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UCLA's string of bad injury luck continues. Coach Jim Mora announced Wednesday that All-Pac-12 LB Myles Jack would miss the rest of the season with a "significant" knee injury. It's the third major loss for the Bruins on defense -- DL Eddie Vanderdoes and CB Fabian Moreau were already out for the year -- and comes at a crucial time as they prepare for Saturday's game.
 
Jack and Vanderdoes for UCLA is the equivalent of losing Jaylon and Day for us. The numbers are bigger for ND but not sure any of the injuries on Defense come close to those two. Folston and Zaire on offense is a different story.
 
not sure how another teams misfortune makes the ND condition better; except for the impact and fact that it affects the players, I don't feel bad for Mora!
 
Football is a violent game and injuries are simply part of the game, ND was extraordinarily lucky with injuries in 2012 and have been extraordinarily unlucky in 2014 and 2015. The insatiable desire to assign blame to someone on Brian Kelly's staff or Brian Kelly himself is ignorant. How many programs can be playing #3 on the Depth Chart at QB and RB after Spring Practice and still be putting up these numbers? Only 4 or 5 programs nationwide boast ND's depth.
 
My two college teams I always pull for which include the Irish of course are loaded with injuries and unbeaten. My only pro football team is unbeaten and loaded with injuries. My only MLB team has the best record in baseball and has had loads of injuries all year.

Talk about strange.
 
Football is a violent game and injuries are simply part of the game, ND was extraordinarily lucky with injuries in 2012 and have been extraordinarily unlucky in 2014 and 2015. The insatiable desire to assign blame to someone on Brian Kelly's staff or Brian Kelly himself is ignorant. How many programs can be playing #3 on the Depth Chart at QB and RB after Spring Practice and still be putting up these numbers? Only 4 or 5 programs nationwide boast ND's depth.

"Football is a violent game and injuries are simply part of the game."

Who knew?

Yes, our output versus a decrepit Texas was mind blowing.

Our closing moments season saving TD versus a worthless Virginia was otherworldly.

Our stifling defensive performance against Ga tech was terrific. That's worth discussing up until the point where we threw up on ourselves...

I do realize that there is a lot of hs 'roid rage in your postings, but the suggestion that anything extraordinary has happened this season is poppycock.

Meyer won it all with a third string QB....

You'd be hard-pressed to find any ND fan that didn't expect us to be 3-0 right now, even with the injuries.
 
I can only speak for myself. I thought that the GaTech game was going to be a close game. Needless to say I was hoping that ND would win, but it would not have surprised me if ND had lost. It would not have surprised the oddsmakers either, as GaTech was a two and a half point favorite heading into the game.
 
I can only speak for myself. I thought that the GaTech game was going to be a close game. Needless to say I was hoping that ND would win, but it would not have surprised me if ND had lost. It would not have surprised the oddsmakers either, as GaTech was a two and a half point favorite heading into the game.

Well you were correct. That's what the committee is going to see... a 1 score game....

Did you think we'd be 3-0 or 2-1 or did you not have an opinion?

I had us by 17 (44-27) and was looking good until the collapse....

The job Elliott was assigned to coupled with the time dedicated to defending the option in each practice led me believe we'd handle it well if we stayed disciplined. That was as stifling a defense as you'll ever see....

We took a page out of our past....

I just wish we closed it clean...

"Ga Tech is not the undefeated Dolphins. They can be had.

We need to blow their sh** up and play as violent a game of football as we've seen out of this crew.

I have visions of Farley coming off the edge and Jaylon headhunting....

Johnson will try to get us on our heels. Our guys need to get up field and not let them roll.

Should be fun.... ND 44 Ga Tech 27......"

PS ...sure we could have lost....that's any weekend.....we were more talented and that showed. I'm looking forward to a thorough mashing of umass. Our secondary needs to step up and get some picks... I'd also like to see Sanders get some action in the slot.....getting him in space could be real fun to watch....

ND 40+
umass less than 14.....
 
FloridaIrish is speaking in general and taking into account past posts, not just his thread. I recall you Perse saying something to the effect of blaming Malik's injury on Kelly running a high risk offense, and others criticizing the specific call by Kelly where Malik was injured, etc... Fair for FloridaIrish to reference posters blaming Kelly for injuries. It's also fair to say that running your QB raises the risk of injury, but not to do so with Malik is shutting down what makes him special.
 
Football is a violent game and injuries are simply part of the game, ND was extraordinarily lucky with injuries in 2012 and have been extraordinarily unlucky in 2014 and 2015. The insatiable desire to assign blame to someone on Brian Kelly's staff or Brian Kelly himself is ignorant. How many programs can be playing #3 on the Depth Chart at QB and RB after Spring Practice and still be putting up these numbers? Only 4 or 5 programs nationwide boast ND's depth.

