 200 on ND to win atleast 9 games this year. I figure I will get at least 20-1 odds on it.

 

[mirer03]

You do realize they played no touch on the qb and he is more of a run pass and rollout qb right? What u saw from him today is a small part of his ability. He ended with similar stats minus the running game. It was obvious they were working on his progressions and pocket presence... You know being that it was a practice.

 

[Zorich 88]

All accounts point to his anointment. I have high expectations for this guy, similar to what I felt about Golson.

After the game today, my worst suspicions are surfacing because Wimbush looked a lot like Golson circa his last year versus Golson who rode the bus in 2012.

Wimbush had interception it is and did not seem to see coverage. Geez, I am disappointed. Book on the other hand is my starter. Guy is poised and accurate.

Without a doubt, I start Book. This team is looking like a 6-6 team at best based on what I saw
Plus Jack indicated Kelly is safe for another 3 years.
Kelly sucks

STOP! There is zero QB controversy at ND. BW is and will be the starter vs Temple. Yes, BW missed some throws. However, this offense was simply a vanilla version of the real deal. I really like Book but no way is he more ready than BW.

 

[impossibilityofreason1]

All accounts point to his anointment. I have high expectations for this guy, similar to what I felt about Golson.

After the game today, my worst suspicions are surfacing because Wimbush looked a lot like Golson circa his last year versus Golson who rode the bus in 2012.

Wimbush had interception it is and did not seem to see coverage. Geez, I am disappointed. Book on the other hand is my starter. Guy is poised and accurate.

Without a doubt, I start Book. This team is looking like a 6-6 team at best based on what I saw
Plus Jack indicated Kelly is safe for another 3 years.
Kelly sucks

Unfortunately it may not matter who starts at QB. Some say it's a scrimmage and it doesn't matter. I watched the first quarter of the Bama scrimmage. As an ND fan unfortunately it is still just a different level. We aren't close and even all Kelly's coaching changes may not close the gap. I am not sure what the answer is. How much improvement can we expect from last season? What is good enough? 8 wins? What is honestly realistic for this team? At best the defense is very thin.

 

[perseverare]

Wim throws a very nice ball. He needs some game experience (his actual combat has been limited for 2 years) He is not Cam nor Vick but definately no Golson!

The kid has the 'it' factor.

 

[TOMMY_23]

This is an obvious rebuilding year. Wimbush is one of the most talented players in the country when all will be said and done. Let him just play all year- ups and downs. The game I'm circling is Sept. 1, 2018. Lets be honest. Things have changed and that's our national title game now.

 

[TOMMY_23]

Unfortunately it may not matter who starts at QB. Some say it's a scrimmage and it doesn't matter. I watched the first quarter of the Bama scrimmage. As an ND fan unfortunately it is still just a different level. We aren't close and even all Kelly's coaching changes may not close the gap. I am not sure what the answer is. How much improvement can we expect from last season? What is good enough? 8 wins? What is honestly realistic for this team? At best the defense is very thin.

To be honest ND is settling in as an 8-4 come enjoy a Saturday on our beautiful campus brand. It's no longer about winning like it is at Bama and USC. ND, no matter who the coach is, is never going to be close to Bama.

 

[beachcardinal]

Another dopey post!

This wasn't a dopey pot, he reported on what he saw and concluded. I do agree however that spring games have little meaning in the scheme of things. Based on the spring game and practice SC started Brown over Sam D. Wait until you see him in action.

 

[Johnnie82]

One of the reporters at the scout site said that N. Montana looked good during a spring game as well. So we have to remember that it is still only a spring game.

 

[Telx1]

Ski, I saw Ian three times in high school, and I suggested at his commitment that he will be much better than the Rees comparisons people were making. That said, he was playing against ND's second string defense that was unable to put any pressure on him, and his receivers were generally wide open. Wimbush had Hayes in his face on numerous plays, and the first string secondary looked damn good against our first string receivers. Yea, he made several mistakes, and we'll have some growing pains, but the offense was very basic and he was obviously instructed to stay in the pocket on plays he would otherwise pull the ball down and scramble. Much more disconcerting to me was the play of our RT Kraemer, as I thought D Hayes dominated him.

 

[NDCap]

BW definitely looked inconsistent at times but the Red shirt didn't help him. Keep in mind he still threw22-33 for 303 . That was very quiet . He could have ran for over 100 . but I was happy to see Book do well . BW will be really good but I just hope the OL plays better . Some of the pass pro was bad . Real bad . Unblocked at time off the edge .. at least it was our D. Can we please just lineup and put a hat on a hat and attack down hill ?

 

[IrishInOntario]

Brandon just does things when bullets fly, that Ian can't do. That throw to Claypool on a dead sprint to his right was staggering. There are some NFL guys that can't get out of that pocket, nor complete that pass.

Not to mention, so much of what makes Brandon a weapon is his ability to run on the perimeter and for Long to call RPO'S off of that.

