Texas Longhorns ran up nearly $280,000 tab for recruiting visit by Arch Manning

[chaseball]

The Texas Longhorns football program isn't holding back in its recruiting visits, but the effort paid off this summer to the tune of the currently No. 3-ranked recruiting class led by No. 2 quarterback Arch Manning.

Texas spent $280K on visit by Manning, 8 others

The Longhorns spent nearly $630,000 over two recruiting weekends in June, including almost $280,000 on the official visit by quarterback Arch Manning and eight other recruits that featured five-star accommodations and virtually all-you-can-eat fare.

www.espn.com

The whole article goes on to discuss the large increase in spending in recruiting over the last several years and how programs are drastically increasing their budgets. The next obvious question is what is ND doing to keep up?

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

The Texas Longhorns football program isn't holding back in its recruiting visits, but the effort paid off this summer to the tune of the currently No. 3-ranked recruiting class led by No. 2 quarterback Arch Manning.

Texas spent $280K on visit by Manning, 8 others

The Longhorns spent nearly $630,000 over two recruiting weekends in June, including almost $280,000 on the official visit by quarterback Arch Manning and eight other recruits that featured five-star accommodations and virtually all-you-can-eat fare.

www.espn.com

The whole article goes on to discuss the large increase in spending in recruiting over the last several years and how programs are drastically increasing their budgets. The next obvious question is what is ND doing to keep up?

No, the next obvious question is what should college football be doing to stop this kind of reckless extravagance? Rooms at the Four Seasons? Really? And I am pretty sure they were not standard rooms, but were probably the nicest suites in the hotel. UT is a state university, so ultimately it is the taxpayers who are footing the bill for this kind of profligacy. It is obscene. But sadly, it ain't stopping anytime soon.

 

[edub72]

Unreal. $630,000 on 2 recruiting weekends. Nobody can compete with that type of money to spoil recruits

 

[96domer]

It is obscene but I'm afraid to ask what we spend when recruits come for a visit.

 

[echowaker]

It is obscene but I'm afraid to ask what we spend when recruits come for a visit.

Motel 6 and nuns as hostesses.

 

[d1042]

sport vs business! we been dupped!

 

[ivan brunetti]

No, the next obvious question is what should college football be doing to stop this kind of reckless extravagance? Rooms at the Four Seasons? Really? And I am pretty sure they were not standard rooms, but were probably the nicest suites in the hotel. UT is a state university, so ultimately it is the taxpayers who are footing the bill for this kind of profligacy. It is obscene. But sadly, it ain't stopping anytime soon.

I believe the Texas AD runs in the black. So zero tax funds go into treating Manning like a king.

 

[notredamerises23]

Motel 6 and nuns as hostesses.

Lol

 

[BGI User 756]

Also the OP article. Exhibit A for the arms race called NCAA recruiting

 

[McCallen ND NYC]

I am completely appalled by the article. College Football programs should lose their tax exempt status immediately. Similar type of inducements in the business world, would lead to prison time. College sports, especially football, has gone off the rails…

 

[chaseball]

I am completely appalled by the article. College Football programs should lose their tax exempt status immediately. Similar type of inducements in the business world, would lead to prison time. College sports, especially football, has gone off the rails…

People used to say the same stuff about baseball back in the early 20th century before players finally started to get paid.

The bottom line is, is that there are bookoo bucks in college football right now, and the athletes $60K education with cool perks is nowhere near enough compensation any longer. The teams that are able to adapt to this culture the quickest are the teams that are going to be the beneficiaries of the next national titles and heisman trophy winners.

I really hope ND doesn't find itself 10+ years behind on this issue as well.

 

[McCallen ND NYC]

People used to say the same stuff about baseball back in the early 20th century before players finally started to get paid.

The bottom line is, is that there are kuku bucks in college football right now, and the athletes $60K education with cool perks is nowhere near enough compensation any longer. The teams that are able to adapt to this culture the quickest are the teams that are going to be the beneficiaries of the next national titles and heisman trophy winners.