I haven't read any studies, but out of 24 starters (including a couple of special teamers), it is probably normal to lose... 24 player games/season?
 
Address that in those threads then not when its not related to the subject or responsive to any post in the thread. That would be like a poster responding to this thread with a rant about how recruiting on the DL has been disappointing in some positions.
 
FloridaIrish is speaking in general and taking into account past posts, not just his thread. I recall you Perse saying something to the effect of blaming Malik's injury on Kelly running a high risk offense, and others criticizing the specific call by Kelly where Malik was injured, etc... Fair for FloridaIrish to reference posters blaming Kelly for injuries. It's also fair to say that running your QB raises the risk of injury, but not to do so with Malik is shutting down what makes him special.


telx

my comment related to high risk offenses - NOT the HC per se! stop with your BS pot stiring!
 
my comment was: 'run the QB, run the risk' where does that put blame on Kelly?
it is a statement that pertains to the spread offenses w/o regard to who the head coach is.

You guys cannot read or think beyond your bias's
 
How do you distinguish between running a high risk offense and the head coach being responsible for such? Thought you were into holding Kelly accountable.
 
How do you distinguish between running a high risk offense and the head coach being responsible for such? Thought you were into holding Kelly accountable.


take a pill and lay down! you clearly are trying to distort or obfuscate a dicussion!
 
Wrong Sal, not interested in having this thread spiral into name calling and innuendos, etc... Just made an observation on you calling out FlroridaIrish for his reference to others blaming Kelly for injuries, and Perse for his personal attack suggesting FloridaIrish and other posters of his kind are mindless.
 
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Wrong Sal, not interested in having this thread spiral into name calling and innuendos, etc... Just made an observation on you calling out FlroridaIrish for his reference to others blaming Kelly for injuries, and Perse for his personal attack suggesting FloridaIrish and other posters of his kind are mindless.


mindless for lack of thought! the only goal was to create dissention. And I stand by my statement! There is agenda in those posters methods. Thread to thread same BS.
And then to top off you mis-state my posting! Pretty low!
 
Well you were correct. That's what the committee is going to see... a 1 score game....

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Dead wrong.

This was true in the old days, but we live in the days of analytics and the selection committee has access to advanced stats that tell you more about a game than simply the final score which can be very misleading with one team getting lucky or scoring in garbage time when the opposition is trying to let the clock bleed. Tangentially, that's why a stat like QBR is so great--garbage time screen passes in which a runner catches the ball and then goes for 35 yards is not worth as much as a 25 yard strike through the air down the field in a tie game.

If you recall last year, the committee had access to the FPI which considers a multitude of things including how dominant teams have been in a game. You saw last year how comparable teams were compared based on what % of the minutes they led in a game which tells you something when you add up all 12 games. It's difficult to lead for the entire game a against comparable opposition because to do so means you have to be winning in all phases of the game. Any team can get lucky during a game or two, but if you consistently lead throughout the season, it means you're good enough to be better than the opposition in multiple phases of the game and that you're good enough to hedge against bad luck (weird bounces, bad calls, etc.)

It's difficult to outgain the opposition by 200+ yards. It's difficult to hold an opponent that will most likely lead the nation in rushing (or will be in the top three) so far below its season average. If we are fortunate enough to be in the running for one of those four spots at the end of the season, THIS victory and HOW it was achieved will be a big feather in ND's helmet. Yes, it would have been better to have closed he game in a better way, but his isn't 1987 when some AP pollster simply sees the the final score and bases everything off of that. In this day and age, we know more about what happened in the game than the simply the final score.
 
Sal +

btw, any play where the ball in designed to remain in the hands of the QB and end with contact made on that QB is 'higher risk'; not such an analytical deduction, clearly being missed by some.
 
We have a thread advocating the firing of the Brian Kelly's Strength and Conditioning Coach because of all the injuries and a handful of misfit toy posters blaming Brian Kelly for Malik Zaire's injury because he was asked to run with the football, Well by those standards didn't Lou Holtz run the "highest risk" offense?

Tony Rice had lot's of plays designed to end up with the ball in his hands and end with contact? In fact every Option play ND ran could of ended up with the ball in Tony Rice's hands and ended in contact.
 
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FloridaIrish is speaking in general and taking into account past posts, not just his thread. I recall you Perse saying something to the effect of blaming Malik's injury on Kelly running a high risk offense, and others criticizing the specific call by Kelly where Malik was injured, etc... Fair for FloridaIrish to reference posters blaming Kelly for injuries. It's also fair to say that running your QB raises the risk of injury, but not to do so with Malik is shutting down what makes him special.

