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I'm a Repub, but Trump isn't a serious candidate IMO. His plan to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants is ridiculous. That would be a logistical nightmare, and would cost an insane amount of money. Plus, who would pick all the tomatoes and do all the other jobs that they do?
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The reason Trump is doing as well is because he's talking about what he can do, instead of saying well "we can't do that" "we can't "we can't". I bet people said we couldn't build the Panama Cannel or Hoover Dam. And get the damn robots to pick fruit, The Republican Party just wants cheap labor. And there's too many people losing good jobs at Cali Edison and Disney too foreigners on Visas. So much for the. "They take jobs Americans won't do". Wake up people your being sold out by both political parties. I work with a non profit that helps the homeless in my community and I still see major effects of people who can't afford housing in my small town, yet were going to bring in 10,000 Syrian refugees and possibly ISIS and provide for them, I m sure they get housing among other things but not our citizens? A lot of homeless I deal with are vets who fought our wars? bullshit!
The reason Trump is doing as well is because he's talking about what he can do, instead of saying well "we can't do that" "we can't "we can't". I bet people said we couldn't build the Panama Cannel or Hoover Dam. And get the damn robots to pick fruit, The Republican Party just wants cheap labor. And there's too many people losing good jobs at Cali Edison and Disney too foreigners on Visas. So much for the. "They take jobs Americans won't do". Wake up people your being sold out by both political parties. I work with a non profit that helps the homeless in my community and I still see major effects of people who can't afford housing in my small town, yet were going to bring in 10,000 Syrian refugees and possibly ISIS and provide for them, I m sure they get housing among other things but not our citizens? A lot of homeless I deal with are vets who fought our wars? bullshit!
Ok it's political and shouldn't be on a ND message board, but.....
What would seem impossible is for a country to maintain it's independence and culture with at least 20 million people undocumented and here illegally. The media has locked onto the lowest estimate for the number of people here with 11 million. As though the lower estimate is automatically the correct estimate. What should we do with all of them? I don't know but there are 100's of millions of people that would welcome the opportunity to come here and assimilate from around the world. But these people don't think the lines are for them nor do they think they need to assimilate. Nor do they think our laws apply to them.
What would seem impossible is for a country to maintain it's independence and culture with at least 20 million people undocumented and here illegally. The media has locked onto the lowest estimate for the number of people here with 11 million. As though the lower estimate is automatically the correct estimate. What should we do with all of them? I don't know but there are 100's of millions of people that would welcome the opportunity to come here and assimilate from around the world. But these people don't think the lines are for them nor do they think they need to assimilate. Nor do they think our laws apply to them.
More than 100 years ago, when my grandfather went to grade school, they taught half the day in German, the other half in English. In our town, the Italians formed their own parishes, had their own societies, pretty much kept to themselves. Same with the Czechs and Poles. Assimilation takes a couple of generations.
That's not to say there isn't an immigration problem today. But the biggest problem is the right wing the Republican Party, which has simply refused to participate in any meaningful discussions, even with the more moderate members of their own party. The American system requires compromise to work.
That's not to say there isn't an immigration problem today. But the biggest problem is the right wing the Republican Party, which has simply refused to participate in any meaningful discussions, even with the more moderate members of their own party. The American system requires compromise to work.
Trump is all talk and has no real plans for anything, he has no respect for women and seems to hate immigrants even though he married someone who is both of these things. You may think he's a serious candidate, he isnt. He was almost booed out of the US open, his home turf, he needs to go back to his horrible reality show...
Whoops; They are not undocumented; they are illegal. As for your second point: maybe the youth of America. I worked on truck farms in my youth. We were expected to. We were taught we weren't entitled to anything and we shouldn't consider any job too low. I am: Pro ND; Pro legal immigration; Anti; illegal immigration. And by the way, I have direct experience with doing it the legal way and it took a lot of time and cost a lot of money and I resent someone just walking across the ______________ border and setting up shop. Go Irish!
Finally we have not one but 2 candidates I can get excited about. Why? Cause they are not politicians.
And they have a fresh perspective and will not tolerate bs
Carson and Trump. Different personalities. Basically same agenda.
Do not fall into the trap of knocking Trump because he is rough around the edges or that he has not shown a plan-- who has? No one. Heck. Obzma has been in office 8 years and has no plan
And it is not about how he will get rid of 11 million illegals or that it will cost too much.
