Rest Joe Schmidt Thread.

[GoIrishinKW]

Hi Brian Kelly,

Please let Joe rest up. He has made so many tackles this year. Let him coach from the sidelines. He is good at screaming.

 

[hvillebill]

Hi Brian Kelly,

Please let Joe rest up. He has made so many tackles this year. Let him coach from the sidelines. He is good at screaming.

Good at screaming? What the hell is that about?

 

[nemeth#5]

Good at screaming? What the hell is that about?

He is always screaming would be my best guess? Watching the Icon and Showtime series shows that he is "that guy" who is always yelling cheesy inspirational stuff. Seems like a good leader.... more through his preaching and coaching than through his play.

 

[88ND]

Why the anti Joe theme again? Seriously.

How about we have Sheldon day teach tackling to the other 10 players since he does it and the coaches are apparently failing at this.

But its trendy to be anti Joe right now. Irish are winning so let's look for the negatives.

The world knows Joe is not athletic. But he is the quarterback of that very complicated defense.

It would be safe to say the other backers may not be trusted to get the calls and alignments correctly for our defense.

Would you rather have a more athletic linebacker but one that makes the whole weaker because of alignments and such.....or rather Joe be out there getting everyone where they need to be, shifting, etc etc....

While the individual inside backer spot might become more athletic but the defense as a whole drops.
I fully believe the staff knows if Morgan is or isn't ready to take over that spot.

Reminding you Morgan was part of that disaster of a defense last year when Joe got hurt, .......

 

[perseverare]

is it more acceptable to criticize 1 player or 10 players? Or it it all just 1 posters opinion?

JMO, but commenting on the play of a player does not need to be veiled mocking of that player.

 

[IrishMike409]

Joe has been a true Notre Dame Man his entire career. It's about to be his senior day. Get off his back. Show some respect.

 

[1Redrum]

Joe has been a true Notre Dame Man his entire career. It's about to be his senior day. Get off his back. Show some respect.

His senior day was last year.

 

[theskibro]

His senior day was last year.

It is clear to everyone except the coaches that Joe is always late to the ball this year. Now I do not know if we are seeing something that the coaches are not or if the coaches are seeing something the fans are not seeing Very strange. If you isolate on Joe, he is always a step or so late This did not happen last year Baffling or maybe us fans are stupid I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle

Not that the fans are stupid but that Joe is not as good as last year but gets the team lined up Maybe that is enough for BVG

I am just tired of seeing him flailing his body around and tackling ghosts

 

[BigFellaFan]

There are a lot of jerks here. Joe gives his all and anyone who calls himself a Notre Dame fan is proud of Joe and too big to dump on him.

 

[IrishMike409]

Yep, it's "clear to everyone except the coaches" that Joe is slow and late.

What do the coaches know? They only have 24 hr access to every game and practice rep for every player in the program.

Glad that the 60 minute snap shot on Saturdays make your an expert.

 

[iwish]

Same crap, different day and thread. Horse, meet beating....would never think we're 8-1 and a potential Playoff team.

 

[theskibro]

Yep, it's "clear to everyone except the coaches" that Joe is slow and late.

What do the coaches know? They only have 24 hr access to every game and practice rep for every player in the program.

Glad that the 60 minute snap shot on Saturdays make your an expert.

What the heck are you watching that makes you defend the guy? I am not ripping him, I clearly said he is not anywhere close to last year. You refute that? Maybe the coaches accept his game management and that we have no one better? But don't blindly defend the guy cause he is nice and tries hard. Watch him he flat out is bad quite often. Being a coach does not give you super vision -- it gives you expertise and knowledge. So there must be a reason the guy is still in there. But don't defend his play. It is not very good this year. maybe the best we got but not very good

 

[perseverare]

Yep, it's "clear to everyone except the coaches" that Joe is slow and late.

What do the coaches know? They only have 24 hr access to every game and practice rep for every player in the program.

Glad that the 60 minute snap shot on Saturdays make your an expert.

