The Girlfriend Who Didn't Exist - Manti Te'o Story

[beachcardinal]

Have not finished it yet, but it is clear that Manti is a fantastic kids who was cruelly taken advantage of by a very sick person. Unless something changes in part two, the story in the press about him did not do him justice.

 

[iwish]

Nothing changes. He is a great young man who was completely taken advantage of, and paid the ultimate price for it from fan and media reaction, to the slipping in the draft, to it negatively impacting his performance both in the natty game and his first 3 pro seasons. I don't care if you are an Irish fan or not, anyone who isn't feeling horrible for the young man needs to get their head examined.

 

[beachcardinal]

Nothing changes. He is a great young man who was completely taken advantage of, and paid the ultimate price for it from fan and media reaction, to the slipping in the draft, to it negatively impacting his performance both in the natty game and his first 3 pro seasons. I don't care if you are an Irish fan or not, anyone who isn't feeling horrible for the young man needs to get their head examined.

I could not agree more.

 

[echowaker]

Nothing changes. He is a great young man who was completely taken advantage of, and paid the ultimate price for it from fan and media reaction, to the slipping in the draft, to it negatively impacting his performance both in the natty game and his first 3 pro seasons. I don't care if you are an Irish fan or not, anyone who isn't feeling horrible for the young man needs to get their head examined.

True but he allowed it to happen for whatever the reason. Hard to fathom in being truly that naive on any issue. Sad story all the way around.

 

[bizzybecknd]

True but he allowed it to happen for whatever the reason. Hard to fathom in being truly that naive on any issue. Sad story all the way around.

Ehh disagree to some extent: The internet in 2010 was not the animal we know it to be now and ill intent wasn't the first thought for many (catfishing wasn't a thing). Have you been to Laie? A Mormon kid from Laie finding his way to South Bend and having a companion via the internet was mostly likely a simple escape from football, studies and finding comfort in the cultrual similarities. I would venture to say in today's world there are tens of thousands of online relationships where the two have not met in person.

 

[jbm19]

Really time to put it to rest.
he seems to be a great young man , who had an outstanding career at ND !

 

[beachcardinal]

Ehh disagree to some extent: The internet in 2010 was not the animal we know it to be now and ill intent wasn't the first thought for many (catfishing wasn't a thing). Have you been to Laie? A Mormon kid from Laie finding his way to South Bend and having a companion via the internet was mostly likely a simple escape from football, studies and finding comfort in the cultrual similarities. I would venture to say in today's world there are tens of thousands of online relationships where the two have not met in person.

Yeah catfishing wasn't well known them. He actually checked with people who claimed to know her. Naïve but not way complicit or willfully blind.

The only thing you could fault him for was ne learned of it way before he acknlodged it and even repeated the story after he knew it was wrong. But he said he was trying to figure out how to deal with it and seeking advice and I believe him.

 

[Irishjohn68]

If he had just not called this person “his girlfriend” and referred to them just as someone he knew who died this would not be a story.

 

[jcswoopnh]

It was one of the most bizarre stories I've ever seen. So naive . An all star linebacker from ND yet so sheltered in other ways. Regardless he did not deserve this humiliation

 

[HDK]

I believe a number of his teammates seriously doubted the story early on, but I don't know that anyone ever sat him down and said, "Um, Manti, you have a problem to confront."

 

[beachcardinal]

I believe a number of his teammates seriously doubted the story early on, but I don't know that anyone ever sat him down and said, "Um, Manti, you have a problem to confront."

The documentary shows some friends who had doubts, but one of the things he said was "everyone in my life told me what I wanted to hear."

 

[theskibro]

Have not finished it yet, but it is clear that Manti is a fantastic kids who was cruelly taken advantage of by a very sick person. Unless something changes in part two, the story in the press about him did not do him justice.

Yes. U r correct.

 

[Irish_Mutt]

I have not watched it yet but my initial thought when all this came out was that Manti embellished meeting her for sure. Beyond that, it just seemed like a kid who got emotionally attached to someone he had never met. The phone call records proved to me he had, to some degree, bought into the farce if nothing else. How far the embellishment goes from there, I have no clue.

