Theres been talk of College Football needing CFB Commissioner tonfix the problems

[deadirishpoet]

First do you agree.

Second who do you think can fix CFB

I think Rick Neuheisel (though be picks ND to lose this week, ugh) would be good choice, due to his understanding the game as a player and coach, and being a lawyer he has an understanding of the legal implications. He also comes across level headed

There are probably many good choices but this is mine

 

[savvyandsassier]

I honestly don't think there can by any fixes without collective bargaining. You have to let the players unionize, and voluntarily agree to and be contractually bound by any changes. You can't just impose it on them arbitrarily. That's what's illegal, and what the SCOTUS ruled against 9-0. It was what the NCAA used to do, indeed that's why the NCAA was formed, and it was a complete scandal, and was always illegal, and eventually the edifice collapsed. So it's not a surprise that things are chaotic in the aftermath. And continued attempts to impose martial law will be similarly rejected.

I personally think the NCAA should be abolished and done away with, at least as far as revenue sports go. They are far too tarnished and culturally and institutionally evil and poisonous to continue. And you can just form a new governing body, with a commissioner if you'd like, with collective bargaining and presumably full 50/50 revenue sharing, not this sorry-ass 20% that the NCAA is trying to preemptively foist upon the players, like the inveterate criminal scumbags they are. And then after the players get what they want, which is basically half the pie, without going into any of the obvious dauntingly myriad details of whatever the salary/payment arrangement would be, the schools/programs can make their demands on transfer restrictions and contractual stipulations that work for them, and anything else agreed upon so that we could have roster stability, and it would simply be full professionalization. And all the terms would be worked out, and then we're good to go.

But the NCAA doesn't want to do that because they are the devil. They are the slavemasters, and they want to cling and hold on to their economically dominant and eploitative position, and you'll have to pry it from their cold dead hands. They need to be abolished. And we can make a fresh start.

 

[theskibro]

First do you agree.

Second who does you think can fix CFB

I think Rick Neuheisel (though be picks ND to lose this week, ugh) would be good choice, due to his understanding the game as a player and coach, and being a lawyer he has an understanding of the legal implications. He also comes across level headed

There are probably many good choices but this is mine

I am not a fan of neuheisel. Feel he is weak. Perhaps I am wrong but that’s my impression. I feel strongly that the only thing that will fix nil and college sports is congressional action

A commissioner may appear to be a solution but the present commissioners of conferences like sec n big have corrupted the 12 team playoff by insisting on auto bids resulting in joke teams like Clemson getting in instead of teams with better records Merit doesn’t matter

So why would a commissioner for all teams be any different We need rules that can be followed by either a commissioner or the ncaa and congress needs to do that by creating rules on nil, merit based playoffs, gender specific competition, etc

 

[savvyandsassier]

I am not a fan of neuheisel. Feel he is weak. Perhaps I am wrong but that’s my impression. I feel strongly that the only thing that will fix nil and college sports is congressional action

A commissioner may appear to be a solution but the present commissioners of conferences like sec n big have corrupted the 12 team playoff by insisting on auto bids resulting in joke teams like Clemson getting in instead of teams with better records Merit doesn’t matter

So why would a commissioner for all teams be any different We need rules that can be followed by either a commissioner or the ncaa and congress needs to do that by creating rules on nil, merit based playoffs, gender specific competition, etc

Right, you're on the side of the slavemasters and the NCAA. And that is the end run, and the only recourse that could maybe allow them to legally hold onto to their dominant, exploitative position, even though at this point that's obviously completely unrealistic. A literal act of congress. A special exception that says we are going to suspend the normal laws and precedents and basic civil rights so that colleges like ND can continue financially raping their own players. And so it will be done. Even though players are not going to accept going back to the the old system, the ancien regime shall we say of forced amateurism upon pain of expulsion from the sport, after they've been getting paid, finally, rightfully, after all these years.

And while you're at it you're going to get them to get rid of autobids as well by congressional fiat. Like a true reactionary ND fan. Classic...

 

[theskibro]

Right, you're on the side of the slavemasters and the NCAA. And that is the end run, and the only recourse that could maybe allow them to legally hold onto to their dominant, exploitative position, even though at this point that's obviously completely unrealistic. A literal act of congress. A special exception that says we are going to suspend the normal laws and precedents and basic civil rights so that colleges like ND can continue financially raping their own players. And so it will be done. Even though players are not going to accept going back to the the old system, the ancien regime shall we say of forced amateurism upon pain of expulsion from the sport, after they've been getting paid, finally, rightfully, after all these years.

