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When are these athletes going to protest all of the senseless, and seemingly, unending black-on-black shooting deaths in Chicago?

These guys only protest for black men that commit crimes and get shot by white officers.

When a black cop allegedly kills Freddie Gray in Baltimore, the story dies out pretty quickly. When a black policeman is nearly shot to death in Milwaukee by a black, male drug dealer, the incident gets very little press.
 
When are these athletes going to protest all of the senseless, and seemingly, unending black-on-black shooting deaths in Chicago?

These guys only protest for black men that commit crimes and get shot by white officers.

When a black cop allegedly kills Freddie Gray in Baltimore, the story dies out pretty quickly. When a black policeman is nearly shot to death in Milwaukee by a black, male drug dealer, the incident gets very little press.

They aren't going too... Rarely do large groups of people look in the mirror simultaneously and accept blame for issues within their own group, race, institution, etc, etc, and make efforts to radically change. It's much easier to play the victim card and lay the blame on someone else or ignore the issue all together. In case you haven't noticed, human beings tend to take the easiest way out most of the time and history has shown this to be the case... Nobody wants to look in the mirror and admit fault. In general, we're not well built for it.

It's no different than the Catholic Church that I grew up a proud member of sheltering child molesters and largely downplaying abuse issues within its ranks. Meanwhile, most of us Catholics continued attend mass and support our church community because we knew that we shared no values with those that would abuse children. Doesn't change the fact that we were part of an organisation that was sheltering child abusers, and we knew it... The world isn't black and white. Issues are complicated. And again, It's difficult for people to take blame for every other person who shares an identifiable quality with them. After all, we are all free willed individuals and it can be difficult to turn on those that theoretically support you.

I'll give you another example... It's undoubltledly the case that if America banned guns all together (every state), there would be wayyyyyy less shooting deaths in the United States (over time). That has happened in every single industrialized country that has banned guns for any purpose other than hunting. That model has been a great success. And I'm not talking about a state banning guns, when their are thousands of them in the next state over that easily can cross between State boarders. I'm talking about countries that have very, very, few shooting deaths because of a national gun ban. It's highly effective... That said, try getting most proud gun owning Americans to admit to the fact that the reason America has so many shooting deaths is because of the amount of guns in the country. Not because is clinically sick people. Not because of guns restrictions. Not because of background checks... But because there is easy access to guns. Most gun owners are good people though. Most gun owners have no interest I killing people with them. Because of that, they don't identify with people who use guns maliciously towards their neighbours, and, therefore, guns can't be the problem in their mind, it must be a unique American gene that makes everyone with one crazy... No, countries that don't have guns don't have shooting deaths. Countries where everyone has guns, they have lots of shooting deaths. That's about the simplest concept to understand, but people are in serious denial.

So why don't they protest black crime in America? Especially black on black crime? Because it doesn't fit the narrative and because they are human beings. And humans are infamous for avoiding the issues of the group(s) we identify with because It's easier, and more "black and white" to point the finger at somebody else.

JMO... As a white, male, gun owning, law abiding, Christian, who comes from a middle class family and who worked 3 jobs and as many as 90 hours per week for a number of years to get an education and get to where I am.
 
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Or, possibly, the OP realizes college football in terms of proper priority.
Interesting thing about mirrors IIO. I am watch this series on Starz called "Power".

The director intentionally has the character looking at themselves in a mirror throughout the episodes to make the point you are making.
 
Interesting thing about mirrors IIO. I am watch this series on Starz called "Power".

The director intentionally has the character looking at themselves in a mirror throughout the episodes to make the point you are making.

Cool, I'll check it out.

Professor Peterson from the University of Toronto has some great stuff on this as well. He talks at great length about this... His stance is that we should focus on ourselves and being the best person we can be and not worry about identifiable factors that would group us with others. Doing so creates the grounds for us to claim moral superiority towards others and point the finger at them instead or realising our own faults, and the faults of those within our own culture, community, group, organization, etc, etc... When everybody wants to deflect criticism towards somebody else, rather than looking in the mirror and improving oneself, we create a world of finger pointing that will be met with finger pointing, which escalates (predictably) to violence.
 