I really hope ND doesn't find itself 10+ years behind on this issue as well.

College football isn’t professional sports like baseball. The first priority is education. Sports should just enhance the college experience for a student-athlete.

The entire college system is a shit show. Sky high tuition rates for tax exempt institutions and college sports programs paying coaches 10m+ while the government waives college debt. Now we have egregious inducements.

I want ND to compete but don’t want kids who want the University to spend 100k on them during a recruiting trip.

The bottom line is the system is broken.

 

[chaseball]

College football isn’t professional sports like baseball. The first priority is education. Sports should just enhance the college experience for a student-athlete.

The entire college system is a shit show. Sky high tuition rates for tax exempt institutions and college sports programs paying coaches 10m+ while the government waives college debt. Now we have egregious inducements.

I want ND to compete but don’t want kids who want the University to spend 100k on them during a recruiting trip.

The bottom line is the system is broken.

That's pure naivety. College football brands are now producing revenues on par with some of the biggest corporations in America. You can't make that kind of cash without the adults producing the labor to come calling.

It's in everybody's best interest to meet halfway and keep the cash cow rolling.

 

[McCallen ND NYC]

Did you go to college? About 99.9% of the students attend college for the education.

Notre Dame, Texas, Alabama athletic programs are nowhere near on par with some of the largest corporations. Apple made 360bn in revenue last year. What are you talking about?

Apple is a for profit business which pays taxes.

Colleges are tax exempt and not professional sport franchises.

I’m in favor of NIL and other benefits for the student-athletes but CFB needs to implement better guidelines and rules around recruiting expenses and NIL, otherwise I think there will be many negative outcomes.

 

[bizzybecknd]

People used to say the same stuff about baseball back in the early 20th century before players finally started to get paid.

The bottom line is, is that there are bookoo bucks in college football right now, and the athletes $60K education with cool perks is nowhere near enough compensation any longer. The teams that are able to adapt to this culture the quickest are the teams that are going to be the beneficiaries of the next national titles and heisman trophy winners.

I really hope ND doesn't find itself 10+ years behind on this issue as well.

I for one am on the side of doing what’s right for ND and NOT competing in the pissing match. Unreal fans want ND to jump in this circus.

 

[SubwaydomerDFW]

I for one am on the side of doing what’s right for ND and NOT competing in the pissing match. Unreal fans want ND to jump in this circus.

Other unreal ND fans complain when the team can’t compete with the big boys in bowl games.

If you do anything to the like of what I just said you would be a hypocrite and I would warn you that you cannot have your cake and it eat it too.

If you’re perfectly happy being mediocre then good on you, but there are a lot of people on this board who want it both ways and that’s now how life works.

 

[bizzybecknd]

Other unreal ND fans complain when the team can’t compete with the big boys in bowl games.

If you do anything to the like of what I just said you would be a hypocrite and I would warn you that you cannot have your cake and it eat it too.

If you’re perfectly happy being mediocre then good on you, but there are a lot of Ifpeople on this board who want it both ways and that’s now how life works.

I view ND as an academic institutuion first and foremost. If it means ND selling its soul and identity as a University to compete with Alabama in football, I'm out. Did I complain when it was simply cheating (not NIL)? Sure but could always hang my hat on the fact ND was trying to doing things the right way. I don't find it being mediocre but in fact taking the high road. Not going to find any gratification in ND winning simply because they were willing to spend the most on players (I've hated the Lakers and Yankees for decades).

 

[SubwaydomerDFW]

I view ND as an academic institutuion first and foremost. If it means ND selling its soul and identity as a University to compete with Alabama in football, I'm out. Did I complain when it was simply cheating (not NIL)? Sure but could always hang my hat on the fact ND was trying to doing things the right way. I don't find it being mediocre but in fact taking the high road. Not going to find any gratification in ND winning simply because they were willing to spend the most on players (I've hated the Lakers and Yankees for decades).