And while you're at it you're going to get them to get rid of autobids as well by congressional fiat. Like a true reactionary ND fan. Classic...

Slave masters is inflammatory and not indicative of any organization empowered to manage potential chaos

The ncaa has proven useless Player unions do not apply in a collegiate setting. No one is forcing attendance schools provide a benefit via tuition, board, and a career path to either an occupation or a chance at the nfl. It’s not the nfl with a job for profit model so a union is not the answer. That leaves consensus building to agree on rules and the facilitator imo is congress

 

[deadirishpoet]

I honestly don't think there can by any fixes without collective bargaining. You have to let the players unionize, and voluntarily agree to and be contractually bound by any changes. You can't just impose it on them arbitrarily. That's what's illegal, and what the SCOTUS ruled against 9-0. It was what the NCAA used to do, indeed that's why the NCAA was formed, and it was a complete scandal, and was always illegal, and eventually the edifice collapsed. So it's not a surprise that things are chaotic in the aftermath. And continued attempts to impose martial law will be similarly rejected.

I personally think the NCAA should be abolished and done away with, at least as far as revenue sports go. They are far too tarnished and culturally and institutionally evil and poisonous to continue. And you can just form a new governing body, with a commissioner if you'd like, with collective bargaining and presumably full 50/50 revenue sharing, not this sorry-ass 20% that the NCAA is trying to preemptively foist upon the players, like the inveterate criminal scumbags they are. And then after the players get what they want, which is basically half the pie, without going into any of the obvious dauntingly myriad details of whatever the salary/payment arrangement would be, the schools/programs can make their demands on transfer restrictions and contractual stipulations that work for them, and anything else agreed upon so that we could have roster stability, and it would simply be full professionalization. And all the terms would be worked out, and then we're good to go.

But the NCAA doesn't want to do that because they are the devil. They are the slavemasters, and they want to cling and hold on to their economically dominant and eploitative position, and you'll have to pry it from their cold dead hands. They need to be abolished. And we can make a fresh start.

Great post
You are absolutely correct. That is the biggest legal hurdle

 

[deadirishpoet]

I am not a fan of neuheisel. Feel he is weak. Perhaps I am wrong but that’s my impression. I feel strongly that the only thing that will fix nil and college sports is congressional action

A commissioner may appear to be a solution but the present commissioners of conferences like sec n big have corrupted the 12 team playoff by insisting on auto bids resulting in joke teams like Clemson getting in instead of teams with better records Merit doesn’t matter

So why would a commissioner for all teams be any different We need rules that can be followed by either a commissioner or the ncaa and congress needs to do that by creating rules on nil, merit based playoffs, gender specific competition, etc

That's why I like Neuheisel.
He's never been affiliated with either the SEC/B10.
He does have a quit demeanor, but I think he has a good take on what's good for college football.
I don't want government to get involved until they can figure out how to fix the debt

 

[deadirishpoet]

Slave masters is inflammatory and not indicative of any organization empowered to manage potential chaos

The ncaa has proven useless Player unions do not apply in a collegiate setting. No one is forcing attendance schools provide a benefit via tuition, board, and a career path to either an occupation or a chance at the nfl. It’s not the nfl with a job for profit model so a union is not the answer. That leaves consensus building to agree on rules and the facilitator imo is congress

"Player unions do not apply in a collegiate setting."

I completely agree. Is it possible to implement a system like "employee owned" to avoid the union isseue

 

[savvyandsassier]

Slave masters is inflammatory and not indicative of any organization empowered to manage potential chaos

The ncaa has proven useless Player unions do not apply in a collegiate setting. No one is forcing attendance schools provide a benefit via tuition, board, and a career path to either an occupation or a chance at the nfl. It’s not the nfl with a job for profit model so a union is not the answer. That leaves consensus building to agree on rules and the facilitator imo is congress

It is a totally fair enough and apt metaphor. You just don't like it because it's unflattering to you. And it because it's not literally identical to outright chattel slavery, you dismiss it and call it 'inflammatory'. It's meant to be inflammatory and it is plenty close enough. There's probably some other more obscure, iniquitous socioeconomic practice that it even more closely resembles, maybe European serfdom, indentured slavery, does that make you feel better?

The reason slavery gets the nod as the analogy of choice, even though these players are not being forced by law to play, is because the majority are poor blacks. And I don't think I need elaborate on that.