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The Irish are playing well, so lets go back to bitching about race based politics until the next loss.
ND football is on Saturday. I'll be there. Also, I can't wait for the USC game.

I'm serious about my question though. I've grown tired of the bs being pushed by LeBron and co. It's time for this country to sit down and have a grown up conversation.

These athletes are dividing the country and pushing a narrow-minded agenda. I disagree with President Trump on some issues. I feel very safe in this country. But, when I travel to visit relatives in Chicago I get a little apprehensive.

Why won't anyone do something to stop the senseless gun violence there? These athletes have an opportunity to push for change. None of them talk about it!!!!! Why?
 
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When are these athletes going to protest all of the senseless, and seemingly, unending black-on-black shooting deaths in Chicago?

These guys only protest for black men that commit crimes and get shot by white officers.

When a black cop allegedly kills Freddie Gray in Baltimore, the story dies out pretty quickly. When a black policeman is nearly shot to death in Milwaukee by a black, male drug dealer, the incident gets very little press.


When the black male drug dealer shot a policeman did he get put on paid administrative leave and was there a refusal to charge him with a crime? If that happened there should have been outrage and considerable press coverage.
 
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ND football is on Saturday. I'll be there. Also, I can't wait for the USC game.

I'm serious about my question though. I've grown tired of the bs being pushed by LeBron and co. It's time for this country to sit down and have a grown up conversation.

These athletes are dividing the country and pushing a narrow-minded agenda. I disagree with President Trump on some issues. I feel very safe in this country. But, when I travel to visit relatives in Chicago I get a little apprehensive.

Why won't anyone do something to stop the senseless gun violence there? These athletes have an opportunity to push for change. None of them talk about it!!!!! Why?
Trump created the firestorm we had yesterday. His reckless behavior rekindled something that was slowly going away on its own.what a dope.
 
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Typical response. You're only willing to listen to your side. Alt-right? Please. You're not able to have a big boy conversation I see.
 
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When the black male drug dealer shot a policeman did he get put on paid administrative leave and was there a refusal to charge him with a crime? If that happened there should have been outrage and considerable press coverage.
I still see no solutions from your side about the black-on-black crime in Chicago. Typical.

I do see a white officer rotting in jail right now for shooting a black man in the back in South Carolina a couple of years ago.

Not all incidents are created equal. That's something the BLM backers don't understand. Learn the facts then get back to me.
 
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I still see no solutions from your side about the black-on-black crime in Chicago. Typical.

I do see a white officer rotting in jail right now for shooting a black man in the back in South Carolina a couple of years ago.

Not all incidents are created equal. That's something the BLM backers don't understand. Learn the facts then get back to me.
Perhaps if there was more listening. Some Pro-Trump people recently tried it at a Trump rally which I commend them for.
 
Trump created the firestorm we had yesterday. His reckless behavior rekindled something that was slowly going away on its own.what a dope.
Typical "head in the sand/kick the can" mentality. It was not going it's own way thanks to the media sensationalizing these side shows by a bunch of professsional jocks. They have been allowed this circus arena because no one has stood up to them and their fellow travelers in the fantasy entertainment world. 90% of them are clueless as to what the underlying issues are and have no desire to really fix the problems at their roots.
 
ND football is on Saturday. I'll be there. Also, I can't wait for the USC game.

I'm serious about my question though. I've grown tired of the bs being pushed by LeBron and co. It's time for this country to sit down and have a grown up conversation.

These athletes are dividing the country and pushing a narrow-minded agenda. I disagree with President Trump on some issues. I feel very safe in this country. But, when I travel to visit relatives in Chicago I get a little apprehensive.

Why won't anyone do something to stop the senseless gun violence there? These athletes have an opportunity to push for change. None of them talk about it!!!!! Why?

