Went for two points too early

[scubastevefl]

9 minutes to go or whatever it was trying to cut it to a 10 point game, But had the Irish waited till the second score to go for 2 by that Time they would have realized it was a 14 point game and two touchdowns would tie. Reeks of Northwestern.

The fumbled are on the players, having to go for 2 is on the coaches.

 

[kev2225]

Totally agree. That's just basic coaching. Don't chase points. Don't go for two until you NEED to go for two. So simple, yet so hard for some of these coaches to comprehend.

 

[Johnnie82]

problem is we would have needed to go for two at some point. early or later really doesn't make that much difference. more importantly the ball went right through Robinson's hands. the play was a good one. execution didn't work.

 

[sshulk]

Totally correct and you wasted a good 2 point play that Robinson should have converted - irony is that if he catches that pass we kick the PAT to win 25-24

 

[kev2225]

problem is we would have needed to go for two at some point. early or later really doesn't make that much difference. more importantly the ball went right through Robinson's hands. the play was a good one. execution didn't work.

What are you talking about? If we would have kicked the extra point on the other TD we could have tied it with a kick after the last TD instead of being forced to go for two. Your absolutely wrong on this one.

 

[TurnoverMachine]

Amen scuba! I have no voice now because I was yelling at an effing tv screen when he made the decision to go for 2. Why doesn't this idiot coach know when to go for 2?

 

[TurnoverMachine]

problem is we would have needed to go for two at some point. early or later really doesn't make that much difference. more importantly the ball went right through Robinson's hands. the play was a good one. execution didn't work.

Wrong. ND never would've needed to go for 2. What game were you watching? Would've been 24-10 after the D got the FG stop.

 

[Johnnie82]

It doesn't matter anyway. We turned the ball over 4 times. two point conversions didn't determine this game.

 

[Yooper Irishfan]

Yes we did. I questioned it before the first 2 pt conversion try, and ultimately it cost us the game.

 

[Bur-Heel]

You damn right we did..said it to my brother while it was happening..it was never needed..told him it was going to come back and bite us!!

 

[brian822]

kelly is a shit coach.

 

[IrishHerb]

9 minutes to go or whatever it was trying to cut it to a 10 point game, But had the Irish waited till the second score to go for 2 by that Time they would have realized it was a 14 point game and two touchdowns would tie. Reeks of Northwestern.

The fumbled are on the players, having to go for 2 is on the coaches.

Agree with OP.

When Kelly went for 2 the first time, I was thinking "WHY" … and had to burn a TO too on that call. Maybe on the 2nd TD if Clemson hadn't made their FG. But the first 2 point try was way too early.

 

[KJ23]

Sometimes Kelly baffles me but we lost this game due to a lack luster first half and 4 turnovers. Clemson played the clean game. We did not. I'm more of a macro view when it comes to games. You do not win on the road at night in the rain against a quality team with 4 turnovers.

 

[DillonDomer]

We were not moving the ball and CBK was positioning us to tie with a TD, extra point, and FG. After the next lottery drawing please tell me what numbers I should have played. I wasnt crazy about the last two point call but the only think I think that CBK could have been thinking was that tight in pass plays are typically darts or fades and with the rain the darts certainly were not working but I probably would still have gone with a pass with an option to run. Not to take anything away from Clemson but I feel we gave it away as much as they won it. They made the plays and didn't make the mistakes, yet we had a chance to tie in the end.

 

[footballobserver]

You damn right we did..said it to my brother while it was happening..it was never needed..told him it was going to come back and bite us!!

Agree. Too early to go for 2. But Kelly probably looked at the damn 2 pt chart that says go for 2

 

[nwregionite]

to go for the 2 initially after the td not a good call...but not nearly as bad as this call actually was. they used a time out as well which to me was unforgivable...they should have just took the damned 5 yards and kicked the ball. going for 2 that early is a coin flip call...using a timeout to go for 2 that early is absolutely horrible.

i hope it was a panicked player that called the actual time out. if it was from the coaching staff...whomever called it should be demoted immediately.

 

[SwlaDukie]

Bottom line Notre Dame wasn't prepared. It was obvious that they were coming off a bi- week. But Notre Dame is fortunate the bi-week is before the huge Temple game.

 

[TurnoverMachine]

Bottom line Notre Dame wasn't prepared. It was obvious that they were coming off a bi- week. But Notre Dame is fortunate the bi-week is before the huge Temple game.

Yea, dude, the season is meaningless now after another cbk choke job. It's too damn bad that POS didn't get the Eagles job. The guy is the worst.

 

[perseverare]

Agree. Too early to go for 2. But Kelly probably looked at the damn 2 pt chart that says go for 2

who did he get that chart from? Vinnie Barbarino?

 

[vivalas]

Don't mind the call because of our lack of offensive production. Robinson had a soft touch pass go through his hands, also dropped a nice toss into end zone. Nine point swing by poor play

 

[Pennick4]

You turn the ball over 4 times and you lose.

 

[KJ23]

4 turnovers and you don't deserve to win. Complaining about a single decision or play call is not the reason. Maybe a micro reason but not being prepared to play in the first half is on Kelly and 4 Turnovers is on the players. A group effort loss in my op

 

[perseverare]

It's only a bad play because it wasn't successful. He knew at the time we would need a two point conversion. He rolled the dice and it didn't work. You play to win the game.

ummmm: 2 point loss; 2 failed xtra points? It's Tulsa Time?

 

[BGI User 1596]

Culture over scheme!

4 turnovers and you don't deserve to win. Complaining about a single decision or play call is not the reason. Maybe a micro reason but not being prepared to play in the first half is on Kelly and 4 Turnovers is on the players. A group effort loss in my op

Kelly looked like a Deer in the headlights.