Still love the guy regardless, watching him in an Irish uniform was an honor.

 

[beachcardinal]

I have not watched it yet but my initial thought when all this came out was that Manti embellished meeting her for sure. Beyond that, it just seemed like a kid who got emotionally attached to someone he had never met. The phone call records proved to me he had, to some degree, bought into the farce if nothing else. How far the embellishment goes from there, I have no clue.

Still love the guy regardless, watching him in an Irish uniform was an honor.

It is more understandable if you watch. He really seems to be an incredible person.

 

[88ND]

Have not finished it yet, but it is clear that Manti is a fantastic kids who was cruelly taken advantage of by a very sick person. Unless something changes in part two, the story in the press about him did not do him justice.

Yes. U r correct.

Ya know...the thing that just seemed off to me was the fact he got in a long distance electronic relationship in the first place.
He could've had many girls local to him for noble reasons or looking at him like a $$$ machine. Either way he didn't need to have this electronic relationship with anyone let alone across the country. I thought that in itself was bizarre.
Really rather strange

 

[tkirish]

Here’s the thing that stuck out to me. The kid was scammed. Was he stupid or should I say naïve? Definitely. The “ guy” (smh) who did the scamming, is a jerk. He could have just ended it plain and simple. Why have the girl killed in a car crash? The story as told in the documentary doesn’t add up. It was as if he wanted to humiliate Manti and enjoyed doing it. Then the story breaks because of a leak to a dead spin writer. All of a sudden in a short time it’s National news. Manti is being ridiculed to no end. Being humiliated is an understatement. With all that said , here’s a question. What if Manti wasn’t so strong internally? What if he collapsed under pressure and humiliation and took a permanent way out ? What then ? Does the scammer bear any responsibility ? Manti was never the same on the field. Even to this day after watching that , you can see he’s still affected. The sad part is, he did nothing criminal yet he was treated like one at the time the story broke. Put yourself in his shoes and imagine how you would feel if that happened to you. Look at how it affected his family. It’s one thing to play a joke or to be “ punked ”. The perpetrator usually comes clean , admits the scam and everyone involved has a good laugh. This however, was not that. This was devious, calculating and just downright mean.

 

[1Redrum]

Just finished Part 1....Manti looks good....married, young child...hopefully some money in the bank. Not sure if he can do TV but he should.

 

[BGI User 756]

Have not finished it yet, but it is clear that Manti is a fantastic kids who was cruelly taken advantage of by a very sick person. Unless something changes in part two, the story in the press about him did not do him justice.

The media was bad (as is the norm now)

I found the dead spin part interesting. They wanted it to put the blame on major media and hoax (which was the title of their lead story) was an awful word choice cause they made it just seem like he was in on it, which he wasn’t

 

[bullpride9]

Ya know...the thing that just seemed off to me was the fact he got in a long distance electronic relationship in the first place.
He could've had many girls local to him for noble reasons or looking at him like a $$$ machine. Either way he didn't need to have this electronic relationship with anyone let alone across the country. I thought that in itself was bizarre.
Really rather strange

If you watched it you realize for the most part he was just engaged in a modern day pen pal with a person that created a persona that was everything he wanted in a woman. The online persona was Polynesian/Hawaiian Mormon girl who had many acquaintances in common with Manti. Manti was hanging with other girls, but this person was so persistent to continue this correspondence that he kept hooking him in even when Manti seemed content to let it end at several points. Then when the relationship/correspondence seemed to be wavering he made up the fake car accident and then cancer diagnosis to continue to rope in Manti.
It is truly cruel and bizarre. The saddest part was Manti was trying to mourn the death of his grandmother who he was very close with, and this ass decided to fake Lennay’s death on the same day. Imagine the emotional rollercoaster.

For those that haven’t watched this, what is so galling is this person as a man, would call and disguise his voice as a woman, and then would call Manti to pretend to be her brother to explain her illness and death. This person even called Manti’s parents pretending to be Lennay’s sister and brother. This was WAY WAY WAY, more than just some texts. This person really put together a whole different world and used these different characters to fool Manti. Really quite tragic when you watch this and think about it.