When I posted my previous message, there were 5 or so threads out of the first 10 addressing the player protests in some fashion or another. Many seem tired of politics being mixed in too heavily with their football. I feel the same about politics on this board, which has created ongoing animosities which taint the discussion of other topics - topics for which the board was created.

In the off-season I spent some time discussing some things about Chicago with DIP, though I loathe discussing politics on the internet, because I was confident in his willingness to engage in thoughtful discussion. And it was the off-season. Given the tone of some of your comments, I really don't have that confidence with you.

There's no quick fix for Chicago.The City exacerbated a growing problem when it tore down all of the city's high rise low income projects over a ten year period between 1995 to 2005. It was needed because many were gang and drug infested, but it meant relocating about 50,000 low income residents. The plan was to redevelop the properties through incentives with private developers - some of which were in valuable areas - with mixed income housing. Developers built the mid-income and luxury housing, but not the low income housing. Its the subject of ongoing litigation. Many other neighborhoods during that period were "gentrifying"with redevelopment - some of it fueled by some pretty stupid and unsustainable lending practices. There were also tons of foreclosures, which were a boon for landlords due to increased demand and drove rental prices up. I moved when my last annual proposed rent increase was 35%, which in total would have represented a total 120% increase over a 10 year period. And the people like me that moved to more affordable neighborhoods ended up displacing working class and low income residents, which further stressed a growing affordable housing problem. All that resulted in higher population densities in some very poor neighborhoods that people couldn't escape, with relocated gang members fighting for limited territories and an expanding customer base to victimize, which resulted in an increased police presence. IMO, the city needs to work very hard to create enforceable incentives for the development of small, manageable, low income housing throughout the city to reduce the density of some of these terribly poor and dangerous neighborhoods.

The city also needs to heal some very real wounds between the police and the black population. For example, in 2010, old wounds were tore open during the federal perjury trial of Jon Burge, a Chicago Police Commander who was responsible for the torture - including electrocution and burning - of around 200 black males on Chicago's South Side to extract confessions. Some of those men were placed on death row. He was fired for torture after a police commission determined he engaged in it, but Burge was never charged with any crimes for the torture. Instead, the 2011 trial - nearly 20 years after Burge was fired - was about perjury in a civil suit against him and the city that alleged they covered up the torture (the perjured testimony lead to a hung jury on the civil suit). Several men sitting in jail for a very long time were exonerated of crimes they were forced to confess to. Burge ended up serving three and a half years (he was sentenced to four and a half) for the perjury, cost the City well over $110 Million in legal fees and legal settlements, some innocent men were convicted,and he is now drawing his City pension.

Burge tortured American citizens for twenty years. If it were not for decades of complaining sheep going all they way back to the late 70's, he wouldn't have spent a single day in prison. Ultimately, reform didn't come from the City. It came from the state and the federal government. George Ryan,a Republican governor, suspended Illinois' Death Penalty as a result an investigation into it, and Obama, then a Democratic State Senator, pushed a bill through the state to require homicide interrogations to be videotaped, the state also developed a state torture commission to address complaints of police torture. The perjury charges were brought by the feds. Burge didn't act alone, but no else ever went to jail. What little justice was obtained was obtained because sheep kept complaining until someone finally heard them. Nobody wanted to listen to the sheep. Baa . . . .Baa

Continuing issues keep confidence from being restored. Like a former detective who last December filed a disability claim for PTSD from a shooting. While off-duty, the detective yelled - from his car - at a young black woman and her friends for being too loud in the park. (I'm not sugarcoating anything here). He ended up shooting the woman in the back of the head (killing her) and hit another in the group in the thumb. The group had their backs turned to him when the off duty detective had fired the shots over his shoulder from his car, but he claimed he fired because he saw a gun. No gun was recovered He was the first officer charged for a shooting in over a decade, and he went free. The prosecutors manslaughter charge was that he recklessly shot into the group. The judge found that evidence showed intentional - not reckless - action, so there was no evidence of reckless conduct to support a manslaughter conviction. Let that sink in. To preserve his pension, he resigned two days before a police board hearing about whether he should be fired for the off-duty shooting. Now he wants disability pay of over $75,000 / year until he can collect his pension. (he was getting paid $104K/year) . Let that sink in too.
 