They've done a masterful job with their propaganda.

This propaganda is going to alienate and erode it's blue collar fan base within the next 20-30 years if they don't figure out a way to be a perennial competitor for championships in the football program.

The unfortunate truth is that Notre Dame, for all her Glory and tight nit parochial community, is a football school. You and many others are in denial about this, and that's OK. Pretty soon it will be just the lot of us who simply appreciate the notion that "they try to do it the right way", but ultimately value football excellence above all else.

She doesn't even have the top ranked schools within the state of Indiana (Kelley School of Business, IU Med School / Law School / Purdue's engineering) and she can't hold a candle to the true academic powers who play power 5 football: Stanford Michigan etc. She didn't get her 12B endowment fund because of her academic prowess. I'll give you a little hint.. has everything to do with her football success in the first half of the previous century.** Edit must have stroked out and typed decade from my phone

The aforementioned attitude comes off as smug to those of us who couldn't qualify or afford to get into ND, just an FYI and the % of fans who turn on the TV or buy tickets to cheer on the acamedic achievements on ND on Saturdays is dwindling by the decade. (I consider myself somewhat of a poet )

 

[NDSMC78]

The unfortunate truth is that Notre Dame, for all her Glory and tight nit parochial community, is a football school. You and many others are in denial about this, and that's OK. Pretty soon it will be just the lot of us who simply appreciate the notion that "they try to do it the right way", but ultimately value football excellence above all else.

She doesn't even have the top ranked schools within the state of Indiana (Kelley School of Business, IU Med School / Law School / Purdue's engineering) and she can't hold a candle to the true academic powers who play power 5 football: Stanford Michigan etc. She didn't get her 12B endowment fund because of her academic prowess. I'll give you a little hint.. has everything to do with her football success in the first half of the previous decade.

I have been a regular on this board for more than 20 years. And this is the single most uninformed post I have ever read in that time. Congratulations. You have won the prize for the most asinine post ever made on this board.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Doesn't ND spend big money on its recruiting weekends too? I don't know what the range is, in terms of dollars spent or luxuries lavished, but I never thought of ND as a program that went all cheap on recruiting trips....

 

[SubwaydomerDFW]

I have been a regular on this board for more than 20 years. And this is the single most uninformed post I have ever read in that time. Congratulations. You have won the prize for the most asinine post ever made on this board.

You’re entitled to your own opinions buddy even if they’re ignorant.

 

[rivals50]

If he brings them a championship in next 3 years 280K is chump change

 

[Classic Irish]

You’re entitled to your own opinions buddy even if they’re ignorant.

NDSMC78 is an ND alum. What year did you graduate from ND?

 

[bizzybecknd]

I have been a regular on this board for more than 20 years. And this is the single most uninformed post I have ever read in that time. Congratulations. You have won the prize for the most asinine post ever made on this board.

Haha ND78 summed it up

 

[Patrirish]

I have been a regular on this board for more than 20 years. And this is the single most uninformed post I have ever read in that time. Congratulations. You have won the prize for the most asinine post ever made on this board.

You could classify that post as the most asinine, but I look at it a little differently.

I’d have to classify it as somewhere between totally uninformed and ignorant.

ie. “first half of the prior decade”, 2010 to 2015 ?
That’s where he thinks that ND rose to prominence ?

”Asinine”. ?

It‘s so far beyond “asinine”, it’s almost impossible to believe that someone could be that uninformed, that ignorant and that oblivious to historical facts.

This is why I’ve suggested that a minimum IQ be required in order to post, just to keep the “intelligence deprived” from embarrassing themselves.

 

[banmate6]

I think some of the comments about IQ and so are unwarranted. Even for a chat board.



ND is a 1st class academic institution, full stop. Its graduates have a pretty good network here in Silicon Valley and on Wall Street, where I work often enough. It's not just a football school, if indeed any school is these days...but to the point, even some decent academic schools make accommodations for academically challenged athletes.