Nothing wrong with Ian Book. He's every bit the solid backup you'd expect ND to have, but Wimbush's "boom" potential far out weighs his "bust" potential.

 

[Quest4Twelve]

Unfortunately it may not matter who starts at QB. Some say it's a scrimmage and it doesn't matter. I watched the first quarter of the Bama scrimmage. As an ND fan unfortunately it is still just a different level. We aren't close and even all Kelly's coaching changes may not close the gap. I am not sure what the answer is. How much improvement can we expect from last season? What is good enough? 8 wins? What is honestly realistic for this team? At best the defense is very thin.

Are you referring to the same Bama scrimmage that was 14-7 late in the 2nd quarter?

 

[TOMMY_23]

One of the reporters at the scout site said that N. Montana looked good during a spring game as well. So we have to remember that it is still only a spring game.

Exactly. This wasn't a game though. A crowd showed up to watch an organized practice. People overreact like a mutha on here haha.

 

[tkirish]

To make predictions for the 2017 season based on results of the spring game is sort of ridiculous. The goal is to get live reps and above all come out injury free. It's a practice game nothing more. There is no barometer for the up coming season. Just like an NFL team going 5 and 0 in preseason, it means absolutely nothing in the regular season and it doesn't give any indication one way or another wins or losses. It's a new staff, new players in key positions and that is the bigger issue. The talent is there. It's cohesion that's missing. The question is this. How long will it take for all the individual pieces to work as one and that includes coaches. Stay tuned. Go Irish!!

 

[Pennick44]

This wasn't a dopey pot, he reported on what he saw and concluded. I do agree however that spring games have little meaning in the scheme of things. Based on the spring game and practice SC started Brown over Sam D. Wait until you see him in action.

So the game has little meaning yet he wants the backup QB to takeover the starting job?

 

[echowaker]

As I posted in another thread, spring games are the absolute worst format into which anyone should make any sort of player evaluation good or bad. They are for the fans period.

 

[IrishInOntario]

As I posted in another thread, spring games are the absolute worst format into which anyone should make any sort of player evaluation good or bad. They are for the fans period.

Spring games always favour traditional pocket passers because everything the offense does is extremely vanilla. That was literally the best format for Ian Book's skill set (not to disparage him in any way) and the worst format for Brandon Wimbush's... Chip Long isn't about to start throwing RPO's all over the field and running read option keepers to the corner with Wimbush in the spring game. He's such a multi dimensional athlete and exactly what modern college teams are looking for in a quarterback. IMO, his skill set is a hybrid of Dak Prescott and Michael Vick. Tons of speed, rocket launcher for an arm, but he's also big, physical, and a load.

 

[perseverare]

Wimbush
Yep, only a practice game but you can already see some things, tangible and intangible
He has a live arm like EG, but where he is different is, is he is more willing to pull the ball down and run.
He seems less affected by any error or miscue; he is more natural in the leadership role.
In passing style BW may look like EG but as to his total repertoire, his overall 'style' of play would remind one of Russell Wilson. This is not to say he is a RW, but meant to describe is game effect.

'17, QB is not a problem.

 

[theskibro]

Ski, I saw Ian three times in high school, and I suggested at his commitment that he will be much better than the Rees comparisons people were making. That said, he was playing against ND's second string defense that was unable to put any pressure on him, and his receivers were generally wide open. Wimbush had Hayes in his face on numerous plays, and the first string secondary looked damn good against our first string receivers. Yea, he made several mistakes, and we'll have some growing pains, but the offense was very basic and he was obviously instructed to stay in the pocket on plays he would otherwise pull the ball down and scramble. Much more disconcerting to me was the play of our RT Kraemer, as I thought D Hayes dominated him.

All good points TelX. I had the same thoughts on Kraemer. Look, when Wimbusg throws 2 ints into coverage that was good, I saw Golson all over again

Just concerned. I liked some things the team did but am far from impressed. Hope I am wrong just was hoping to come away excited and far from that

 

[theskibro]

So the game has little meaning yet he wants the backup QB to takeover the starting job?

Pennick. Stop being such an ass. I posted my views. You can't be blind. You had to see what I saw. I am not saying Book should start, I am saying that 2 ints from Wimbush reminded me a lot of how my expectations for Golson were crushed

I am concerned

And I have zero confidence in Kelly. The guy cannot win big games and makes bad decisions

That is my point.

 

[ZORO50]

It was a really good spring game.
Winbush was really good. Book was really good. If anything I'm happy to know that
we can feel confident running Winbush knowing that the backup is capable of winning.

Once Winbush rips off a good run in a real game it's going to open up everything for this offense to be ridiculously explosive.

Winbush just needs to work on processing his reads quicker and having awareness of the time clock in his head. 1,2 get rid of it.
1,2- run, 1,2. Do something.
He may have gotten crushed a few times if that was a real game.