It is about him having the balls and sense to fix the immigration problem caused by politicians
Heck. Give him a chance. He cannot do worse than the past 8 guys
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I really, really hate politics. Both parties talk out both sides of their mouths. I personally have grown tired of these groomed politicians running for office as they are simply the chosen puppet to represent and push the agenda of that party.
Trump, I hate to say it but I think he's a refreshing change of pace. He's not a groomed politician. He apparently doesn't care if the party he represents likes him or not, or, even more entertaining, the running mates he pisses off. He seems honest in his answers and is candid. His interviews and debates seem very unscripted and off the cuff. Perhaps he's fooling everyone, perhaps he's not. I seriously doubt that at the end of the day he'll be the candidate, but I hope he stays in the race a while. Its entertaining, even hilarious at times. Either way, what I hope happens is that he opens the eyes of the american public and both political parties that we're all sick of the scripted, predefined BS. We want politicians that want to make things happen, loves their country, and cuts to BS.
Trump, I hate to say it but I think he's a refreshing change of pace. He's not a groomed politician. He apparently doesn't care if the party he represents likes him or not, or, even more entertaining, the running mates he pisses off. He seems honest in his answers and is candid. His interviews and debates seem very unscripted and off the cuff. Perhaps he's fooling everyone, perhaps he's not. I seriously doubt that at the end of the day he'll be the candidate, but I hope he stays in the race a while. Its entertaining, even hilarious at times. Either way, what I hope happens is that he opens the eyes of the american public and both political parties that we're all sick of the scripted, predefined BS. We want politicians that want to make things happen, loves their country, and cuts to BS.
Here is Trump.
He says what basically everyone says or had said at some point in time. He talks like the good old boys in the garage having a bs session. Except he doesn't care who is listening. Politically correct means nothing to him and frankly it's wonderful. I believe people have been starving for someone to just be more like the average person and how they talk in the work place, goofing around with friends or even having a few drinks at the bar. He sounds like all the above with no apology. Simply put America is sick of these made of glass politicians and as I said starving for someone who is politically incorrect. It does get old how people are too God Damn sensitive about everything. It's old and frankly people are fed up with issuing tissues to everyone about every little thing. Can't say this, can't say that....blah blah....get some thicker skin for God sake.
Go Trump. Why? Because he is mile's from being the same old lingo robotic talking made of glass ....proper acting , speaking politician. He might be a billionaire but he sounds like more people I know than any other politician. Funny given the income disparity but he sounds like more people at your workplace near the water cooler than anyone running now, or past. Who the hell talks about things snd sounds like these politicians do? Nobody. People don't talk like that.
They do talk like Trump though.
He says what basically everyone says or had said at some point in time. He talks like the good old boys in the garage having a bs session. Except he doesn't care who is listening. Politically correct means nothing to him and frankly it's wonderful. I believe people have been starving for someone to just be more like the average person and how they talk in the work place, goofing around with friends or even having a few drinks at the bar. He sounds like all the above with no apology. Simply put America is sick of these made of glass politicians and as I said starving for someone who is politically incorrect. It does get old how people are too God Damn sensitive about everything. It's old and frankly people are fed up with issuing tissues to everyone about every little thing. Can't say this, can't say that....blah blah....get some thicker skin for God sake.
Go Trump. Why? Because he is mile's from being the same old lingo robotic talking made of glass ....proper acting , speaking politician. He might be a billionaire but he sounds like more people I know than any other politician. Funny given the income disparity but he sounds like more people at your workplace near the water cooler than anyone running now, or past. Who the hell talks about things snd sounds like these politicians do? Nobody. People don't talk like that.
They do talk like Trump though.
You didn't answer the part about how much it would cost. That plan would probably cost in the trillions of dollars. At a time when we already have massive budget deficits and a $19 trillion national debt. Not to mention the fact that suddenly deporting all 11 million of them would be very disruptive to our economy - because whether you like it or not, most of them are working, at low-wage under-the-table jobs.
Trump has filed for bankruptcy many times. So he has a history of spending too much.
Changing the law to take away birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants wouldn't pass, either. The Supreme Court has held that up as Constitutional several times over the decades, whenever it was challenged.
Trump business school anyone??? Trump is a crook, he's had businesses declare bankruptcy, his school was a fraud and ripped people off, and you people think this guy can run this country?? Wow..
Sorry for continuing the political talk, but...