 

[savvyandsassier]

"Player unions do not apply in a collegiate setting."

I completely agree. Is it possible to implement a system like "employee owned" to avoid the union isseue

What is so bad about having a players' union, that's what every sports league presumably has to secure the players' interests, pretty standard. I'm guessing there are other university employees that have unions. Like the people who work in the cafeteria, for instance, presumably among others.

So why would that be anathema?

 

[deadirishpoet]

It is a totally fair enough and apt metaphor. You just don't like it because it's unflattering to you. And it because it's not literally identical to outright chattel slavery, you dismiss it and call it 'inflammatory'. It's meant to be inflammatory and it is plenty close enough. There's probably some other more obscure, iniquitous socioeconomic practice that it even more closely resembles, maybe European serfdom, indentured slavery, does that make you feel better?

The reason slavery gets the nod as the analogy of choice, even though these players are not being forced by law to play, is because the majority are poor blacks. And I don't think I need elaborate on that.

"Poor black"?
1 - I'm assuming you just speaking about just D1?
2 - How do you know the majority are poor?
3 - That term should be unflattering to you because the players are running the show now

 

[deadirishpoet]

What is so bad about having a players' union, that's what every sports league presumably has to secure the players' interests, pretty standard. I'm guessing there are other university employees that have unions. Like the people who work in the cafeteria, for instance, presumably among others.

So why would that be anathema?

Strikes in the middle of a season fist of all.
Nothing have driven more business out of the states, and this nation than unions because most upper union leaders do not represent the local membership they are in the pockets of politicians.
I know quit a great deal about this because it has harmed family members.
There is no place in college football for government, or unions

 

[deadirishpoet]

What is so bad about having a players' union, that's what every sports league presumably has to secure the players' interests, pretty standard. I'm guessing there are other university employees that have unions. Like the people who work in the cafeteria, for instance, presumably among others.

So why would that be anathema?

You seemed to fixated on race.
The players interest should be focused on graduating don't you think.
Since the players are running the show now you must be feeling giddy

 

[savvyandsassier]

"Poor black"?
1 - I'm assuming you just speaking about just D1?
2 - How do you know the majority are poor?
3 - That turn should be unflattering to you because the players are running the show now

Yeah, I'm speaking about D-1. That's the revenue sport. The only way you can be exploited economically, is if there's money being denied to your or stolen from you, by some unjust, illegal policy. D-2 football is not a revenue sport. So those players are not being exploited. You get that, right? The exploitation is the schools keeping all these millions and billions of dollars that big time, televised FB and BB is generating, and in the case of the NCAA, not simply cutting the players out of all the money and keeping it all for themselves which isn't illegal, but even instituting a completely contrived and unnatural concept of 'amateurism', as a fig leaf for their racket, and expelling all players who don't agree to pseudo-legally abandoning their right to make any money at all, if it is any way is invidiously deemed to be connected to their existence as athletes. It is raw, naked, unapologetic, explicit, extremely crude exploitation. And that's what's illegal. And thus why we got NIL, because the schools were arrogating to themselves even all the money to be made off of the individual players' personal identity and 'likeness'. They were stripping them clean. And the SCOTUS essentially made them at least relinquish that much. As far as revenue sharing, players have to organize and strike for that. The NCAA is crudely attempting to forestall that by splitting with the athletes a paltry 20 percent, and then adding insult to injury by sharing that 20% with non revenue athletes, who will now receive an actual income, even though their sports do not generate any revenue, and taking it out of the monies that should be solely going to revenue-producing athletes.

And that's why the NCAA has to go, because they are incorrigible, and at every turn, no matter how indubitably the jig is finally up, they prove themselves to be the economic archenemy of football and basketball players, and seemingly want to hurt them financially as a matter of deeply ingrained institutional principle. And they made NIL as restrictive and limited as possible, almost as an open insult and gesture of hostility to the players, which fortunately enough, enthusiastic boosters ignored and did indeed use as a recruiting inducement, even though there was no ethical reason for the NCAA to forbid that. And of course the NCAA doesn't bother enforcing these indefensible, arbitrary rules, because they would and do lose every time the their illegal, bad-faith tactics come before a judge.