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!!! I appreciate your 'analytical" ability.
 
We have a thread advocating the firing of the Brian Kelly's Strength and Conditioning Coach because of all the injuries and a handful of misfit toy posters blaming Brian Kelly for Malik Zaire's injury because he was asked to run with the football, Well by those standards didn't Lou Holtz run the "highest risk" offense?

Tony Rice had lot's of plays designed to end up with the ball in his hands and end with contact? In fact every Option play ND ran could of ended up with the ball in Tony Rice's hands and ended in contact.
Still doesn't make it responsive to this thread...
 
Dead wrong.

This was true in the old days, but we live in the days of analytics and the selection committee has access to advanced stats that tell you more about a game than simply the final score which can be very misleading with one team getting lucky or scoring in garbage time when the opposition is trying to let the clock bleed. Tangentially, that's why a stat like QBR is so great--garbage time screen passes in which a runner catches the ball and then goes for 35 yards is not worth as much as a 25 yard strike through the air down the field in a tie game.

If you recall last year, the committee had access to the FPI which considers a multitude of things including how dominant teams have been in a game. You saw last year how comparable teams were compared based on what % of the minutes they led in a game which tells you something when you add up all 12 games. It's difficult to lead for the entire game a against comparable opposition because to do so means you have to be winning in all phases of the game. Any team can get lucky during a game or two, but if you consistently lead throughout the season, it means you're good enough to be better than the opposition in multiple phases of the game and that you're good enough to hedge against bad luck (weird bounces, bad calls, etc.)

It's difficult to outgain the opposition by 200+ yards. It's difficult to hold an opponent that will most likely lead the nation in rushing (or will be in the top three) so far below its season average. If we are fortunate enough to be in the running for one of those four spots at the end of the season, THIS victory and HOW it was achieved will be a big feather in ND's helmet. Yes, it would have been better to have closed he game in a better way, but his isn't 1987 when some AP pollster simply sees the the final score and bases everything off of that. In this day and age, we know more about what happened in the game than the simply the final score.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I appreciate the effort you've put in here. However, I disagree. ND's non conference affiliation is viewed as a negative in many circles. We were going to get skunked in the other format back in '12 despite being undefeated until others faltered in the final weeks.

Imo The biggest style points are reflected in the score... you know what happened, I know what happened....It was a thing of beauty and the score did not reflect the quality of the win. Maybe it's my voter/committee paranoia coming through... still twitching from '93.... I am hoping that ga tech can get their mojo back. PS Clemson and tech have a showdown on 10/10....
 
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Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!!! I appreciate your 'analytical" ability.

Anyone that can add, subtract and divide has the analytical ability to impress a meathead like you. Those skills are above your pay grade.
Your post made no sense relative to the topic. Make sure you pop a steroid before responding....
 
mindless for lack of thought! the only goal was to create dissention. And I stand by my statement! There is agenda in those posters methods. Thread to thread same BS.
And then to top off you mis-state my posting! Pretty low!


Mindless for lack of thought ?

24 thousand posts on a football message board and you reference being mindless ?

Your rate of activity on this board suggests you have the intellectual curiosity of a nat !!
 
"We need to blow their sh** up and play as violent a game of football as we've seen out of this crew.
I have visions of Farley coming off the edge and Jaylon headhunting....
Johnson will try to get us on our heels. Our guys need to get up field and not let them roll"


Ladies and Gentleman a look inside the mind of a football savant, CGVR- The reason condoms were invented and the reason his mom and dad wished they bought one.
 
"We need to blow their sh** up and play as violent a game of football as we've seen out of this crew.
I have visions of Farley coming off the edge and Jaylon headhunting....
Johnson will try to get us on our heels. Our guys need to get up field and not let them roll"


Ladies and Gentleman a look inside the mind of a football savant, CGVR- The reason condoms were invented and the reason his mom and dad wished they bought one.
I am quite certain that your wife/boyfriend lives in fear of your 'roid rage. You really shouldn't be around kids.
 
I am quite certain that your wife/boyfriend lives in fear of your 'roid rage. You really shouldn't be around kids.
The last sentence does have some merit if he's anything in real life like he is in anonymous message board life. I have to hope he isn't.
 
not sure how another teams misfortune makes the ND condition better; except for the impact and fact that it affects the players, I don't feel bad for Mora!


Please reread my original post. How can you interpret it to mean that I am taking pleasure in the another team's misfortune. I was simply stating a fact that all teams experience injuries although not nearly as bad as we have been hit.
 
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