Regardless, the football brand is what keeps many fans watching. It's possible this diminishes if ND cannot win titles. Which will probably be the case if ND won't do what other schools are doing with the said accommodation.

Nothing earth shattering here.

 

[Patrirish]

I think some of the comments about IQ and so are unwarranted. Even for a chat board.



ND is a 1st class academic institution, full stop. Its graduates have a pretty good network here in Silicon Valley and on Wall Street, where I work often enough. It's not just a football school, if indeed any school is these days...but to the point, even some decent academic schools make accommodations for academically challenged athletes.

Regardless, the football brand is what keeps many fans watching. It's possible this diminishes if ND cannot win titles. Which will probably be the case if ND won't do what other schools are doing with the said accommodation.

Nothing earth shattering here.

If a Notre Dame fan will only stay a Notre Dame fan if Notre Dame wins titles …… then they aren’t a true and loyal Notre Dame fan.

Let them go elsewhere !

 

[Patrirish]

I think some of the comments about IQ and so are unwarranted. Even for a chat board.



ND is a 1st class academic institution, full stop. Its graduates have a pretty good network here in Silicon Valley and on Wall Street, where I work often enough. It's not just a football school, if indeed any school is these days...but to the point, even some decent academic schools make accommodations for academically challenged athletes.

Regardless, the football brand is what keeps many fans watching. It's possible this diminishes if ND cannot win titles. Which will probably be the case if ND won't do what other schools are doing with the said accommodation.

Nothing earth shattering here.

Is it your opinion that frivolous, false, misleading and derogatory statements should go unchallenged ?

Should blatantly false and misleading statements be automatically accepted ?

At what point is a poster held accountable for making a false, misleading or outrageous posts ?

 

[SubwaydomerDFW]

NDSMC78 is an ND alum. What year did you graduate from ND?

I didn't go. Couldn't get in with a 1.8 gpa and an 1100/1600 sat.

Does this disqualify me for giving my perspective on people / fans who couldn't get into ND?

There are way more subway alumni than alumni of the school. The school got it's notoriety from it's football program, not it's academic achievements.

You can actually research school rankings based on entrance exam scores and see that they are similarly ranked with Indiana and Purdue for their respective schools. This would tell normal - rationale people, not someone so blinded by their allegiance to their alma mater, that ND perhaps isn't an Ivy League-Esque academic power that many people would like you to think.

I'll admit I was trolling a bit but only to challenge her ignorant point of view that ND should only survive in CFB by not investing in recruiting, and imposing arbitrary restrictions on it's student athletes relative to it's admission standards for regular students compared to NCAAs basic requirements for student athletes.

 

[banmate6]

I didn't go. Couldn't get in with a 1.8 gpa and an 1100/1600 sat.

Does this disqualify me for giving my perspective on people / fans who couldn't get into ND?

There are way more subway alumni than alumni of the school. The school got it's notoriety from it's football program, not it's academic achievements.

You can actually research school rankings based on entrance exam scores and see that they are similarly ranked with Indiana and Purdue for their respective schools. This would tell normal - rationale people, not someone so blinded by their allegiance to their alma mater, that ND perhaps isn't an Ivy League-Esque academic power that many people would like you to think.

I'll admit I was trolling a bit but only to challenge her ignorant point of view that ND should only survive in CFB by not investing in recruiting, and imposing arbitrary restrictions on it's student athletes relative to it's admission standards for regular students compared to NCAAs basic requirements for student athletes.

How to Get In: Notre Dame Admission Requirements

Find out admissions requirements for Notre Dame, including GPA requirements and SAT, ACT, and application requirements.

www.prepscholar.com

It takes A's and an average SAT of 1475 out of 1600 on the SAT. That is academically elite, on par with Ivy Leagues. 17% get in out of a pretty competitive pool.

Ivies are nuanced too. I'd say Harvard and Yale are stronger than U of PA or Brown. But they all have top undergraduate students, irrespective of program nuances. So does ND.