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^^^^No gun the above scenario. But in late July of this year, an interesting story about a gun broke from a federal lawsuit arising from a 2012 fatal police shooting. The dead guy was a convicted gang member shot by a Cicero officer, just outside Chicago's city limits. The gun was found next the the dead guy's body. Apparently, the gangbanger was riding a bicycle, and an officer got out of his car and chased him down on foot, when apparently the gangbanger took aim at a second officer who was driving by in an unmarked car. The pursuing officer shot and killed the gangbanger. The second officer - the son of a former police chief that was convicted for corruption - corroborated the story. Sounds like a real hero.

What's that got to do with Chicago? Well sheep starting complaining, predictably spinning another story of a troubled angel who of course would never have been carrying a gun. The story we hear so often that we tune it out in this city. Under two years of relentless pressure by these stubborn sheep, the State Police finally asked the Feds to trace the gun, which ultimately was traced back to a well respected Chicago judge. It turns out that 8 years prior to the shooting, the Judge had turned the gun into the Chicago Police Department in one of Chicago's gun buyback programs. He was setting a community example. But these silly stubborn sheep still weren't satisfied. They kept asking dumb questions, like how did a gun that was turned into the Chicago Police Department by a respected Chicago judge and marked for destruction by the Police Department end up lying next to a dead gangbanger on a Cicero street. Somehow, this story was pretty much kept under wraps until these annoying sheep filed a lawsuit alleging the gun was planted at the scene to justify the shooting.

Oh, and the officer that shot the gangbanger . . . the lawsuit revealed that in a previous police job the officer had been investigated for using a high powered rifle during a routine traffic stop, which while weird, didn't get him canned. Later, however, he was leaving a bar at 3am and was clocked doing 90mph in a 30 mph zone. He refused to stop for the first patrol car, so two other cars joined the chase. When arrested at gunpoint, he threatened the arresting officers if they gave him a ticket. The next day he tried to coerce the police chief into voiding the ticket. He ultimately resigned. He lied about all that in his Cicero job application, and when lies were unearthed he resigned before he could be fired. Then he made a disability claim, which was approved, due to PTSD resulting from the shooting.

Are Chicago Police actually selling guns marked for destruction to local gangbangers? Or are they handing them out to area police to keep as throwaways? Whatever's going on, I'm glad some sheep are complaining.Personally, I'd really like to know. Seriously.

I have a lot of respect for Chicago Police officers and the job they do. I don't particularly like discussing the department's problems, and what I discuss above doesn't even scratch the surface. I know the 4 officers that regularly patrol my neighborhood (they run in pairs in Chicago and I'm active in community event where I also run into them). I'm amazed at how professional they are when responding to some seriously bad and provocative attitudes. But there are some bad officers around, and like gang members, they absolutely will not rat on one their own. If somehow I was accidentally shot, I seriously doubt that any officer, even these guys I know, would tell my father or my children what truly happened. And the City doesn't want them to. They want crime under control, and they don't want lawsuits. And not necessarily in that order. It undermines public trust and leaves some residents afraid of both gangbangers and police, which only benefits the bad guys.

IMO, the City spent twenty years relocating gang and drug problems to less visible communities where they could be ignored, but it never properly addressed the underlying crime and it turned a blind eye to some serious abuses of police power. Crime, whatever its source, should be a problem government and the police are responsible for addressing, and it requires both public trust and accountability. This notion that "black on black" crime is somehow a problem for the "black community" is, IMO, part of what's made the problem unmanageable. And I really don't think the "black community" can solve it by taking a good hard look in the mirror. I think that's a damaging way to address it. Crime and abuses of governmental power are not your side vs my side problem. Its a "We the People" problem.

