Why not me?

[theskibro]

If. I am Wes Pritchet who broke his hand in the 88 game vs Miami and insisted on continuing to play - I am scratching my head that my son Marshall who is a 6.5 ft tight end has not been recruited by ND. Other legacy kids from ND players of the glory years 87-96 have been offered. But not Marshall Pritchet.

I think it sux. Now Marshall is projected to go to Alabama. They see something in him. Why don’t we?

I would like to hear from you all on this. Especially Alice, TelX, Pennick, Golson, - all of u Why did we ignore this kid and Emmitt Mosley ?

 

[hvillebill]

Maybe he was contacted and the young man said he had no interest.

Some kids (like Peyton and Arch Manning, for instance) want to take a different path.

 

[Golson5]

If. I am Wes Pritchet who broke his hand in the 88 game vs Miami and insisted on continuing to play - I am scratching my head that my son Marshall who is a 6.5 ft tight end has not been recruited by ND. Other legacy kids from ND players of the glory years 87-96 have been offered. But not Marshall Pritchet.

I think it sux. Now Marshall is projected to go to Alabama. They see something in him. Why don’t we?

I would like to hear from you all on this. Especially Alice, TelX, Pennick, Golson, - all of u Why did we ignore this kid and Emmitt Mosley ?

We recruited Mosley. He wasn't interested.

Not sure about Pritchet. Our legacy TE we have committed is better. We may take a 2nd. Maybe they don't see much in him

 

[savvyandsassier]

Well I think that still counts for now as the gold standard of offers, even without Saban, and a quick check reveals a huge, illustrious offer sheet overall. But no ND offer even though apparently he's visited the school four times. So I would imagine there's at least some interest on his part. I could understand not wanting to go to ND and just going to a state U. and having a great time. And he's a TE and we're TE U.

I guess that's a shame....

 

[wi_hoosier]

Do we know if he has the grades to get into ND? That is still a thing in this day of professional college football, right?

 

[88ND]

If. I am Wes Pritchet who broke his hand in the 88 game vs Miami and insisted on continuing to play - I am scratching my head that my son Marshall who is a 6.5 ft tight end has not been recruited by ND. Other legacy kids from ND players of the glory years 87-96 have been offered. But not Marshall Pritchet.

I think it sux. Now Marshall is projected to go to Alabama. They see something in him. Why don’t we?

I would like to hear from you all on this. Especially Alice, TelX, Pennick, Golson, - all of u Why did we ignore this kid and Emmitt Mosley ?

Maybe it's all about the dolla bills now.

There are so many outlying things now factoring into kids decisions...

We have no idea we didn't talk with him.
We have no idea if he wants to take the 17 languages plus Russia 5.
We have no idea if this is money driven.
We have no idea if he's allergic to the pollen in Indiana.

In other words...

WE

HAVE

NO

IDEA

 

[88ND]

Do we know if he has the grades to get into ND? That is still a thing in this day of professional college football, right?

Way overblown and over stated to get in to our beloved.

everyone loves saying that as a way to apologize for having the big suck of football performances in the big game.

It was funny how the previous coach could never prevent being dominated in a major post season game and he and his apologists love talking about the different aisle.
Remember that...
that good old different aisle and shopping from it.

Things are not quite as bleek as those looking/hoping for excuses to apologize for the lack of competitive football in the biggest of games.

Is ND wanting more of the students when they arrive than some of the school is optional..schools....???
Sure.

Admissions?
It's not really some task harder than most other schools.

Nothing more

nothing less

 

[Golson5]

Way overblown and over stated to get in to our beloved.

everyone loves saying that as a way to apologize for having the big suck of football performances in the big game.

It was funny how the previous coach could never prevent being dominated in a major post season game and he and his apologists love talking about the different aisle.
Remember that...
that good old different aisle and shopping from it.

Things are not quite as bleek as those looking/hoping for excuses to apologize for the lack of competitive football in the biggest of games.

Is ND wanting more of the students when they arrive than some of the school is optional..schools....???
Sure.

Admissions?
It's not really some task harder than most other schools.

Nothing more

nothing less

This is incorrect

 

[Telx1]

I think we took a much higher rated TE at the time in Flanigan, who is a ND legacy kid; and lots of speculation that we plan to take only one TE this year. I think Flanigan is a really good get!

 

[savvyandsassier]

I think we took a much higher rated TE at the time in Flanigan, who is a ND legacy kid; and lots of speculation that we plan to take only one TE this year. I think Flanigan is a really good get!