^

Kizer as 3rd string not getting any reps, not too long ago!

 

[DieHard_Irish]

Yup same ole crap, different day. I think all the experts on this board should gets their resumes out there for coaching jobs. Our coaches must not know anything. Glad we have the expertise of this board to help them out

 

[IrishMike409]

^

Kizer as 3rd string not getting any reps, not too long ago!

Pers, you clearly have an ax to grind with the coaching staff. Unfortunately, it's to the point where few are taking your posts seriously.

 

[IrishMike409]

What the heck are you watching that makes you defend the guy? I am not ripping him, I clearly said he is not anywhere close to last year. You refute that? Maybe the coaches accept his game management and that we have no one better? But don't blindly defend the guy cause he is nice and tries hard. Watch him he flat out is bad quite often. Being a coach does not give you super vision -- it gives you expertise and knowledge. So there must be a reason the guy is still in there. But don't defend his play. It is not very good this year. maybe the best we got but not very good

8-1. Gonna certainly be 10-1. Great great chance to be 11-1 and a playoff team. Joe is captain, undisputed leader of the D, and the starting MLB. I'll defend the guy all day long

 

[DieHard_Irish]

^THIS! And I trust our coaches know what they are doing.

 

[Pennick4]

Hi Brian Kelly,

Please let Joe rest up. He has made so many tackles this year. Let him coach from the sidelines. He is good at screaming.

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[88ND]

What the heck are you watching that makes you defend the guy? I am not ripping him, I clearly said he is not anywhere close to last year. You refute that? Maybe the coaches accept his game management and that we have no one better? But don't blindly defend the guy cause he is nice and tries hard. Watch him he flat out is bad quite often. Being a coach does not give you super vision -- it gives you expertise and knowledge. So there must be a reason the guy is still in there. But don't defend his play. It is not very good this year. maybe the best we got but not very good

This whole post is wrong! Every part of it...even suggesting the coaching is an expertise or knowledge.

Where do I begin.
The job if the inside linebacker is to take out the lead blocker on a run play. Guard or fullback but you take that blocker. Meet the blocker at the point of attack. He does this perfectly. Do NOT say he gets flung around doing that too......yep he does. Any good inside guy will get run over at times. The other team is trying too and at times they are going to win some of those battles.
Jaylon against temple was the first time all year he took on a blocker properly. Seriously. That is not opinion....that us fact. Jaylon at this level can get away with playing like that because he can skate on taking a block on....then still be able to run down the ball carrier ...but it still leaves a nice gain for the other team.
Yet according to some Jaylon is the second coming and Joe is the worst player to ever attend Notre Dame.

I like Jaylon. Fun to watch. I admire Joe and love how he takes the blockers on...which allows his teammates free to make a clean tackle. Which is what an ILB needs to do first and foremost in case you didn't know.

There is no player on that defense that couldn't be better at something ..including Jaylon.

The closest to perfect at the college level on this team is Sheldon Day.

 

[john0gaunt]

I'm assuming that opposing offenses are running right at Joe because he is not named Jaylon. I know the RB's at USC did and I'm sure our other opponents are doing the same thing. Many of these RB's are gong to be playing on Sundays so it's not an easy job for Joe. He is the team captain and his team is 8-1 and likely ranked in the top 4.

I'm a little biased because he went to my HS, but I'm on Joe's team all day long.

Go Irish!

 

[Yooper Irishfan]

I like Joe. Dude was great for us last year, and is obviously a smart kid. But these next two games would be an ideal time to see what we have in Nyles & Coney. Just sayin'.

 

[football1irish]

Hi Brian Kelly,

Please let Joe rest up. He has made so many tackles this year. Let him coach from the sidelines. He is good at screaming.

Haha....made me laugh....of course if we lose a playoff spot or national championship because Kelly refused to sit JS it will be no laughing matter.

 

[perseverare]

^ that ain't gonna happen; if it gets so obvious or the D is getting torn up where things get impossible for Joe, to be sure, Kelly will make the move.