Again, I truly loathe talking politics with anonymous people on the internet, especially when I'd rather be discussing football. I'm only doing it now to distract myself from introducing my 45 year old banker neighbor to some white-on-white crime over his presently raging late night electronic house music marathon. Neighborhood's going to hell.
 
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Chicago has been under control of the democrats for over 20 years now. Why is it still a shithole if the dems help so much? Why is crime out of control? , poverty, drugs, etc. It seems to me that whenever the dems get their hands on something it goes to shit yet continue to blame someone else.
 
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When are these athletes going to protest all of the senseless, and seemingly, unending black-on-black shooting deaths in Chicago?

These guys only protest for black men that commit crimes and get shot by white officers.

When a black cop allegedly kills Freddie Gray in Baltimore, the story dies out pretty quickly. When a black policeman is nearly shot to death in Milwaukee by a black, male drug dealer, the incident gets very little press.


The media is done in America. 95% plus are registered Democrats. Look no further then this refugee from Sudan. He walks into a place of worship to commit a terrorist act. He kills only one old white woman. Thank God the usher was armed or this could be a mass shooting. Where is the non stop incessant media coverage? It doesn't fit the national or local media narrative. Uh oh a poor immigrant black from Sudan kills a whitey? Bury that mofo story. Let's continue to cater to the unwashed
 
Typical "head in the sand/kick the can" mentality. It was not going it's own way thanks to the media sensationalizing these side shows by a bunch of professsional jocks. They have been allowed this circus arena because no one has stood up to them and their fellow travelers in the fantasy entertainment world. 90% of them are clueless as to what the underlying issues are and have no desire to really fix the problems at their roots.
did he or did he not inflame the kneeling issue ? 6 players knelt in week two. how many this past sunday after 45s reckless commentary ?
 
^^^^No gun the above scenario. But in late July of this year, an interesting story about a gun broke from a federal lawsuit arising from a 2012 fatal police shooting. The dead guy was a convicted gang member shot by a Cicero officer, just outside Chicago's city limits. The gun was found next the the dead guy's body. Apparently, the gangbanger was riding a bicycle, and an officer got out of his car and chased him down on foot, when apparently the gangbanger took aim at a second officer who was driving by in an unmarked car. The pursuing officer shot and killed the gangbanger. The second officer - the son of a former police chief that was convicted for corruption - corroborated the story. Sounds like a real hero.

What's that got to do with Chicago? Well sheep starting complaining, predictably spinning another story of a troubled angel who of course would never have been carrying a gun. The story we hear so often that we tune it out in this city. Under two years of relentless pressure by these stubborn sheep, the State Police finally asked the Feds to trace the gun, which ultimately was traced back to a well respected Chicago judge. It turns out that 8 years prior to the shooting, the Judge had turned the gun into the Chicago Police Department in one of Chicago's gun buyback programs. He was setting a community example. But these silly stubborn sheep still weren't satisfied. They kept asking dumb questions, like how did a gun that was turned into the Chicago Police Department by a respected Chicago judge and marked for destruction by the Police Department end up lying next to a dead gangbanger on a Cicero street. Somehow, this story was pretty much kept under wraps until these annoying sheep filed a lawsuit alleging the gun was planted at the scene to justify the shooting.

Oh, and the officer that shot the gangbanger . . . the lawsuit revealed that in a previous police job the officer had been investigated for using a high powered rifle during a routine traffic stop, which while weird, didn't get him canned. Later, however, he was leaving a bar at 3am and was clocked doing 90mph in a 30 mph zone. He refused to stop for the first patrol car, so two other cars joined the chase. When arrested at gunpoint, he threatened the arresting officers if they gave him a ticket. The next day he tried to coerce the police chief into voiding the ticket. He ultimately resigned. He lied about all that in his Cicero job application, and when lies were unearthed he resigned before he could be fired. Then he made a disability claim, which was approved, due to PTSD resulting from the shooting.

Are Chicago Police actually selling guns marked for destruction to local gangbangers? Or are they handing them out to area police to keep as throwaways? Whatever's going on, I'm glad some sheep are complaining.Personally, I'd really like to know. Seriously.