 

[88ND]

Here’s the thing that stuck out to me. The kid was scammed. Was he stupid or should I say naïve? Definitely. The “ guy” (smh) who did the scamming, is a jerk. He could have just ended it plain and simple. Why have the girl killed in a car crash? The story as told in the documentary doesn’t add up. It was as if he wanted to humiliate Manti and enjoyed doing it. Then the story breaks because of a leak to a dead spin writer. All of a sudden in a short time it’s National news. Manti is being ridiculed to no end. Being humiliated is an understatement. With all that said , here’s a question. What if Manti wasn’t so strong internally? What if he collapsed under pressure and humiliation and took a permanent way out ? What then ? Does the scammer bear any responsibility ? Manti was never the same on the field. Even to this day after watching that , you can see he’s still affected. The sad part is, he did nothing criminal yet he was treated like one at the time the story broke. Put yourself in his shoes and imagine how you would feel if that happened to you. Look at how it affected his family. It’s one thing to play a joke or to be “ punked ”. The perpetrator usually comes clean , admits the scam and everyone involved has a good laugh. This however, was not that. This was devious, calculating and just downright mean.

Man I don't know....
The media had to cover the story. They HAD to!!! Now I don't know a good way to spin that kind of story because the story itself is pretty embarrassing and that's with using proper adjectives, etc.
Even a news outlet just informing the public of what happened without being malicious in the slightest is embarrassing.

The actions were despicable for sure but I've got to yell from the roof top WTF?
He was on top the world, could've had pretty much any attractive local female and he get's caught up in an electronic relationship across the country. Even to a point to call that person his girlfriend. Really? A girlfriend on the internet?
Let's not act like this was 1995 with the internet being some new thing. At that point it was 17 years old.
Moreover this stuff happens all the time to good people but we aren't making threads and opening up the kleenex for them but since Manti is a domer we feel what? Extra bad?
C'mon.

It sucks it happened but that's old news. Let it go.
I'm sure he wishes people would unless of course some network paid handsomely for the story.
Anyone know that?

If it still bothers him then why make a tv show about it? Unless of course.......

 

[88ND]

If you watched it you realize for the most part he was just engaged in a modern day pen pal with a person that created a persona that was everything he wanted in a woman. The online persona was Polynesian/Hawaiian Mormon girl who had many acquaintances in common with Manti. Manti was hanging with other girls, but this person was so persistent to continue this correspondence that he kept hooking him in even when Manti seemed content to let it end at several points. Then when the relationship/correspondence seemed to be wavering he made up the fake car accident and then cancer diagnosis to continue to rope in Manti.
It is truly cruel and bizarre. The saddest part was Manti was trying to mourn the death of his grandmother who he was very close with, and this ass decided to fake Lennay’s death on the same day. Imagine the emotional rollercoaster.

For those that haven’t watched this, what is so galling is this person as a man, would call and disguise his voice as a woman, and then would call Manti to pretend to be her brother to explain her illness and death. This person even called Manti’s parents pretending to be Lennay’s sister and brother. This was WAY WAY WAY, more than just some texts. This person really put together a whole different world and used these different characters to fool Manti. Really quite tragic when you watch this and think about it.

The online persona was Polynesian/Hawaiian Mormon girl who had many acquaintances in common with Manti


Ok.....so don't you think the mutual acquaintances would have led a path to the truth?

Or was he embarrassed he had an electronic girlfriend that he wasn't going to mention this other person to any of the mutual acquaintances

 

[bullpride9]

The online persona was Polynesian/Hawaiian Mormon girl who had many acquaintances in common with Manti


Ok.....so don't you think the mutual acquaintances would have led a path to the truth?

Or was he embarrassed he had an electronic girlfriend that he wasn't going to mention this other person to any of the mutual acquaintances

They simply confirmed her existence, unfortunately the person they confirmed was really Lennay, there was actually a girl with that name and those were her pictures. When Manti asked some people if they knew her and those were her pictures and they confirmed it was….they had no idea that the person texting Manti wasn’t Lennay but this dirtbag dude.

