Two years into the playoff ...4 teams?

[88ND]

Two years have passed with the new CFB playoff. Four teams ok? Not enough?

I'm no Ohio State fan but they very well might have been the best team. Loss timing is everything. Had they lost the same week as Alabama did ...they probably get the nod over Oklahoma.

Personally I feel there could be no true champion limiting it to 4 teams only. It's not like these teams play the same identical schedule. Cut one week from the schedule and have an 8 team playoff as 8 teams only adds one more round.

I would have loved to have seen Clemson or Bama try to handle that power OSU running attack.

In two years the committee is 0-2 trying to get the 4 most perfect matchups.
Matter of fact they have selected 8 teams in two years and one could say 3-4 of the eight got dominated or were in over their head.
Eight teams won't magically end all bad selections but odds are the extra 4 slots will help keep the best teams from being left out.

 

[NDSMC78]

Schools are not going to want to cut a game from the schedule. Four teams is plenty.

 

[schadenfreude]

There is no perfect number of playoff participants. Adding or subtracting teams won't lead to a perfect number. More games (an 8 or 16 team field) provide more entertainment to the fans, but make winning a NC less likely for the best team. It all depends on what you want reward. But I don't see any changes as long as the O'Bannon case is hanging over the university presidents' heads.

 

[NDEwing18]

Two years have passed with the new CFB playoff. Four teams ok? Not enough?

I'm no Ohio State fan but they very well might have been the best team. Loss timing is everything. Had they lost the same week as Alabama did ...they probably get the nod over Oklahoma.

Personally I feel there could be no true champion limiting it to 4 teams only. It's not like these teams play the same identical schedule. Cut one week from the schedule and have an 8 team playoff as 8 teams only adds one more round.

I would have loved to have seen Clemson or Bama try to handle that power OSU running attack.

In two years the committee is 0-2 trying to get the 4 most perfect matchups.
Matter of fact they have selected 8 teams in two years and one could say 3-4 of the eight got dominated or were in over their head.
Eight teams won't magically end all bad selections but odds are the extra 4 slots will help keep the best teams from being left out.

Not sure how we define "4 most perfect matchups". It's subjective, to some extent, so your perfect matchups may be different than my perfect matchups. Ohio State had their opportunity and lost to Michigan State. They weren't going to be voted ahead an undefeated Clemson. They weren't going to be voted ahead a one-loss Alabama. And in the event of a tie between them and Oklahoma, arguably Oklahoma winning the Big 12 would have held more sway.

Had Ohio State lost "earlier", I think the conference championship thing still would have been more important to the committee.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

I say expand to 8, but I think 4 team playoff is here to stay for the foreseeable future.

 

[scubastevefl]

Get rid of conference championship games, schools are not going to want to cut a game from their schedule as was mentioned, and 16 games is an NFL schedule.

 

[NDSMC78]

Get rid of conference championship games, schools are not going to want to cut a game from their schedule as was mentioned, and 16 games is an NFL schedule.

Just as schools are not going to want to cut a game from their schedules, conferences are not going to want to give up the money and exposure which come from conference championship games.

 

[Nocalirish]

LSU missed one garbage reg season game for weather and didnt bother to make it up. All teams drop a garbage reg season game and go to an 8 team playoff and everyone else with 6 wins gets a bowl game.

 

[88ND]

Just as schools are not going to want to cut a game from their schedules, conferences are not going to want to give up the money and exposure which come from conference championship games.

I didn't ask if they would do it....but you bring up the money issue.
If everyone dropped a game and you added 4 games to the playoff....the increase in revenue to the socialistic NCAA could offset that dropped 1 game revenue if the opening round of four games in an expanded playoff to 8 were to be distributed throughout...no?

I don't mind the conference title game and Notre Dame can keep playing 12....that takes care of that and it helps get rid of those ridiculous Alabama vs division IAA yearly type of games.

 

[NDSMC78]

I didn't ask if they would do it....but you bring up the money issue.
If everyone dropped a game and you added 4 games to the playoff....the increase in revenue to the socialistic NCAA could offset that dropped 1 game revenue if the opening round of four games in an expanded playoff to 8 were to be distributed throughout...no?

I don't mind the conference title game and Notre Dame can keep playing 12....that takes care of that and it helps get rid of those ridiculous Alabama vs division IAA yearly type of games.

Sorry. The revenue from 4 playoff games would not make up for the loss of 50 or 60 regular season games.

 

[twalsh]

Two years have passed with the new CFB playoff. Four teams ok? Not enough?