I know, good point. What a dilemma, yeah? Which legacy TE do you take!

 

[Golson5]

I think we took a much higher rated TE at the time in Flanigan, who is a ND legacy kid; and lots of speculation that we plan to take only one TE this year. I think Flanigan is a really good get!

We're looking at possibly taking another now

The Waverly kid but waiting on admissions situation with that one

 

[NDinNJ]

Way overblown and over stated to get in to our beloved.

everyone loves saying that as a way to apologize for having the big suck of football performances in the big game.

It was funny how the previous coach could never prevent being dominated in a major post season game and he and his apologists love talking about the different aisle.
Remember that...
that good old different aisle and shopping from it.

Things are not quite as bleek as those looking/hoping for excuses to apologize for the lack of competitive football in the biggest of games.

Is ND wanting more of the students when they arrive than some of the school is optional..schools....???
Sure.

Admissions?
It's not really some task harder than most other schools.

Nothing more

nothing less

ND most likely does have higher academic admission requirements for athletes than most schools, including prerequisite classes required for admission, as well as a minimum GPA. However they most likely are relaxed compared to the non-athlete applicants.

 

[sjb75]

Way overblown and over stated to get in to our beloved.

everyone loves saying that as a way to apologize for having the big suck of football performances in the big game.

It was funny how the previous coach could never prevent being dominated in a major post season game and he and his apologists love talking about the different aisle.
Remember that...
that good old different aisle and shopping from it.

Things are not quite as bleek as those looking/hoping for excuses to apologize for the lack of competitive football in the biggest of games.

Is ND wanting more of the students when they arrive than some of the school is optional..schools....???
Sure.

Admissions?
It's not really some task harder than most other schools.

Nothing more

nothing less

Garbage.

This poster is clueless.

 

[88ND]

This is incorrect

Yes....the ND admissions is overstated and exaggerated.

ND most likely does have higher academic admission requirements for athletes than most schools, including prerequisite classes required for admission, as well as a minimum GPA. However they most likely are relaxed compared to the non-athlete applicants.

Admissions isn't a cookie cutter across the land....agreed... but it's no where as dire as the apologists love to make it out to be.

Fixing Notre Dame Football: Part 1 Culture

The Notre Dame football team needs some fixing. The first thing we can start changing is the culture of the program. It’s also the hardest.

www.onefootdown.com

Below are some key points from one foot down...

Whenever Notre Dame starts to struggle on the football field, one of the many first reactions is that they just don’t have the “athlete’s” to compete. When that gets suggested, the first part about Notre Dame’s supposed lack of athletes is that they are unable to offer many of the best high school players due to high academic standards for admission. Many fans hold the belief that if the Irish were to lower their standards, they would get better players. They hold this belief and wish it to become reality.
The truth is, that Notre Dame’s academic requirements for football players is considerably lower than what is perceived. Take a look at the top 300 recruits each year and check out who Notre Dame offers. They absolutely are unable to offer a few kids, and some are just missing out in one degree or another (core classes). It’s not as bleak as one may think.

If you want some cold hard truth in your face, it is MUCH MUCH harder to gain admittance to Stanford as a football player than to do the same at Notre Dame. And as many people have pointed out, Stanford seems to be the model that Notre Dame should follow (even though they have still been unable to play for a national title in these golden years).

So what is the academic issue, and how can it be fixed?​

Just as it is harder to get into Stanford playing football than it is to get into Notre Dame, the course load is easier while a player attends Stanford as compared to Notre Dame. I may get some of the details a little wrong here, but basically, football players are still required to carry a full course load at Notre Dame during the semester that they play ball. Have you ever wondered why the Irish always seem to play like crap around midterms? It’s because these guys are getting the proper rest and sleep that an athlete needs to compete at a high level. This year, ironically enough, midterms fell on Stanford week.

I remember players like DeShone Kizer talking about sleeping only a few hours a night that week. ARE WE INSANE? I know the goal is to have the football players have as much of the same experience as the student body- but we ask so much more from them.

I suggest that instead of lowering academic standards to get into Notre Dame, the University simply allows them to have a lighter load in the fall. Look, these guys are there in the summer taking classes and chipping away at their course requirements to graduate in 4 years- except a lot of guys are graduating in less than 4 years. This load is too heavy once you start weighing it against the rest of the country. This simple fix of allowing at least one course less than what they require now in the fall semester would not only help during that awful week of midterms, but down the stretch in November as the season beats them up mentally, emotionally, and physically.

I can’t help but wonder if the load was a bit lighter, would the academic issues that have plagued the Irish in recent years even have happened?