This was just a long distance pen pal, if Manti did anything wrong he mischaracterized it as a girlfriend relationship. Everytime he tried to back away the person became crafty to bring him back. They prayed over the phone, provided words of encouragement and talked about lives. Whenever Manti wanted to FaceTime or meet this person created excuses why not. If fact after he faked the death he met Manti as himself…since he put on Lennay’s Facebook profile that he was her cousin he actually brought his baby sister who brought a build-a-bear to give to Manti and said her sisi wanted him to have that…even some of his teammates when they saw that became believers. This was pretty intense and complicated as fraudulent games go. For a person that lived 4000 miles away from Manti, the extent they went through to fool him, it would have been hard to confirm the fraud. Particularly when Manti was so consumed with his senior season.

 

[88ND]

If you watched it you realize for the most part he was just engaged in a modern day pen pal with a person that created a persona that was everything he wanted in a woman. The online persona was Polynesian/Hawaiian Mormon girl who had many acquaintances in common with Manti. Manti was hanging with other girls, but this person was so persistent to continue this correspondence that he kept hooking him in even when Manti seemed content to let it end at several points. Then when the relationship/correspondence seemed to be wavering he made up the fake car accident and then cancer diagnosis to continue to rope in Manti.
It is truly cruel and bizarre. The saddest part was Manti was trying to mourn the death of his grandmother who he was very close with, and this ass decided to fake Lennay’s death on the same day. Imagine the emotional rollercoaster.

For those that haven’t watched this, what is so galling is this person as a man, would call and disguise his voice as a woman, and then would call Manti to pretend to be her brother to explain her illness and death. This person even called Manti’s parents pretending to be Lennay’s sister and brother. This was WAY WAY WAY, more than just some texts. This person really put together a whole different world and used these different characters to fool Manti. Really quite tragic when you watch this and think about it.

I know this person is a tranny or can't decide what sex they want to be but let's keep it at she as in who Manti thought he was talking to...she, her.. whatever.

You keep saying he and it's confusing the **** out of your post

 

[88ND]

They simply confirmed her existence, unfortunately the person they confirmed was really Lennay, there was actually a girl with that name and those were her pictures. When Manti asked some people if they knew her and those were her pictures and they confirmed it was….they had no idea that the person texting Manti wasn’t Lennay but this dirtbag dude.

This was just a long distance pen pal, if Manti did anything wrong he mischaracterized it as a girlfriend relationship. Everytime he tried to back away the person became crafty to bring him back. They prayed over the phone, provided words of encouragement and talked about lives. Whenever Manti wanted to FaceTime or meet this person created excuses why not. If fact after he faked the death he met Manti as himself…since he put on Lennay’s Facebook profile that he was her cousin he actually brought his baby sister who brought a build-a-bear to give to Manti and said her sisi wanted him to have that…even some of his teammates when they saw that became believers. This was pretty intense and complicated as fraudulent games go. For a person that lived 4000 miles away from Manti, the extent they went through to fool him, it would have been hard to confirm the fraud. Particularly when Manti was so consumed with his senior season.

Ok...
But again this shit happens all the time. Christ some people go abroad to meet someone that isn't what they sold. Hell some disappear never to be found again.

Maybe he should consider himself lucky?

The whole thing sucks but he's no pioneer here. It happens all the time to peoole but he just happened to be the starting inside backer on an undefeated ND team and in Heisman contention.

If he allowed himself to get that deep with a fake person across the country ....

Oh well

 

[NDinNJ]

They simply confirmed her existence, unfortunately the person they confirmed was really Lennay, there was actually a girl with that name and those were her pictures. When Manti asked some people if they knew her and those were her pictures and they confirmed it was….they had no idea that the person texting Manti wasn’t Lennay but this dirtbag dude.

What are you talking about? Lennay was a completely fictitious person created by that guy. The girl whose pictures he used is a real person named Diane O'Meara. Did you not watch the both parts?

 

[Golson5]

I know this person is a tranny or can't decide what sex they want to be but let's keep it at she as in who Manti thought he was talking to...she, her.. whatever.