I'm no Ohio State fan but they very well might have been the best team. Loss timing is everything. Had they lost the same week as Alabama did ...they probably get the nod over Oklahoma.

Ohio State's problem was getting all the way to mid November before playing a team with a pulse, and then losing to them.

 

[BigFellaFan]

I say eight is the best number but I would still have them "at large". I don't think poor conferences should be rewarded.

Conference Championship games shoul be dropped and SOS should have stronger consideration.

 

[ivan brunetti]

I didn't ask if they would do it....but you bring up the money issue.
If everyone dropped a game and you added 4 games to the playoff....the increase in revenue to the socialistic NCAA could offset that dropped 1 game revenue if the opening round of four games in an expanded playoff to 8 were to be distributed throughout...no?

I don't mind the conference title game and Notre Dame can keep playing 12....that takes care of that and it helps get rid of those ridiculous Alabama vs division IAA yearly type of games.

No way would an extra round of playoffs pay for 60 plus home games worth of revenue. Would ND get the same payout as North Texas? The university ADs would not be happy about giving up a game.

 

[88ND]

No way would an extra round of playoffs pay for 60 plus home games worth of revenue. Would ND get the same payout as North Texas? The university ADs would not be happy about giving up a game.

Why? You do realize in most of these cases there is a game on most teams schedules that they actually pay the inferior opponent to come get an ass whipping. 500k and up is not uncommon to hand over to these smaller programs to come in and get blown out.

So which AD's exactly would be pissed about saving a half million or more ....then also enjoy some extra revenue from the 4 game first round playoff. ?

 

[NDSMC78]

Why? You do realize in most of these cases there is a game on most teams schedules that they actually pay the inferior opponent to come get an ass whipping. 500k and up is not uncommon to hand over to these smaller programs to come in and get blown out.

So which AD's exactly would be pissed about saving a half million or more ....then also enjoy some extra revenue from the 4 game first round playoff. ?

Yeah, they pay the inferior opponent and still make a ton of money. They would not be, as you suggest, saving money. They would lose money. A lot of money.

 

[IrishBlessings]

Schools are not going to want to cut a game from the schedule. Four teams is plenty.

How can 4 teams be plenty when most likely the best team (Ohio St.) was left out ? 8 teams would guarantee a more true National Champion. Not to mention 8 teams would better assist ND in the future of getting into the final 8.

The good news - is that it will eventually expand to 8 due to the amount of $$ that can be made with 8 vs. 4. Money talks and it will happen.

 

[NDSMC78]

How can 4 teams be plenty when most likely the best team (Ohio St.) was left out ? 8 teams would guarantee a more true National Champion. Not to mention 8 teams would better assist ND in the future of getting into the final 8.

The good news - is that it will eventually expand to 8 due to the amount of $$ that can be made with 8 vs. 4. Money talks and it will happen.

Eight teams would guaranty nothing other than the champions of the five power conferences getting automatic bids. Ohio St. had their chance and let it slip away. That's life.

 

[twalsh]

Why? You do realize in most of these cases there is a game on most teams schedules that they actually pay the inferior opponent to come get an ass whipping. 500k and up is not uncommon to hand over to these smaller programs to come in and get blown out.

Fibs programs still make lots of money from those home games.

 

[Nocalirish]

How can 4 teams be plenty when most likely the best team (Ohio St.) was left out ? 8 teams would guarantee a more true National Champion. Not to mention 8 teams would better assist ND in the future of getting into the final 8.

The good news - is that it will eventually expand to 8 due to the amount of $$ that can be made with 8 vs. 4. Money talks and it will happen.

Not for another 10 years when the contract expires.

 

[88ND]

I am stepping outside my mind but I agree with what Nick Saban said today. The conference championship games do serve as the first round of the championship. I think 15 games has pushed college football athletes past the boundary of what we should expect from college football players. The college playoffs have gutted the bowl system and made them nothing but exhibition games. If you expand the playoffs to 8 teams, then the conference championship game must be eliminated and possibly reduce the season back to 11 games. We want to treat the football playoffs like it's football's March Madness. The big difference being basketball is a mild contact sport and football is a violently collision sport. These are college students and not professionals. Cooler heads must prevail and splash cold water on the faces of fanatical fans, who always want more games.

Ara why not reduce to 11 and keep conference title games. Notre Dame keeps playing 12.

4 is better than none but it still leaves so many what ifs. With 8 teams, #9 team on down would thoroughly had all the chances that season to get into the top 8.

It's not impossible especially if the tough schools would just cut out their annual garbage division 1aa game.