 

[HRC08]

I'm assuming that opposing offenses are running right at Joe because he is not named Jaylon. I know the RB's at USC did and I'm sure our other opponents are doing the same thing. Many of these RB's are gong to be playing on Sundays so it's not an easy job for Joe. He is the team captain and his team is 8-1 and likely ranked in the top 4.

I'm a little biased because he went to my HS, but I'm on Joe's team all day long.

Go Irish!

We all love Joe! He's what most of us would be if we played at Notre Dame LOL. Undersized not very athletic but would run through a brick wall if it meant making a tackle for the Irish. The fact as you say most teams are running to Joe and away from Jaylon makes his limited amount of tackles even more alarming. He had one at Clemson and two at temple. Three tackles in our two biggest games.

 

[Bodizephax]

Joe can not get off blocks, I hope he is replaced before Stanford. It is not Joes fault he is starting--it is the Coaching staff. He is a terrible linebacker.

 

[theskibro]

This whole post is wrong! Every part of it...even suggesting the coaching is an expertise or knowledge.

Where do I begin.
The job if the inside linebacker is to take out the lead blocker on a run play. Guard or fullback but you take that blocker. Meet the blocker at the point of attack. He does this perfectly. Do NOT say he gets flung around doing that too......yep he does. Any good inside guy will get run over at times. The other team is trying too and at times they are going to win some of those battles.
Jaylon against temple was the first time all year he took on a blocker properly. Seriously. That is not opinion....that us fact. Jaylon at this level can get away with playing like that because he can skate on taking a block on....then still be able to run down the ball carrier ...but it still leaves a nice gain for the other team.
Yet according to some Jaylon is the second coming and Joe is the worst player to ever attend Notre Dame.

I like Jaylon. Fun to watch. I admire Joe and love how he takes the blockers on...which allows his teammates free to make a clean tackle. Which is what an ILB needs to do first and foremost in case you didn't know.

There is no player on that defense that couldn't be better at something ..including Jaylon.

The closest to perfect at the college level on this team is Sheldon Day.

This whole post is wrong! Every part of it...even suggesting the coaching is an expertise or knowledge.

Where do I begin.
The job if the inside linebacker is to take out the lead blocker on a run play. Guard or fullback but you take that blocker. Meet the blocker at the point of attack. He does this perfectly. Do NOT say he gets flung around doing that too......yep he does. Any good inside guy will get run over at times. The other team is trying too and at times they are going to win some of those battles.
Jaylon against temple was the first time all year he took on a blocker properly. Seriously. That is not opinion....that us fact. Jaylon at this level can get away with playing like that because he can skate on taking a block on....then still be able to run down the ball carrier ...but it still leaves a nice gain for the other team.
Yet according to some Jaylon is the second coming and Joe is the worst player to ever attend Notre Dame.

I like Jaylon. Fun to watch. I admire Joe and love how he takes the blockers on...which allows his teammates free to make a clean tackle. Which is what an ILB needs to do first and foremost in case you didn't know.

There is no player on that defense that couldn't be better at something ..including Jaylon.

The closest to perfect at the college level on this team is Sheldon Day.

look 88

Forget taking in blockers. What are you looking at? Countless plays show Joe Aline in space being slow to the ball and missing tackles. He flat out sux this year and a teAm like Bama will crush him

 

[IrishMike409]

Joe can not get off blocks, I hope he is replaced before Stanford. It is not Joes fault he is starting--it is the Coaching staff. He is a terrible linebacker.

LOL. OK, Bodi. If I did a review of your posts from the past 12 months, I could probably find one where you proclaim that Joe Schmidt is the next Dick Butkus.

 

[88ND]

look 88

Forget taking in blockers. What are you looking at? Countless plays show Joe Aline in space being slow to the ball and missing tackles. He flat out sux this year and a teAm like Bama will crush him

I'm looking at someone playing inside line backer. That is where my expectations begin, stay, and end.