You keep saying he and it's confusing the **** out of your post

Because it is He

 

[BGI User 756]

Man I don't know....
The media had to cover the story. They HAD to!!! Now I don't know a good way to spin that kind of story because the story itself is pretty embarrassing and that's with using proper adjectives, etc.
Even a news outlet just informing the public of what happened without being malicious in the slightest is embarrassing.

The actions were despicable for sure but I've got to yell from the roof top WTF?
He was on top the world, could've had pretty much any attractive local female and he get's caught up in an electronic relationship across the country. Even to a point to call that person his girlfriend. Really? A girlfriend on the internet?
Let's not act like this was 1995 with the internet being some new thing. At that point it was 17 years old.
Moreover this stuff happens all the time to good people but we aren't making threads and opening up the kleenex for them but since Manti is a domer we feel what? Extra bad?
C'mon.

It sucks it happened but that's old news. Let it go.
I'm sure he wishes people would unless of course some network paid handsomely for the story.
Anyone know that?

If it still bothers him then why make a tv show about it? Unless of course.......

Guess you didn’t watch it.

it wasn’t about him “getting with girls”, it was about him and his naïveté in supporting a member of the Polynesian community and “falling in love” over the internet. Now we agree that is embarrassing.

but the media initially framed it in such a way that he took the beating instead of the media that twisted it and as usual, lacked journalistic integrity

 

[88ND]

Has anyone answered the question though of did he get paid for this documentary or whatever you want to call it?

 

[mirer03]

Has anyone answered the question though of did he get paid for this documentary or whatever you want to call it?

I would assume he got paid. Why would that matter? It's his story to tell.

 

[88ND]

I would assume he got paid. Why would that matter? It's his story to tell.

It's been a spell since all that happened right?
I don't know about you but when I think of Manti at present day I certainly wasn't thinking about the fake gf thing.
I know there are busy bodies out there that love hanging on to skeletons of people's closets but there are also many that don't care about that nonsense.
Matter of fact I had forgotten about that stuff until I came across this documentary while looking for something on TV and there was the title slapping me in the face.

Someone above said oh it still seems like it really bothers him. Ok...then let it die off into the sunset. Unless of course there is $$ motivation to do the show?

I for one think no less of him no matter what happened nor does his story change any outlook I have on the matter.
He looks like he's alive, got to play professionally....which 99.999 % of people on earth don't or can't do.

I just don't understand this stuff sometimes. Anyone else who cares. Manti...oh...well...he's a really good person. It's sad. He seems like a great guy.
Blah blah blah.
Why? He's a domer.
If he was Joe Smith nobody gives a shit nor offers up all this Hallmark sentiment. Nobody cares how nice he is and all that stuff.

Truth be tolf I just don't care about this stuff....stuff that happens every day to people. Good people. It's a lousy thing that happens to people but J fail to see the reason to make a huge ordeal about it because it was Manti. So what.
He should feel lucky something worse didn't happen to him that does happen every single day.
Perhaps he does.?.

 

[Golson5]

It's been a spell since all that happened right?
I don't know about you but when I think of Manti at present day I certainly wasn't thinking about the fake gf thing.
I know there are busy bodies out there that love hanging on to skeletons of people's closets but there are also many that don't care about that nonsense.
Matter of fact I had forgotten about that stuff until I came across this documentary while looking for something on TV and there was the title slapping me in the face.

Someone above said oh it still seems like it really bothers him. Ok...then let it die off into the sunset. Unless of course there is $$ motivation to do the show?

I for one think no less of him no matter what happened nor does his story change any outlook I have on the matter.
He looks like he's alive, got to play professionally....which 99.999 % of people on earth don't or can't do.

I just don't understand this stuff sometimes. Anyone else who cares. Manti...oh...well...he's a really good person. It's sad. He seems like a great guy.
Blah blah blah.
Why? He's a domer.
If he was Joe Smith nobody gives a shit nor offers up all this Hallmark sentiment. Nobody cares how nice he is and all that stuff.

Truth be tolf I just don't care about this stuff....stuff that happens every day to people. Good people. It's a lousy thing that happens to people but J fail to see the reason to make a huge ordeal about it because it was Manti. So what.
He should feel lucky something worse didn't happen to him that does happen every single day.
Perhaps he does.?.