Shopping down a different aisle.​

I actually loathe that term. It’s used by Kelly to say that he has to recruit different players because of the academics, but as I stated before, it’s not like the aisle is bare. With that said, one of the great things about Notre Dame and one of its biggest selling points is the “4 for 40” mantra. You go to Notre Dame for four years to make the next forty years of your life great.

It’s a fantastic slogan, and one of the more unique ways to recruit a player (and his parents). However, there is an unintended downside that we can’t fix- nor should we. Some of these guys really are at Notre Dame to learn. GASP!

 

[NDinNJ]

Yes....the ND admissions is overstated and exaggerated.

Admissions isn't a cookie cutter across the land....agreed... but it's no where as dire as the apologists love to make it out to be.

Fixing Notre Dame Football: Part 1 Culture

The Notre Dame football team needs some fixing. The first thing we can start changing is the culture of the program. It’s also the hardest.

www.onefootdown.com

Below are some key points from one foot down...

Whenever Notre Dame starts to struggle on the football field, one of the many first reactions is that they just don’t have the “athlete’s” to compete. When that gets suggested, the first part about Notre Dame’s supposed lack of athletes is that they are unable to offer many of the best high school players due to high academic standards for admission. Many fans hold the belief that if the Irish were to lower their standards, they would get better players. They hold this belief and wish it to become reality.
The truth is, that Notre Dame’s academic requirements for football players is considerably lower than what is perceived. Take a look at the top 300 recruits each year and check out who Notre Dame offers. They absolutely are unable to offer a few kids, and some are just missing out in one degree or another (core classes). It’s not as bleak as one may think.

If you want some cold hard truth in your face, it is MUCH MUCH harder to gain admittance to Stanford as a football player than to do the same at Notre Dame. And as many people have pointed out, Stanford seems to be the model that Notre Dame should follow (even though they have still been unable to play for a national title in these golden years).

So what is the academic issue, and how can it be fixed?​

Just as it is harder to get into Stanford playing football than it is to get into Notre Dame, the course load is easier while a player attends Stanford as compared to Notre Dame. I may get some of the details a little wrong here, but basically, football players are still required to carry a full course load at Notre Dame during the semester that they play ball. Have you ever wondered why the Irish always seem to play like crap around midterms? It’s because these guys are getting the proper rest and sleep that an athlete needs to compete at a high level. This year, ironically enough, midterms fell on Stanford week.

I remember players like DeShone Kizer talking about sleeping only a few hours a night that week. ARE WE INSANE? I know the goal is to have the football players have as much of the same experience as the student body- but we ask so much more from them.

I suggest that instead of lowering academic standards to get into Notre Dame, the University simply allows them to have a lighter load in the fall. Look, these guys are there in the summer taking classes and chipping away at their course requirements to graduate in 4 years- except a lot of guys are graduating in less than 4 years. This load is too heavy once you start weighing it against the rest of the country. This simple fix of allowing at least one course less than what they require now in the fall semester would not only help during that awful week of midterms, but down the stretch in November as the season beats them up mentally, emotionally, and physically.

I can’t help but wonder if the load was a bit lighter, would the academic issues that have plagued the Irish in recent years even have happened?

Shopping down a different aisle.​

I actually loathe that term. It’s used by Kelly to say that he has to recruit different players because of the academics, but as I stated before, it’s not like the aisle is bare. With that said, one of the great things about Notre Dame and one of its biggest selling points is the “4 for 40” mantra. You go to Notre Dame for four years to make the next forty years of your life great.

It’s a fantastic slogan, and one of the more unique ways to recruit a player (and his parents). However, there is an unintended downside that we can’t fix- nor should we. Some of these guys really are at Notre Dame to learn. GASP!

I agree, however many of the top 50-100 recruits do not want to go to real classes. This is an obstacle that is real, and ND is not going to compromise on their academics.

 

[sjb75]

Yes....the ND admissions is overstated and exaggerated.

Admissions isn't a cookie cutter across the land....agreed... but it's no where as dire as the apologists love to make it out to be.

Fixing Notre Dame Football: Part 1 Culture

The Notre Dame football team needs some fixing. The first thing we can start changing is the culture of the program. It’s also the hardest.

www.onefootdown.com

Below are some key points from one foot down...