I have a lot of respect for Chicago Police officers and the job they do. I don't particularly like discussing the department's problems, and what I discuss above doesn't even scratch the surface. I know the 4 officers that regularly patrol my neighborhood (they run in pairs in Chicago and I'm active in community event where I also run into them). I'm amazed at how professional they are when responding to some seriously bad and provocative attitudes. But there are some bad officers around, and like gang members, they absolutely will not rat on one their own. If somehow I was accidentally shot, I seriously doubt that any officer, even these guys I know, would tell my father or my children what truly happened. And the City doesn't want them to. They want crime under control, and they don't want lawsuits. And not necessarily in that order. It undermines public trust and leaves some residents afraid of both gangbangers and police, which only benefits the bad guys.

IMO, the City spent twenty years relocating gang and drug problems to less visible communities where they could be ignored, but it never properly addressed the underlying crime and it turned a blind eye to some serious abuses of police power. Crime, whatever its source, should be a problem government and the police are responsible for addressing, and it requires both public trust and accountability. This notion that "black on black" crime is somehow a problem for the "black community" is, IMO, part of what's made the problem unmanageable. And I really don't think the "black community" can solve it by taking a good hard look in the mirror. I think that's a damaging way to address it. Crime and abuses of governmental power are not your side vs my side problem. Its a "We the People" problem.

Again, I truly loathe talking politics with anonymous people on the internet, especially when I'd rather be discussing football. I'm only doing it now to distract myself from introducing my 45 year old banker neighbor to some white-on-white crime over his presently raging late night electronic house music marathon. Neighborhood's going to hell.

Well read story, and what a great point.
 
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I wonder what all the kneeler sympatizers would say if certain ND players stretched, fist pump, or knelt down during the playing of the Alma Mater? If any disrespect was shown?
 
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They aren't going too... Rarely do large groups of people look in the mirror simultaneously and accept blame for issues within their own group, race, institution, etc, etc, and make efforts to radically change. It's much easier to play the victim card and lay the blame on someone else or ignore the issue all together. In case you haven't noticed, human beings tend to take the easiest way out most of the time and history has shown this to be the case... Nobody wants to look in the mirror and admit fault. In general, we're not well built for it.

It's no different than the Catholic Church that I grew up a proud member of sheltering child molesters and largely downplaying abuse issues within its ranks. Meanwhile, most of us Catholics continued attend mass and support our church community because we knew that we shared no values with those that would abuse children. Doesn't change the fact that we were part of an organisation that was sheltering child abusers, and we knew it... The world isn't black and white. Issues are complicated. And again, It's difficult for people to take blame for every other person who shares an identifiable quality with them. After all, we are all free willed individuals and it can be difficult to turn on those that theoretically support you.

I'll give you another example... It's undoubltledly the case that if America banned guns all together (every state), there would be wayyyyyy less shooting deaths in the United States (over time). That has happened in every single industrialized country that has banned guns for any purpose other than hunting. That model has been a great success. And I'm not talking about a state banning guns, when their are thousands of them in the next state over that easily can cross between State boarders. I'm talking about countries that have very, very, few shooting deaths because of a national gun ban. It's highly effective... That said, try getting most proud gun owning Americans to admit to the fact that the reason America has so many shooting deaths is because of the amount of guns in the country. Not because is clinically sick people. Not because of guns restrictions. Not because of background checks... But because there is easy access to guns. Most gun owners are good people though. Most gun owners have no interest I killing people with them. Because of that, they don't identify with people who use guns maliciously towards their neighbours, and, therefore, guns can't be the problem in their mind, it must be a unique American gene that makes everyone with one crazy... No, countries that don't have guns don't have shooting deaths. Countries where everyone has guns, they have lots of shooting deaths. That's about the simplest concept to understand, but people are in serious denial.

So why don't they protest black crime in America? Especially black on black crime? Because it doesn't fit the narrative and because they are human beings. And humans are infamous for avoiding the issues of the group(s) we identify with because It's easier, and more "black and white" to point the finger at somebody else.