You dont care yet here you are continuing to talk about it. Long paragraphs about it

 

[mirer03]

It's been a spell since all that happened right?
I don't know about you but when I think of Manti at present day I certainly wasn't thinking about the fake gf thing.
I know there are busy bodies out there that love hanging on to skeletons of people's closets but there are also many that don't care about that nonsense.
Matter of fact I had forgotten about that stuff until I came across this documentary while looking for something on TV and there was the title slapping me in the face.

Someone above said oh it still seems like it really bothers him. Ok...then let it die off into the sunset. Unless of course there is $$ motivation to do the show?

I for one think no less of him no matter what happened nor does his story change any outlook I have on the matter.
He looks like he's alive, got to play professionally....which 99.999 % of people on earth don't or can't do.

I just don't understand this stuff sometimes. Anyone else who cares. Manti...oh...well...he's a really good person. It's sad. He seems like a great guy.
Blah blah blah.
Why? He's a domer.
If he was Joe Smith nobody gives a shit nor offers up all this Hallmark sentiment. Nobody cares how nice he is and all that stuff.

Truth be tolf I just don't care about this stuff....stuff that happens every day to people. Good people. It's a lousy thing that happens to people but J fail to see the reason to make a huge ordeal about it because it was Manti. So what.
He should feel lucky something worse didn't happen to him that does happen every single day.
Perhaps he does.?.

I can't share any of your sentiments here.

In 2011-2012 this was not. A normal occurrence. The guy was 22 years old embarrassed on a national stage and actually accused nationally of being in on it, while having a historic season on the field and prepping for a naty title game. No one goes through that or can relate. I'm sure the producers felt that there were people that wanted to see more and that wanted closure to the story.

You have the choice not to watch or to comment, but you choose to, so are you just fickle that it's not something your interested in.

Again. Don't watch. Or comment.

 

[88ND]

I can't share any of your sentiments here.

In 2011-2012 this was not. A normal occurrence. The guy was 22 years old embarrassed on a national stage and actually accused nationally of being in on it, while having a historic season on the field and prepping for a naty title game. No one goes through that or can relate. I'm sure the producers felt that there were people that wanted to see more and that wanted closure to the story.

You have the choice not to watch or to comment, but you choose to, so are you just fickle that it's not something your interested in.

Again. Don't watch. Or comment.

"No one goes through that or can relate" ?

W
H
A
T
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Turmoil? Getting scammed? Getting preyed upon? Or is it because they mean nothing to you and Manti was a college football player on a grand stage it makes him different?
There's many people out there with similar things that happened to them (or far worse like disappearing) with jobs and families to take care of and far greater responsibilities in life than playing a sport for YOUR viewing pleasure.
Yet someone preyed upon them but it doesn't really matter because their life wasn't quite as important or didn't have quite as important of things going on as Manti?

If that's what you're saying it's utter bullshit.

It happened. It happens to many more than Manti and with far worse results.

If YOU wanted to see more as you suggested some might.... then might I recommend a little more life and a little less worrying about other people's lives.

 

[tbonesays]

Ehh disagree to some extent: The internet in 2010 was not the animal we know it to be now and ill intent wasn't the first thought for many (catfishing wasn't a thing). Have you been to Laie? A Mormon kid from Laie finding his way to South Bend and having a companion via the internet was mostly likely a simple escape from football, studies and finding comfort in the cultrual similarities. I would venture to say in today's world there are tens of thousands of online relationships where the two have not met in person.

The social media of today would make it easier because you can create a profile of the fake persona and once someone sees that he's not going to doubt it.

Sad to see the victim blaming continues. Where I posted when it all went down the majority opinion was that Te'o concocted the hoax to help him win the Heisman and ND was a co-conspirator.

 

[mirer03]

"No one goes through that or can relate" ?

W
H
A
T
???????

Turmoil? Getting scammed? Getting preyed upon? Or is it because they mean nothing to you and Manti was a college football player on a grand stage it makes him different?
There's many people out there with similar things that happened to them (or far worse like disappearing) with jobs and families to take care of and far greater responsibilities in life than playing a sport for YOUR viewing pleasure.
Yet someone preyed upon them but it doesn't really matter because their life wasn't quite as important or didn't have quite as important of things going on as Manti?