Whenever Notre Dame starts to struggle on the football field, one of the many first reactions is that they just don’t have the “athlete’s” to compete. When that gets suggested, the first part about Notre Dame’s supposed lack of athletes is that they are unable to offer many of the best high school players due to high academic standards for admission. Many fans hold the belief that if the Irish were to lower their standards, they would get better players. They hold this belief and wish it to become reality.
The truth is, that Notre Dame’s academic requirements for football players is considerably lower than what is perceived. Take a look at the top 300 recruits each year and check out who Notre Dame offers. They absolutely are unable to offer a few kids, and some are just missing out in one degree or another (core classes). It’s not as bleak as one may think.

If you want some cold hard truth in your face, it is MUCH MUCH harder to gain admittance to Stanford as a football player than to do the same at Notre Dame. And as many people have pointed out, Stanford seems to be the model that Notre Dame should follow (even though they have still been unable to play for a national title in these golden years).

So what is the academic issue, and how can it be fixed?​

Just as it is harder to get into Stanford playing football than it is to get into Notre Dame, the course load is easier while a player attends Stanford as compared to Notre Dame. I may get some of the details a little wrong here, but basically, football players are still required to carry a full course load at Notre Dame during the semester that they play ball. Have you ever wondered why the Irish always seem to play like crap around midterms? It’s because these guys are getting the proper rest and sleep that an athlete needs to compete at a high level. This year, ironically enough, midterms fell on Stanford week.

I remember players like DeShone Kizer talking about sleeping only a few hours a night that week. ARE WE INSANE? I know the goal is to have the football players have as much of the same experience as the student body- but we ask so much more from them.

I suggest that instead of lowering academic standards to get into Notre Dame, the University simply allows them to have a lighter load in the fall. Look, these guys are there in the summer taking classes and chipping away at their course requirements to graduate in 4 years- except a lot of guys are graduating in less than 4 years. This load is too heavy once you start weighing it against the rest of the country. This simple fix of allowing at least one course less than what they require now in the fall semester would not only help during that awful week of midterms, but down the stretch in November as the season beats them up mentally, emotionally, and physically.

I can’t help but wonder if the load was a bit lighter, would the academic issues that have plagued the Irish in recent years even have happened?

Shopping down a different aisle.​

I actually loathe that term. It’s used by Kelly to say that he has to recruit different players because of the academics, but as I stated before, it’s not like the aisle is bare. With that said, one of the great things about Notre Dame and one of its biggest selling points is the “4 for 40” mantra. You go to Notre Dame for four years to make the next forty years of your life great.

It’s a fantastic slogan, and one of the more unique ways to recruit a player (and his parents). However, there is an unintended downside that we can’t fix- nor should we. Some of these guys really are at Notre Dame to learn. GASP!

A bunch of ignorant garbage.

 

[88ND]

I agree, however many of the top 50-100 recruits do not want to go to real classes. This is an obstacle that is real, and ND is not going to compromise on their academics.

Nobody suggested such but the fact remains the apologists would come out in full force and point to admissions and different aisle shopping.
Before NIL was even discussed this particular nonsense, was indeed discussed, being used as a crutch to excuse mediocre football.

Prior to the NIL there were a few players here and there that we couldn't get but neither could a lot of schools. Way more than the apologists think.

The moment ND decided to participate in the NIL was the moment they compromised academics. The player is not choosing the destination due to the academic$ but rather how much$!
How much are you going to pay me. That's the focus. Not the engineering program or biology.

Yes there might be a few here and there but these kids all have false hope driven into their brain starting in Jr. High that Sunday playing is almost guaranteed.
Reality is 90 plus percent will never play one single snap on Sunday. $ince the NIL is here for most the 40 year decision is an after thought.

This debacle of a sport that it has become will have to crash and burn before it can be reset.

The NFL needs to get a farm system and draft and sign these players right out of high school if good enough. If the athlete wants to pursue college knowing the odds of making it in the pro's is NIL alright...NIL as in zero...they might want to get the nice degree on arm and be debt free upon graduation.
If someone needs more work they can attend college too.
No more paying players and this fiasco. Pro teams get players in their system right away. PLayers if lucky enough to be drafted right away get a nice fat NFL contract which will dwarf NIL money...
The NFL team gets them in their system right away...
College football need not worry about NIL any longer..
Players get a real contract and can call themselves pro.
Everyone wins. Including the fans!
God forbid

 

[Chitown11]

A bunch of ignorant garbage.

not really

 

[NDinNJ]

Nobody suggested such but the fact remains the apologists would come out in full force and point to admissions and different aisle shopping.
Before NIL was even discussed this particular nonsense, was indeed discussed, being used as a crutch to excuse mediocre football.

Prior to the NIL there were a few players here and there that we couldn't get but neither could a lot of schools. Way more than the apologists think.