Anecdotally, top school students stand out in my career, including ND. That isn't to say others aren't also achieving...but it's rare that I met any unqualified person from a top school. Especially in a STEM area.

It was a bit easier when I was an undergraduate. 1200+ SAT and high GPA sufficed. It's gotten more competitive, reflected in how football is now treated. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is.

 

[SubwaydomerDFW]

How to Get In: Notre Dame Admission Requirements

Find out admissions requirements for Notre Dame, including GPA requirements and SAT, ACT, and application requirements.

www.prepscholar.com

It takes A's and an average SAT of 1475 out of 1600 on the SAT. That is academically elite, on par with Ivy Leagues. 17% get in out of a pretty competitive pool.

Ivies are nuanced too. I'd say Harvard and Yale are stronger than U of PA or Brown. But they all have top undergraduate students, irrespective of program nuances. So does ND.

Anecdotally, top school students stand out in my career, including ND. That isn't to say others aren't also achieving...but it's rare that I met any unqualified person from a top school. Especially in a STEM area.

It was a bit easier when I was an undergraduate. 1200+ SAT and high GPA sufficed. It's gotten more competitive, reflected in how football is now treated. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is.

Interesting. I was always under the allusion that you had to be a #1 or #2 in your HS class with an impeccable SAT score and extra curriculur activities before ND would even look at you. Thats only coming from one of my English teachers and a kid from my school who went to ND.

My classmate was a salutatorian and got over 1500 and he was in band. I believe he alluded to the notion his class was super competitive and the band thing helped him get into ND even with a 1500 and being #2 in our class. I don't know if he got any assistance for being the in the band or not.. don't talk to him much but passing comments on FB.

His HS class was 03 so I believe he graduated in 08 from ND?

Do you mind me asking you when you went to school since you said your credentials were a bit lax compared to modern day? Were football players on par with the rest of the student body when you went or was there a noticeable drop off in qualifications for the football scholarships?

Perhaps you might even know my classmate, as I just put 2 and 2 together with your username** Stephen Woods

 

[Classic Irish]

I didn't go. Couldn't get in with a 1.8 gpa and an 1100/1600 sat.

Does this disqualify me for giving my perspective on people / fans who couldn't get into ND?

There are way more subway alumni than alumni of the school. The school got it's notoriety from it's football program, not it's academic achievements.

You can actually research school rankings based on entrance exam scores and see that they are similarly ranked with Indiana and Purdue for their respective schools. This would tell normal - rationale people, not someone so blinded by their allegiance to their alma mater, that ND perhaps isn't an Ivy League-Esque academic power that many people would like you to think.

I'll admit I was trolling a bit but only to challenge her ignorant point of view that ND should only survive in CFB by not investing in recruiting, and imposing arbitrary restrictions on it's student athletes relative to it's admission standards for regular students compared to NCAAs basic requirements for student athletes.

First, NDSMC78 is not a female. Second, it’s spectacularly ironic that a guy with no connection to ND other than being “subway alumni” calls an ND alum ignorant about ND. Get a clue.

 

[Patrirish]

First, NDSMC78 is not a female. Second, it’s spectacularly ironic that a guy with no connection to ND other than being “subway alumni” calls an ND alum ignorant about ND. Get a clue.

👍

 

[BGI User 756]

They've done a masterful job with their propaganda.

This propaganda is going to alienate and erode it's blue collar fan base within the next 20-30 years if they don't figure out a way to be a perennial competitor for championships in the football program.

The unfortunate truth is that Notre Dame, for all her Glory and tight nit parochial community, is a football school. You and many others are in denial about this, and that's OK. Pretty soon it will be just the lot of us who simply appreciate the notion that "they try to do it the right way", but ultimately value football excellence above all else.