If that's what you're saying it's utter bullshit.

It happened. It happens to many more than Manti and with far worse results.

If YOU wanted to see more as you suggested some might.... then might I recommend a little more life and a little less worrying about other people's lives.

Yeah done with you. Youre just trolling.

 

[beachcardinal]

Look, I am not board police but I would suggest that anyone who posts in this thread sees the documentary first. I don't think anyone and watch that not not be completely impressed with Teo and assured that he was taken advantage of by a creep.

 

[1Redrum]

Look.....as Robby Toma and I both feel Manti was very naïve and someone should have stepped in and helped him. Regardless of that I think Manti comes off well in the show but they give the lying manipulative SOB who perpetrated this on him way too much time and no criticism. Its pathetic what a narcissist they are. Honestly.

 

[tkirish]

Man I don't know....
The media had to cover the story. They HAD to!!! Now I don't know a good way to spin that kind of story because the story itself is pretty embarrassing and that's with using proper adjectives, etc.
Even a news outlet just informing the public of what happened without being malicious in the slightest is embarrassing.

The actions were despicable for sure but I've got to yell from the roof top WTF?
He was on top the world, could've had pretty much any attractive local female and he get's caught up in an electronic relationship across the country. Even to a point to call that person his girlfriend. Really? A girlfriend on the internet?
Let's not act like this was 1995 with the internet being some new thing. At that point it was 17 years old.
Moreover this stuff happens all the time to good people but we aren't making threads and opening up the kleenex for them but since Manti is a domer we feel what? Extra bad?
C'mon.

It sucks it happened but that's old news. Let it go.
I'm sure he wishes people would unless of course some network paid handsomely for the story.
Anyone know that?

If it still bothers him then why make a tv show about it? Unless of course.......

I am simply commenting on my take from the documentary. All the back and forth regarding if he should have known or not is good discussion. I am not him so there is no way I am going to judge that. The way it was all presented is what I am referring to. Specifically the point of view from the "scammer'. I am not buying his version that it was innocent and simply got out of hand. It looked more like he went out of his way to make a fool of MT, than just a prank that went too far. Hey, maybe my take is wrong. But that is how it came across. Whether or not he is a "domer" is irrelevant to me. To be fair, Manti should have been completely honest himself when asked about his "girlfriend". The fact that he didn't say "I never met her , we have an online relationship", tells me in the back of his mind, he had some doubts about this whole saga. Logically ,if he had told people that he never actually met her, most likely someone might have said "YO, Manti! I think you're being played" . As it turns out, he was and payed the price. Either way , it's old news. I didn't even think about it until this documentary came out.

 

[88ND]

I am simply commenting on my take from the documentary. All the back and forth regarding if he should have known or not is good discussion. I am not him so there is no way I am going to judge that. The way it was all presented is what I am referring to. Specifically the point of view from the "scammer'. I am not buying his version that it was innocent and simply got out of hand. It looked more like he went out of his way to make a fool of MT, than just a prank that went too far. Hey, maybe my take is wrong. But that is how it came across. Whether or not he is a "domer" is irrelevant to me. To be fair, Manti should have been completely honest himself when asked about his "girlfriend". The fact that he didn't say "I never met her , we have an online relationship", tells me in the back of his mind, he had some doubts about this whole saga. Logically ,if he had told people that he never actually met her, most likely someone might have said "YO, Manti! I think you're being played" . As it turns out, he was and payed the price. Either way , it's old news. I didn't even think about it until this documentary came out.

Yep....
I completely forgot about it until this came out.

Again no matter what is said...I don't care. I don't mean that in a malicious manner but I just don't care.
He played football...was a joy to watch especially his senior season....

.........................and that's it.

 

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Yeah done with you. Youre just trolling.

Alrighty then.

You made the statements not me.
Nonsense statements like nobody in the world ever had to deal with things like Manti did and imply his life was just so much more meaningful and important than other victims of such things....

If me calling that BS and homerism is what you consider trolling...

Oh well.