 

[NDSMC78]

Ara why not reduce to 11 and keep conference title games. Notre Dame keeps playing 12.

4 is better than none but it still leaves so many what ifs. With 8 teams, #9 team on down would thoroughly had all the chances that season to get into the top 8.

It's not impossible especially if the tough schools would just cut out their annual garbage division 1aa game.

Other schools do not want to cut out that home game and the revenue that comes with it.

 

[NDEwing18]

How can 4 teams be plenty when most likely the best team (Ohio St.) was left out ? 8 teams would guarantee a more true National Champion. Not to mention 8 teams would better assist ND in the future of getting into the final 8.

The good news - is that it will eventually expand to 8 due to the amount of $$ that can be made with 8 vs. 4. Money talks and it will happen.

Ohio State rarely played like the best team in college football this year. They were deservedly left out.

 

[twalsh]

Not for another 10 years when the contract expires.

Both parties can mutually agree to tear up that contract any time they choose. That won't hold anything back, regardless of what anyone says today.

 

[IrishBlessings]

Ohio State rarely played like the best team in college football this year. They were deservedly left out.

They hammered a good Mich team and then hammered ND. Were 12 - 1. If it were an 8 team playoff - w/ Urban as their coach - they may of won it all again.

In 10 years when the current deal is up - it will happen. Too much $$ to be made w/ an 8 team playoff. For those that think an extra game is too much - your only talking about 4 teams out of 127 that would be playing an extra game - and 2 playing an extra 2 - hardly a big deal - if it were all college football teams I'd get the point.

 

[NDSMC78]

They hammered a good Mich team and then hammered ND. Were 12 - 1. If it were an 8 team playoff - w/ Urban as their coach - they may of won it all again.

In 10 years when the current deal is up - it will happen. Too much $$ to be made w/ an 8 team playoff. For those that think an extra game is too much - your only talking about 4 teams out of 127 that would be playing an extra game - and 2 playing an extra 2 - hardly a big deal - if it were all college football teams I'd get the point.

I have zero sympathy for Ohio St. They played a poor non-conference schedule and struggled against some weak teams.

 

[twalsh]

They hammered a good Mich team and then hammered ND. Were 12 - 1. If it were an 8 team playoff - w/ Urban as their coach - they may of won it all again..

I agree 100%. But they were still justifiably left out, based on their regular season. There was no injustice done to Ohio State, except by themselves in losing to MSU, at home.

 

[NDEwing18]

They hammered a good Mich team and then hammered ND. Were 12 - 1. If it were an 8 team playoff - w/ Urban as their coach - they may of won it all again.

In 10 years when the current deal is up - it will happen. Too much $$ to be made w/ an 8 team playoff. For those that think an extra game is too much - your only talking about 4 teams out of 127 that would be playing an extra game - and 2 playing an extra 2 - hardly a big deal - if it were all college football teams I'd get the point.

The Notre Dame result has no bearing on whether they should have made the playoffs or not. It was after the 4-team playoff was decided.

Sure, they hammered a good Michigan team. They also barely beat NIU and Indiana. If it were an 8-team playoff, sure, they may have won it all again. Maybe Stanford would have. Maybe Clemson would have. Maybe Oklahoma would have.

Ohio State had their chance to win their conference. They didn't.

 

[Nocalirish]

Both parties can mutually agree to tear up that contract any time they choose. That won't hold anything back, regardless of what anyone says today.

That's what they said about the BCS but nothing changed until the contract expired.

 

[Nocalirish]

Because the current size is never enough once you start growing and these young men are not here for our entertainment. They are college students and somebody needs to watch out for them until they leave school. Don't wear them out before they even become men for heaven's sake. They participate in a very violent sport, and the human body can take only so much pounding. We sometimes act like spectators in the old Roman Coliseum watching gladiators battle for our pleasure. We clamored for a college playoff and now we want more. ENOUGH!

The lower divisions have had 16+ team playoffs for a long time with no excess damage to players. Reduce the regular season by a game and everyone wins.

 

[NDSMC78]

The lower divisions have had 16+ team playoffs for a long time with no excess damage to players. Reduce the regular season by a game and everyone wins.

No. Everyone does not win. The schools lose the revenue from that home game.

 

[twalsh]

The lower divisions have had 16+ team playoffs for a long time with no excess damage to players. Reduce the regular season by a game and everyone wins.

So 125 teams lose a regular season game so 16 can be in a playoff? Do you see that happening? I don't.

 

[Nocalirish]

So 125 teams lose a regular season game so 16 can be in a playoff? Do you see that happening? I don't.

If the argument is for player safety, you bet.