Yes, they are here working and most mean no harm at all. However unless you have children and live in one of the border states you have no idea how much they are costing american citizens. The schools in california cannot offer lots of different things to our students because of the massive cost of educating kids who do not speak english. There's no money left for ROP, art, drama, band, etc etc etc. It's a great deal for the corporations though. And perhaps you are a corporation. That would explain why you feel the way you do.
A culture that has a vast amount of cheap labor at it's disposal doesn't innovate. Because they don't have to. Without all that cheap labor coming in, innovation would come much faster. And corps would have to invest in the american people and automate this type of work much faster.
As for the cost of deporting, all we need to do is enforce the e-verify system and as Nitt Money said, they would self deport. Costing us nothing.
And regarding Trump Business School, anyone remember GWB?
That's not his plan. He's just aiming for the bulls eye. With the Constitution and Congress he would never be able to do that. But his banter about it reveals he is serious about doing something unlike the rest of them.
Could be. But personally I just think he has more in common with P.T. Barnum than Ronald Reagan, and I don't plan on voting for him.
The debate tonight should be good, though.
The last time we elected a "good old boy" that used "plain english" that everybody wanted to have a beer with didn't turn out so well for us or the world.
This is something I heard and cannot solidly substantiate but Italian immigrants were referred to as WOPs - meaning Without Papers. Undocumented/illegal immigration has been around for some time but this may be a first where American citizens have to learn their language rather than the other way around.
IG - Did you ever watch The Godfather? They all came through Ellis Island where they were DOCUMENTED. That's all we ask. I'm documented, you're documented, why not these people? Some believe we should let the farmworkers and busboys decide our policy. Because it's such a giant success in their own country.
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I've never heard of instances where American citizens are required to learn their language. English isn't going anywhere.
You head up your butt folks who criticize Trump are THE PROBLEM with this country We have an enormous deficit incurred by predecessors And you are worried about how much Trump will spend to correct the mistakes of the clowns who came before him?
We have a guy who is saying he will fix a lot of stuff Has the balls to say this and you don't want to give him a chance?
WOW live in a pig sty cause that is what you will have
Not saying the English language will go away in the US. I am saying that you can hardly go into a business these days where Spanish is not represented right alongside English for description. A lot of companies as well as gov't agencies have applications/forms printed in Spanish to accommodate. I am not here to claim the sky is falling but this is a HUGE change in the American way of life no matter how you want to look at it.
I don't see what the issue is. We have a substantial number of people that speak Spanish, either solely or in conjunction with English. As an English speaker, I don't see how it affects me. Numerous countries have multiple languages and they seem to function fine.
Not sure that makes Trump different than the average politician. All politicians say they can get things done. Then they get elected and find out they can't or won't get those things done.
You seem stuck in duality. I like to take the triune approach - good, bad, and different. I see the 'different' and it is my observation. If you want to call my observation wrong then so be it.
Still, you're saying that English speakers have to learn Spanish. I don't see evidence of that anywhere.
You may just find it "different" as opposed to "good" or "bad" (and I see what you're saying in that instance - I suppose I don't necessarily find it "good", but I have no problem with it), but there are a lot of people who see the increased use of Spanish and seem threatened in some way with it. I just don't get that.
I never said it was a threat. I said it was different (a first). American business/gov't has to nationally cater to a specific immigrant population by using their language in addition to our own. It's just an observation on my part.
Nowhere did I say that you said it was a threat. Some people do, which was what I stated.
Wow...how the hell did you comprehend what I said with that statement there? I never said people want to hang out with him. What I did say was that here is someone on the grand political stage that is nothing like the normal. He says what he wants no matter who it might upset. He talks more like people you know than the normal politicians. He is not robotic speaking from a teleprompter but just goes with it. Is that a bad thing? Really....is that a bad thing? According to a lot of people it means something positive to them.
But you go ahead and get on your anti Bush sentiment somewhere else ...because Bush has NOTHING to do with this whatsoever. Good ,bad or indifferent...Nothing.
Some people I swear will just never let that Bush thing go. It was trendy to say that 7 years ago chief. Now get something on...grab your keys...and get outside among the masses and mingle a little. It is 2015 in case you were confused.
Guess I just got caught up that you were quoting me. No prob. Glad you understood my wacky way of thinking
Guess I just got caught up that you were quoting me. No prob. Glad you understood my wacky way of thinking
Ha - no worries. I think we're talking past each other but on the same page.