 

[savvyandsassier]

You seemed to fixated on race.
The players interest should be focused on graduating don't you think.
Since the players are running the show now you must be feeling giddy

I'm not 'fixating' on race at all, it's just an absolute matter of fact. Poor black athletes make up a huge chunk of revenue-producing athletes that are being so heinously exploited, and the American south is the heartland of the sport of tackle football. And thus it's perfectly apropos to compare it to slavery and to make note of the socioeconomic and racial status of a very large contingent of the players being exploited. Even though it wouldn't matter if they were all rich kids, the racket would of course be exactly the same.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Yeah, I'm speaking about D-1. That's the revenue sport. The only way you can be exploited economically, is if there's money being denied to your or stolen from you, by some unjust, illegal policy. D-2 football is not a revenue sport. So those players are not being exploited. You get that, right? The exploitation is the schools keeping all these millions and billions of dollars that big time, televised FB and BB is generating, and in the case of the NCAA, not simply cutting the players out of all the money and keeping it all for themselves which isn't illegal, but even instituting a completely contrived and unnatural concept of 'amateurism', as a fig leaf for their racket, and expelling all players who don't agree to pseudo-legally abandoning their right to make any money at all, if it is any way is invidiously deemed to be connected to their existence as athletes. It is raw, naked, unapologetic, explicit, extremely crude exploitation. And that's what's illegal. And thus why we got NIL, because the schools were arrogating to themselves even all the money to be made off of the individual players' personal identity and 'likeness'. They were stripping them clean. And the SCOTUS essentially made them at least relinquish that much. As far as revenue sharing, players have to organize and strike for that. The NCAA is crudely attempting to forestall that by splitting with the athletes a paltry 20 percent, and then adding insult to injury by sharing that 20% with non revenue athletes, who will now receive an actual income, even though their sports do not generate any revenue, and taking it out of the monies that should be solely going to revenue-producing athletes.

And that's why the NCAA has to go, because they are incorrigible, and at every turn, no matter how indubitably the jig is finally up, they prove themselves to be the economic archenemy of football and basketball players, and seemingly want to hurt them financially as a matter of deeply ingrained institutional principle. And they made NIL as restrictive and limited as possible, almost as an open insult and gesture of hostility to the players, which fortunately enough, enthusiastic boosters ignored and did indeed use as a recruiting inducement, even though there was no ethical reason for the NCAA to forbid that. And of course the NCAA doesn't bother enforcing these indefensible, arbitrary rules, because they would and do lose every time the their illegal, bad-faith tactics come before a judge.

How can be given an opportunity to better your life with a scholarship in a field of your choice being taken advantage of?
Such short-sightedness is surprising, and now they players have all the power so blow your horn as we watch the few disrupt the programs the agreed to be a part of

 

[perseverare]

First do you agree.

Second who do you think can fix CFB

I think Rick Neuheisel (though be picks ND to lose this week, ugh) would be good choice, due to his understanding the game as a player and coach, and being a lawyer he has an understanding of the legal implications. He also comes across level headed

There are probably many good choices but this is mine

probably too late and insincere

 

[deadirishpoet]

I'm not 'fixating' on race at all, it's just an absolute matter of fact. Poor black athletes make up a huge chunk of revenue-producing athletes that are being so heinously exploited, and the American south is the heartland of the sport of tackle football. And thus it's perfectly apropos to compare it to slavery and to make note of the socioeconomic and racial status of a very large contingent of the players being exploited. Even though it wouldn't matter if they were all rich kids, the racket would of course be exactly the same.

That such bullshit. No one is being exploited.
If they chose not go better themselves in the long term by not getting an education shame on them and to only focus on where to jump to to try to get to the NFL is narrow minded.
BTW you are fixated on race which makes your point ring hollow and does little to progress the the issue

 

[savvyandsassier]

How can be given an opportunity to better your life with a scholarship in a field of your choice being taken advantage of?
Such short-sightedness is surprising, and now they players have all the power so blow your horn as we watch the few disrupt the programs the agreed to be a part of

Yeah, well, it is. So easy a child could understand. You have to be willfully incredulous to not understand.

 

[deadirishpoet]

You think this whole situation is that easy?
I think you are the one who might be willfully incredulous to not understand how complex this issue is and to allow government controlled unions is not the answer unless you support uprooting the whole system, and if that the case, an actual NFL minor league might be the answer

 

[CFFan1971]

I stop reading every time says "slavery" regarding college athletics. It's beyond ridiculous and an insult to anyone that endured or is currently enduring actual slavery. It doesn't matter how mad someone is, it's beyond stupid to call it slavery.

Slavery
: the practice or institution of holding people as chattel involuntarily and under threat of violence

That said, Players should be able to Unionize and collectively bargain.