She doesn't even have the top ranked schools within the state of Indiana (Kelley School of Business, IU Med School / Law School / Purdue's engineering) and she can't hold a candle to the true academic powers who play power 5 football: Stanford Michigan etc. She didn't get her 12B endowment fund because of her academic prowess. I'll give you a little hint.. has everything to do with her football success in the first half of the previous century.** Edit must have stroked out and typed decade from my phone

The aforementioned attitude comes off as smug to those of us who couldn't qualify or afford to get into ND, just an FYI and the % of fans who turn on the TV or buy tickets to cheer on the acamedic achievements on ND on Saturdays is dwindling by the decade. (I consider myself somewhat of a poet )

And you are about the most uneducated poster on this topic . ND’s business and law schools are the elite, and it’s architecture and engineering are top tier. The credentials to get into the school are in top 20, including Ivies and Stanford. And the corporations love ND’s commitment to community as it plays well in the business world. Also, ND’s mean earning power for grads after 15 years in employment, are in top 1%.

You should do some research as you give subway alumni a bad name. One other fun fact. The endowment grew from $700M to $13B since the last time ND won a NC. So your misguided and reckless assertions are false

 

[BGI User 756]

You’re entitled to your own opinions buddy even if they’re ignorant.

So what were your previous handles? Don’t be a sissy and ignore the question

 

[BGI User 756]

I think some of the comments about IQ and so are unwarranted. Even for a chat board.



ND is a 1st class academic institution, full stop. Its graduates have a pretty good network here in Silicon Valley and on Wall Street, where I work often enough. It's not just a football school, if indeed any school is these days...but to the point, even some decent academic schools make accommodations for academically challenged athletes.

Regardless, the football brand is what keeps many fans watching. It's possible this diminishes if ND cannot win titles. Which will probably be the case if ND won't do what other schools are doing with the said accommodation.

Nothing earth shattering here.

I disagree. His post was 100% false. This isn’t MSM here, we can call out the fabrications

 

[BGI User 756]

Interesting. I was always under the allusion that you had to be a #1 or #2 in your HS class with an impeccable SAT score and extra curriculur activities before ND would even look at you. Thats only coming from one of my English teachers and a kid from my school who went to ND.

My classmate was a salutatorian and got over 1500 and he was in band. I believe he alluded to the notion his class was super competitive and the band thing helped him get into ND even with a 1500 and being #2 in our class. I don't know if he got any assistance for being the in the band or not.. don't talk to him much but passing comments on FB.

His HS class was 03 so I believe he graduated in 08 from ND?

Do you mind me asking you when you went to school since you said your credentials were a bit lax compared to modern day? Were football players on par with the rest of the student body when you went or was there a noticeable drop off in qualifications for the football scholarships?

Perhaps you might even know my classmate, as I just put 2 and 2 together with your username** Stephen Woods

Lol. It’s illusion, and you proved us correct. You are a troll, and an uneducated one at that.

 

[NDSMC78]

And you are about the most uneducated poster on this topic . ND’s business and law schools are the elite, and it’s architecture and engineering are top tier. The credentials to get into the school are in top 20, including Ivies and Stanford. And the corporations love ND’s commitment to community as it plays well in the business world. Also, ND’s mean earning power for grads after 15 years in employment, are in top 1%.

You should do some research as you give subway alumni a bad name. One other fun fact. The endowment grew from $700M to $13B since the last time ND won a NC. So your misguided and reckless assertions are false

Recently released US News & World Report rankings have ND tied with Columbia at # 18.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

 

[BGI User 756]

Recently released US News & World Report rankings have ND tied with Columbia at # 18.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Yes, thx for sharing. Not sure where the loud mouth got his info (he only references a band member from 20 years ago through FB, lol).

I wanted the empty can to do his own research!

And there are other ratings publications that have ND in low teens, and have certain curriculums in top 5. Korn Ferry and JP Morgan have ND in top 3, as an example.

 

[BGI User 756]

Recently released US News & World Report rankings have ND tied with Columbia at # 18.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Also… guess they didn’t get the memo from subwaydomer….no Purdue, no Indy, and Mich is 8 spaces behind…