JMO... As a white, male, gun owning, law abiding, Christian, who comes from a middle class family and who worked 3 jobs and as many as 90 hours per week for a number of years to get an education and get to where I am.
First and foremost. There is no such thing as black on black crime. Crime is crime.
 
First and foremost. There is no such thing as black on black crime. Crime is crime.

Agree 100%. However, in the political landscape in which we live, I find it exceptionally useful to talk about real issues in society. If you don't think the murder rate in predominantly black communities is disturbing, we're clearly not on the same page. In order for a society to collectively approach solutions to problems, we first have to identify and agree on what the problem is. Instead of chasing ghosts let's comes up with practical solutions, to obvious problems.
 
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Agree 100%. However, in the political landscape in which we live, I find it exceptionally useful to talk about real issues in society. If you don't think the murder rate in predominantly black communities is disturbing, we're clearly not on the same page. In order for a society to collectively approach solutions to problems, we first have to identify and agree on what the problem is. Instead of chasing ghosts let's comes up with practical solutions, to obvious problems.

I haven't been to many white on white crime protests recently. You?
 
I haven't been to many white on white crime protests recently. You?

Negative. I think It's an accurate observation that in 2017 predominantly Caucasian neighbourhoods across North America don't generally have high murder rates and gun violence.
 
Decades ago I was involved in an effort to get high profile black male athletes
^^^^No gun the above scenario. But in late July of this year, an interesting story about a gun broke from a federal lawsuit arising from a 2012 fatal police shooting. The dead guy was a convicted gang member shot by a Cicero officer, just outside Chicago's city limits. The gun was found next the the dead guy's body. Apparently, the gangbanger was riding a bicycle, and an officer got out of his car and chased him down on foot, when apparently the gangbanger took aim at a second officer who was driving by in an unmarked car. The pursuing officer shot and killed the gangbanger. The second officer - the son of a former police chief that was convicted for corruption - corroborated the story. Sounds like a real hero.

What's that got to do with Chicago? Well sheep starting complaining, predictably spinning another story of a troubled angel who of course would never have been carrying a gun. The story we hear so often that we tune it out in this city. Under two years of relentless pressure by these stubborn sheep, the State Police finally asked the Feds to trace the gun, which ultimately was traced back to a well respected Chicago judge. It turns out that 8 years prior to the shooting, the Judge had turned the gun into the Chicago Police Department in one of Chicago's gun buyback programs. He was setting a community example. But these silly stubborn sheep still weren't satisfied. They kept asking dumb questions, like how did a gun that was turned into the Chicago Police Department by a respected Chicago judge and marked for destruction by the Police Department end up lying next to a dead gangbanger on a Cicero street. Somehow, this story was pretty much kept under wraps until these annoying sheep filed a lawsuit alleging the gun was planted at the scene to justify the shooting.

Oh, and the officer that shot the gangbanger . . . the lawsuit revealed that in a previous police job the officer had been investigated for using a high powered rifle during a routine traffic stop, which while weird, didn't get him canned. Later, however, he was leaving a bar at 3am and was clocked doing 90mph in a 30 mph zone. He refused to stop for the first patrol car, so two other cars joined the chase. When arrested at gunpoint, he threatened the arresting officers if they gave him a ticket. The next day he tried to coerce the police chief into voiding the ticket. He ultimately resigned. He lied about all that in his Cicero job application, and when lies were unearthed he resigned before he could be fired. Then he made a disability claim, which was approved, due to PTSD resulting from the shooting.

Are Chicago Police actually selling guns marked for destruction to local gangbangers? Or are they handing them out to area police to keep as throwaways? Whatever's going on, I'm glad some sheep are complaining.Personally, I'd really like to know. Seriously.