The moment ND decided to participate in the NIL was the moment they compromised academics. The player is not choosing the destination due to the academic$ but rather how much$!
How much are you going to pay me. That's the focus. Not the engineering program or biology.

Yes there might be a few here and there but these kids all have false hope driven into their brain starting in Jr. High that Sunday playing is almost guaranteed.
Reality is 90 plus percent will never play one single snap on Sunday. $ince the NIL is here for most the 40 year decision is an after thought.

This debacle of a sport that it has become will have to crash and burn before it can be reset.

The NFL needs to get a farm system and draft and sign these players right out of high school if good enough. If the athlete wants to pursue college knowing the odds of making it in the pro's is NIL alright...NIL as in zero...they might want to get the nice degree on arm and be debt free upon graduation.
If someone needs more work they can attend college too.
No more paying players and this fiasco. Pro teams get players in their system right away. PLayers if lucky enough to be drafted right away get a nice fat NFL contract which will dwarf NIL money...
The NFL team gets them in their system right away...
College football need not worry about NIL any longer..
Players get a real contract and can call themselves pro.
Everyone wins. Including the fans!
God forbid

I agree with you on admissions, the apologists do exaggerate it, but NIL was a court ruling. That's not going to change, unless the courts reverse their decision.

As for the NFL creating a farm system, that will never happen, they have a farm system called the NCAA which costs the NFL zero dollars,

 

[88ND]

I agree with you on admissions, the apologists do exaggerate it, but NIL was a court ruling. That's not going to change, unless the courts reverse their decision.

As for the NFL creating a farm system, that will never happen, they have a farm system called the NCAA which costs the NFL zero dollars,

Oh but it will hurt the NFL.

Watch what happens when the next CBA is being negotiated.
Riley, as example, who will never play a Sunday down is making 385k more than a real pro making the league minimum.
The NFLPA will never stand for that. NEVER.
That isn't until 2030 so imagine how insane the NIL will be in six strong.

Moreover...
You can cite NIL is no law but what isn't law is participating in it.

Nobody HAS to participate in it. If that means no more football so be it.

At some point a school's morals will kick in.

 

[Golson5]

Oh but it will hurt the NFL.

Watch what happens when the next CBA is being negotiated.
Riley, as example, who will never play a Sunday down is making 385k more than a real pro making the league minimum.
The NFLPA will never stand for that. NEVER.
That isn't until 2030 so imagine how insane the NIL will be in six strong.

Moreover...
You can cite NIL is no law but what isn't law is participating in it.

Nobody HAS to participate in it. If that means no more football so be it.

At some point a school's morals will kick in.

You are clueless

 

[sjb75]

Oh but it will hurt the NFL.

Watch what happens when the next CBA is being negotiated.
Riley, as example, who will never play a Sunday down is making 385k more than a real pro making the league minimum.
The NFLPA will never stand for that. NEVER.
That isn't until 2030 so imagine how insane the NIL will be in six strong.

Moreover...
You can cite NIL is no law but what isn't law is participating in it.

Nobody HAS to participate in it. If that means no more football so be it.

At some point a school's morals will kick in.

You have no idea what Riley Leonard is making.

Clueless, ignorant garbage:

 

[88ND]

You are clueless

And still as immature as ever that only knows what some talking head told you.

 

[Golson5]

And still as immature as ever that only knows what some talking head told you.

Clueless

 

[Telx1]

We're looking at possibly taking another now

The Waverly kid but waiting on admissions situation with that one

Waverly would be an excellent get, but are you saying we are waiting on admissions before offering?

 

[Golson5]

Waverly would be an excellent get, but are you saying we are waiting on admissions before offering?

That's what was said on another site. Now they are saying we are just waiting to offer based on numbers and needs. They like him and are still evaluating. Because it seems if we offer it's a done deal

 

[wi_hoosier]

Way overblown and over stated to get in to our beloved.

everyone loves saying that as a way to apologize for having the big suck of football performances in the big game.

It was funny how the previous coach could never prevent being dominated in a major post season game and he and his apologists love talking about the different aisle.
Remember that...
that good old different aisle and shopping from it.

Things are not quite as bleek as those looking/hoping for excuses to apologize for the lack of competitive football in the biggest of games.

Is ND wanting more of the students when they arrive than some of the school is optional..schools....???
Sure.

Admissions?
It's not really some task harder than most other schools.

Nothing more

nothing less

It was really a simple question. OP asked why we haven't recruited him, and I asked if he had the grades to get in.