I keep hearing ND compared to Big12 etc. but where is Ohst marquee win? They have not even played a team ranked in the top 25 let alone beat a top team. 7 pt wins vs. Ill st and Indiana? Ohst should be ranked behind ND and the Big12 undefeateds. Last seasons NC should mean nothing this season.
Why is Ohst top 4?
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Ummmmmmmm. Maybe because they are still undefeated and WON the National Championship last season. They are the CHAMP until they are beaten.
I find it rather amusing that the OP has repeatedly predicted that ND is in the playoff at 11-1, no matter whether any Big 12 team is undefeated or not, while at the same time, he confesses that he cannot understand why the committee is voting as it has done.
i still hope msu beats ohio state or michigan that would move us up to 3 no way we get left out. what happends if msu beats osu and iowa crazy stuff..
Very simple
They are defending national champions
They are unbeaten this year
They are 48-3 in last 3 1/2 years
Me and everyone else on here would love to be in their shoes
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I totally understand this. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed. The CFP vote is suppose to consider the teams and games of this year, so what they've done in prior years should be irrelevant (we all know it's not if course). Going by this year alone, who they've played, I think it is fair to ask why the hell they should be in the top 4. That seems a legitimate discussion from my perspective. The vote shouldn't be based on who the coach us, or how much perceived talent is on a team, it should be based on this year, what they've done on the field PERIOD. the fact that it not shows just how ridiculous the committee is.
Fair question for a program that has done anything of use in last 20 years not a fair question for us. Ohio State will just laugh in our face. Even this year they have better record than us and probably they will beat us if we played them in playoffs.
Why so angry? Beach is always pleasant, respectful and well informed.
He is not well informed enough to recognize ND victories over Top25 teams Temple and Navy as well as his own UOJ team which should move into the Top25 soon. Where is Ohst's Top25 win or even game this season?
If you don't think a large part of your SOS is based on Clemson, there is noting I can do to convince you,.
Obviously it's not as easy as that. Let's see, we beat Ga Tech when they were ranked 14th, we beat you who was in the top 25 the week prior. We beat Pittsburgh who was in top 25 the week prior. We beat Navy who is in the top 25. We beat Temple who is in the top 25. Lost to Clemson by 2 on last play and ranked #1 mostly because they beat us. And we finish with a top 10 in Stanford.
I am not knocking your schedule, I was responding to a question. Temple and Navy are ranked now, but I don'[t think the wins have a big impact of the committee. I don't it matters where a teams was ranked when you beat it. the SOS changes every week. that is why ND fans may root for SC, Clemson and Standford. You'll need a big edge to make up for not having the 13th game. An away win at Stanford should give you that edge.
When you think about "top 25" teams you need to remember there are not that many power five teams. A team ranked 25 is just a little above average.
I think Navy has to be recognized. Their QB will break the all time record for TDs if he hasn't already. They just last week beat an undefeated and 14th ranked Memphis team. And they or Temple may play in their conf. championship. Clemson may be a conf. champion and ranked #1 we only lost by 2 on last play. Stanford may be a conf. champion. And Pitt can still get to a conf. championship game. That's potentially 5 teams involved in their conf. championship game on the ND schedule. And when we booked Texas, who would've thought they would tank - even though they beat a 1-loss Oklahoma. And don't forget we beat Pitt 42-24 except for our 4th string QB (In July) Wimbush, fumbled and was returned for a TD late in the game. We basically had Ga Tech beat 30-10 save 2 TDs in the last 1 1/2 min. against our 2nd team. And that Pitt team we crushed lost to an undefeated Iowa team because of a last second 55 yard FG to beat them
You still havent provided a valid reason why Ohst is ranked #3. You have analyzed ND's opponents, how about Ohst's?
Jeff Long sat there and said specifically last year means nothing.
And if this is what have you done lately they still shouldn't be above 6.
They keep saying they 've yet to play to their potential.
Well ok now...there you have it. Lies , twists and turns. Wtfe.
If they have yet to play to potential then rank them top four when they decide to play like top four.....I mean to their potential. And don't even get me started on Bama. They belong no higher than 8th. The most overrated team in the top ten.
****ing reputation.
Couple of comments only comment to this is that I have no idea what, "so quit"trolling softly with your song, you have been served'" means. As to not knowing "crap", well evaluating the knowledge of posters who disagree with you is part of the game. If you find my posts ignorant, I would invite you to use the ignore button.
This. Look it starts with perception. I team is ranked preseason based on guesses. You then move up or down based on results. Although the playoff ranking do not start until later they are still impacted by the initial polls. tOSU started as number one and moved down some based on a weak record. But they still haven't lost and the committee knows that beating a "ranked" team, especially a lower ranked team only means anything if the season plays out well for them. If you had played use in September you would have beaten the number 6 ranked team. As it turns out you beat an unranked team. TOSU will play a strong game in the championship. The committee knows this. If they lose they will drop out. If they win the committee is justified. ND will be in if you beat Stanford, altho0ugh there is a chance Baylor could move in if undefeated.
And if your team wins out, that may be another team that can play in a conf. championship that we beat. That's half our schedule of teams that can go down to the wire to play in their respective conf. championship games. If our only loss is to the #1 team, I think we should be in over any 1-loss team including Alabama. I think we crush Clemson at a neutral site.
True. there is nothing wrong with ND's schedule, it is strong. The question though was why tOSU was ranked. The issue for ND was, and always will be, whether an 11-1 ND team can overcome a 12=1 conference champion. In most case the answer will be know. The point is mot unless ND beats Stanford.
There are certain things I think we all would agree are true: If Clemson wins out they are in. If Baylor wins out they are if. If an undefeated Iowa plays and undefeated tOSU the winner is in and if Alabama wins out it is in. If any one of those things fails to happen and ND beats Stanford ND should be in.
Also IMO if Baylor beats Oklahoma it will pass ND next week. (I think they play this weekend.) However that will not matter long term, they still need to beat Okie State. Okie State winning out probably would put them in, but perhaps not. I think the Pac-12 is eliminated (assuming you beat Stanford. ).
I think this sums up my ignorant, don't know crap opinion.
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If the committee wants be legit,they are going to seriously look at SOS plus playing top25 teams of which Ohio State is found wanting.Enough said.
I think nd can. a lot depends on when that 12-1 conference champ lost. had ohio st lost last year to va tech in november I highly doubt they get in.
Baylor and Okie state play November 21st. If both are undefeated the winner may get a shot. Certain if the winner is Baylor.
I believe the committee pretty much said ND is a "solid" 4th place based on the schedule. I don't think they solely meant Clemson. I'm disappointed that Ga Tech tanked because that did weaken our stance.
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