 

[Johnnie82]

It's only a bad play because it wasn't successful. He knew at the time we would need a two point conversion. He rolled the dice and it didn't work. You play to win the game.

As I said earlier we would have needed to go for two at some point. going for it early gives us a chance to make it up later. Don't get it twisted. the slow start out of the gate and the turnovers cost us the game.

 

[perseverare]

24-22=2
xtra points foregone=2

why was it necessary or mandatory that ND go for 2?

 

[IrishMike409]

Culture over scheme!

Kelly looked like a Deer in the headlights.

Stupid post. No he didn't.

On the road, horrible conditions, "biggest game in Clemson history."

We turned it over 4 times, and BK had us in a position to win late. He coached a hell of a game.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Stupid post. No he didn't.

On the road, horrible conditions, "biggest game in Clemson history."

We turned it over 4 times, and BK had us in a position to win late. He coached a hell of a game.

Kelly had two extra points to save the day and gave it away - the kids deserved better - momentum in OT would have won the game.

 

[NewHampshireIrish]

As I said earlier we would have needed to go for two at some point. going for it early gives us a chance to make it up later. Don't get it twisted. the slow start out of the gate and the turnovers cost us the game.

There was no "NEED" to go for two. Kick the XP both times Kelly decided to go for the two pt conversion and the game goes into OT. Horribly mismanaged. You don't go for two until you HAVE to. And cutting it to 10 versus 11 is not a HAVE TO scenario. The fact that this is up for debate makes my brain hurt.

Having said all that, the turnovers, players not catching the ball, Robinson dropping a TD....there certainly were some other contributing factors. The fact ND was even in the game in the last few minutes was unbelievable.

 

[Pennick4]

Culture over scheme!

Kelly looked like a Deer in the headlights.

Nitwit is back. Post less read more.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Nitwit is back. Post less read more.

FU Pendick - Kelly blew it and so do you.

 

[zuskie]

I think this is completely focusing on the wrong issue. Some people seem thrilled to be able to pick the one play call in the game they didn't like so they can say Kelly sucks. We had 440 yards of offense...so the play calling couldn't have been too horrible.

t think it was the right call. It was executed perfectly...until 88 dropped it. The issue in the game wasn't going for 2...it was 4 turnovers, a crappy first punt, poor tackling, 5-6 other key dropped passes, etc. Take away the first 2 minutes of each half and ND wins that game easy. Way way too many mistakes last night. But I'm glad they never stopped punching.

Actually...the play call I take issue with was the final 2-pt conversation attempt. Would have liked to see a roll-out run/pass option for DK. We were getting no push all game long...seems optimistic to expect that all of a sudden we'd steam-roll the front 7 back into the end zone. Also would have liked to see some play action throughout to try to ease up the pressure of the front 7.

 

[Johnnie82]

9 minutes to go or whatever it was trying to cut it to a 10 point game, But had the Irish waited till the second score to go for 2 by that Time they would have realized it was a 14 point game and two touchdowns would tie. Reeks of Northwestern.

The fumbled are on the players, having to go for 2 is on the coaches.

Wow, that's some kinda hindsight. or is it foresight? since there is no way to see into the future and know that it would have bee an 14 point game you have to go with what you know at the time. and at the time trying to get the score to 10 was the goal.

If you really want to beat up the coaches for something, then ask them why we kept running CJ in to an 8 man box the whole first half? why didn't we start trying to throw the ball earlier? To me that is a bigger issue that the 2 pt conv.

 

[perseverare]

look, over the past 5+ years, we have had these debates far too often; decisions made by the staff choosing an option that ultimately has direct impact on a resulting loss. How many of the losses in the past 6 seasons were losses where ND lost to a clearly superior team or a team that decidedly outplayed ND; a loss where the staff was NOT part of the story. How many times did this board respond that 'the other guys were just better and more deseved of victory'?
what were those games?

 

[Bur-Heel]

It's only a bad play because it wasn't successful. He knew at the time we would need a two point conversion. He rolled the dice and it didn't work. You play to win the game.

Sorry..but we never needed the 2 point conversion....we only needed it in the end because he didn't get it the first try..we scored..made it 21-9..kick the extra point!!

 

[Irishjohn68]

9 minutes to go or whatever it was trying to cut it to a 10 point game, But had the Irish waited till the second score to go for 2 by that Time they would have realized it was a 14 point game and two touchdowns would tie. Reeks of Northwestern.

The fumbled are on the players, having to go for 2 is on the coaches.

Wrong!

 

[perseverare]

Well I think your wrong and he is correct. Actual results support him.

 

[Irishjohn68]

Amen scuba! I have no voice now because I was yelling at an effing tv screen when he made the decision to go for 2. Why doesn't this idiot coach know when to go for 2?

Wouldn't it be simpler for you and everyone else if you stopped posting here and stop pretending to root for ND?

 

[mmboys07]

It's only a bad play because it wasn't successful. He knew at the time we would need a two point conversion. He rolled the dice and it didn't work. You play to win the game.

What, we didn't need a two point conversion. Two kicks and we are in overtime. How is that not playing to win the game?
The team would have been sky high tying up the game at the end to go into overtime. Instead, I am sure they were all thinking; why did we go for two earlier??

 

[Irishjohn68]

Sorry..but we never needed the 2 point conversion....we only needed it in the end because he didn't get it the first try..we scored..made it 21-9..kick the extra point!!

At the time ND was down 12 points, making the 2 pts cuts it to 10. How is it some of you don't understand this?