I have a lot of respect for Chicago Police officers and the job they do. I don't particularly like discussing the department's problems, and what I discuss above doesn't even scratch the surface. I know the 4 officers that regularly patrol my neighborhood (they run in pairs in Chicago and I'm active in community event where I also run into them). I'm amazed at how professional they are when responding to some seriously bad and provocative attitudes. But there are some bad officers around, and like gang members, they absolutely will not rat on one their own. If somehow I was accidentally shot, I seriously doubt that any officer, even these guys I know, would tell my father or my children what truly happened. And the City doesn't want them to. They want crime under control, and they don't want lawsuits. And not necessarily in that order. It undermines public trust and leaves some residents afraid of both gangbangers and police, which only benefits the bad guys.

IMO, the City spent twenty years relocating gang and drug problems to less visible communities where they could be ignored, but it never properly addressed the underlying crime and it turned a blind eye to some serious abuses of police power. Crime, whatever its source, should be a problem government and the police are responsible for addressing, and it requires both public trust and accountability. This notion that "black on black" crime is somehow a problem for the "black community" is, IMO, part of what's made the problem unmanageable. And I really don't think the "black community" can solve it by taking a good hard look in the mirror. I think that's a damaging way to address it. Crime and abuses of governmental power are not your side vs my side problem. Its a "We the People" problem.

Again, I truly loathe talking politics with anonymous people on the internet, especially when I'd rather be discussing football. I'm only doing it now to distract myself from introducing my 45 year old banker neighbor to some white-on-white crime over his presently raging late night electronic house music marathon. Neighborhood's going to hell.
irishjd...you may loathe talking politics with anonymous people here, buy sure glad you did!
 
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I still see no solutions from your side about the black-on-black crime in Chicago. Typical.

Because we are in a time period where political correctness trumps (no pun) just about everything else, and there's no way to even talk about that problem, never mind a solution to it, while maintaining any semblance of political correctness, short of blaming all of it on white privilege. So, we don't talk about it, we ignore it like it doesn't exist.
 
I haven't been to many white on white crime protests recently. You?
I believe, in raw numbers, there's more white on white crime than any other categorization. But it isn't concentrated in any specific location, or in any specific crime, it's simply a result of population demographics. Inner city murder rates are both specific to location and specific to crime. And the perpetrators and victims are overwhelmingly black, a category that equates to only 12% of the general population, thus is way out of line with population demographics. There is a difference.
 
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So do you believe that this doesn't exist, or that it's just not protested?

It isn't protested. Just like the black on black crime isn't protested.

Crime is always going to occur between neighbors. So as long as we have predominantly black and predominantly white neighborhoods, we are going to see black on black and white on white crime. And the more poor the neighborhood, the more crime there will be.
 


God Bless America!!!!!!!!!


Great Post, Great Lady, and Great Memories of a time when when people loved America, and
Just about every able bodied man and many women served and put there life on the line for the
Country and flag that we all loved.
No TV in those days, but we all loved listening to The Voice of Kate Smith on the radio !
That was the Greatest Genaration ! Self respect, self responsibility, and love of the Greatest country
On the face of the Earth !
God Bless America ! Thank you Kate Smith !
 
Thanks for the Memories of a great Lady, A Great Song, and a time that not too many on the board have any
Idea of. It was the 1930's and 194o's, the time of the Greatest Generation. They struggled through the
Great Depression. Did not complain, took any work that they could find, family helped family and neighbor
Helped neighbor. Doctors made house calls and were as poor as their patients financially. The Parish
Priest also walked the neighborhood and visited the sick and the dying.
World War Two began , and when the United States entered the war, every abled bodied man put his
Life on the line to serve our great country. Women, children,and older men also did everything possible
for the War effort!
Television came later, but we were all inspired by the Great Voice of Kate Smith on radio!
God Bless America ! God Rest the Greatest Generation who asked for nothing except opportunity, took
Personal responsibility for their own individual actions, and loved our great country and respected our Flag so much that the Marines raising it on Iwo Jima is one of our great
Monuments of all wars.
God Bless America ! Screw the NFL !
 
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This thread would be more appropriate titled sheep worshippers of Trump, when talking about sheep.

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