Book definitely has some quick release and throws the slants extremely well. He has a better arm than given credit for. I can see why Sanford loved this kid. He's a gamer.
I would definitely feel comfortable unleashing Winbush now.

Overall, I was real happy with the whole offense and pleased with the defensive pressure. Very optimistic.

 

[impossibilityofreason1]

Are you referring to the same Bama scrimmage that was 14-7 late in the 2nd quarter?

Yes that one. If you watched it or any of it you see it was played at a different speed. Regardless of the score we are still not there.

 

[Pennick44]

Pennick. Stop being such an ass. I posted my views. You can't be blind. You had to see what I saw. I am not saying Book should start, I am saying that 2 ints from Wimbush reminded me a lot of how my expectations for Golson were crushed

I am concerned

And I have zero confidence in Kelly. The guy cannot win big games and makes bad decisions

That is my point.

You said in your original dopey post, "I start Book." Now you say "I am not saying Book should start."
We get it you don't like Kelly. I am sure he doesn't like you.
It is a stupid spring game. You are the ass.

 

[spenna]

All accounts point to his anointment. I have high expectations for this guy, similar to what I felt about Golson.

After the game today, my worst suspicions are surfacing because Wimbush looked a lot like Golson circa his last year versus Golson who rode the bus in 2012.

Wimbush had interception it is and did not seem to see coverage. Geez, I am disappointed. Book on the other hand is my starter. Guy is poised and accurate.

Without a doubt, I start Book. This team is looking like a 6-6 team at best based on what I saw
Plus Jack indicated Kelly is safe for another 3 years.
Kelly sucks

Kelly is just there for the check . they will be average as long as he is there . The .Georgia game scares me , especially after the student body sells have their tickets.

 

[SeanPol355]

I believe that students must have an ND, SMC, or HCC ID to use a student ticket. They aren't the problem. Faculty, staff and season ticket holders are the big sellers.

 

[echowaker]

Kelly is just there for the check . they will be average as long as he is there . The .Georgia game scares me , especially after the student body sells have their tickets.

A truly uninformed opinion.

 

[Kelso86]

All accounts point to his anointment. I have high expectations for this guy, similar to what I felt about Golson.

After the game today, my worst suspicions are surfacing because Wimbush looked a lot like Golson circa his last year versus Golson who rode the bus in 2012.

Wimbush had interception it is and did not seem to see coverage. Geez, I am disappointed. Book on the other hand is my starter. Guy is poised and accurate.

Without a doubt, I start Book. This team is looking like a 6-6 team at best based on what I saw
Plus Jack indicated Kelly is safe for another 3 years.
Kelly sucks

"Without a doubt, I start Book. This team is looking like a 6-6 team at best based on what I saw"

Thank God you are not coaching then!

 

[zonairish]

"Without a doubt, I start Book. This team is looking like a 6-6 team at best based on what I saw"

Thank God you are not coaching then!

I watched the game a few times. Wimbush looked good. So did Book. Easily Wimbush has the better arm. Book was good and will be a great backup if needed. Book was not throwing pro ball routes, Wimbush was. Yes wimbush threw 2 interceptions. in reality 1 was a bad decision the other should have been caught by the receiver. Wimbush deserves to start. Also the format was 1's against 1's and 2's against 2's. Our offensive talent on the 2's is far superior than the 2's D. I see 8-4 is worse case scenario on what I see. I believe they will do much better than that.

 

[SwlaDukie]

It was also nice to see the tightends actually used, during the spring game in stark contrast to the last couple of years. Especially on roll outs to the short side of the field which almost always open with a solid running game.

 

[MTIrish98]

Our defensive depth (lack thereof) is what allowed book to have such a great day. I was really impressed by him -- reminded me of K. Moore from Boise State, but I don't think he'd have been that impressive against the 1st string defense.

If I were the OC, I'm all in on Wimbush as a starter, but I'm breathing easier this morning because Book can run the offense too.

 

[twalsh]

This is an obvious rebuilding year.

With like 17 starters and part time starters back? No, this is a step forward year.

 

[spenna]

I believe that students must have an ND, SMC, or HCC ID to use a student ticket. They aren't the problem. Faculty, staff and season ticket holders are the big sellers.

thanks, did not know that

 

[Kelso86]

Our defensive depth (lack thereof) is what allowed book to have such a great day. I was really impressed by him -- reminded me of K. Moore from Boise State, but I don't think he'd have been that impressive against the 1st string defense.

If I were the OC, I'm all in on Wimbush as a starter, but I'm breathing easier this morning because Book can run the offense too.

"Our defensive depth (lack thereof) is what allowed book to have such a great day."

Also -- playing against the number 2 defense, and with limited opportunities for the defense to actually get after him also helped him as well.

"If I were the OC, I'm all in on Wimbush as a starter, but I'm breathing easier this morning because Book can run the offense too."

Could not agree more!