All you ****ing guys had way too much expectations for him. So now suddenly everyone says he sucks. Which is totally absurd.
If you were hoping for the next Lambert it's your fault for having too much expectations on him.

He plays a good solid inside linebacker.
Not setting the world afire but his #1 priority is to take the lead blockers on to enable teammates freedom to make a clean tackle. He does this just fine.

The linebacker that can take the lead block on, then still make the tackle for nearly no gain isn't just the next Sunday player but is in the hall of fame. Those guys are once in a lifetime players.
Butkus, ntchke, Lambert, Lewis, singletary, urlacher ....
It is so ridiculously hard to do. Take a good hard black on, and make the tackle near the line of scrimmage. Any LB can take the block on and then make the tackle 8 yards down field.
Want to know some names currently who are good but do not do what I said above??
Clay Mathews...Sean Lee, Kuechly, bowman, Willis....etc etc.

Isn't it odd...or better yet a trend that urlacher and Lewis were the last of the elite type of backer I said above.
Going to be a long time IMO before we see an inside backer play elite level like those HOFers I listed above.

Schools are shying away from the heavy linebackers in fear of all the up tempo spread offenses.

 

[BGI User 1596]

I'm looking at someone playing inside line backer. That is where my expectations begin, stay, and end.

All you ****ing guys had way too much expectations for him. So now suddenly everyone says he sucks. Which is totally absurd.
If you were hoping for the next Lambert it's your fault for having too much expectations on him.

He plays a good solid inside linebacker.
Not setting the world afire but his #1 priority is to take the lead blockers on to enable teammates freedom to make a clean tackle. He does this just fine.

The linebacker that can take the lead block on, then still make the tackle for nearly no gain isn't just the next Sunday player but is in the hall of fame. Those guys are once in a lifetime players.
Butkus, ntchke, Lambert, Lewis, singletary, urlacher ....
It is so ridiculously hard to do. Take a good hard black on, and make the tackle near the line of scrimmage. Any LB can take the block on and then make the tackle 8 yards down field.
Want to know some names currently who are good but do not do what I said above??
Clay Mathews...Sean Lee, Kuechly, bowman, Willis....etc etc.

Isn't it odd...or better yet a trend that urlacher and Lewis were the last of the elite type of backer I said above.
Going to be a long time IMO before we see an inside backer play elite level like those HOFers I listed above.

Schools are shying away from the heavy linebackers in fear of all the up tempo spread offenses.

Might as well shut down the ND football program when Joe graduates since nobody else can play the position.

 

[perseverare]

and Jaylon will be an UDFA

 

[Java65]

I'm looking at someone playing inside line backer. That is where my expectations begin, stay, and end.

All you ****ing guys had way too much expectations for him. So now suddenly everyone says he sucks. Which is totally absurd.
If you were hoping for the next Lambert it's your fault for having too much expectations on him.

He plays a good solid inside linebacker.
Not setting the world afire but his #1 priority is to take the lead blockers on to enable teammates freedom to make a clean tackle. He does this just fine.

The linebacker that can take the lead block on, then still make the tackle for nearly no gain isn't just the next Sunday player but is in the hall of fame. Those guys are once in a lifetime players.
Butkus, ntchke, Lambert, Lewis, singletary, urlacher ....
It is so ridiculously hard to do. Take a good hard black on, and make the tackle near the line of scrimmage. Any LB can take the block on and then make the tackle 8 yards down field.
Want to know some names currently who are good but do not do what I said above??
Clay Mathews...Sean Lee, Kuechly, bowman, Willis....etc etc.

Isn't it odd...or better yet a trend that urlacher and Lewis were the last of the elite type of backer I said above.
Going to be a long time IMO before we see an inside backer play elite level like those HOFers I listed above.

Schools are shying away from the heavy linebackers in fear of all the up tempo spread offenses.

I said last year he shouldn't be playing. Everyone likes to kid themselves that the injury to Schmidt was the downfall of the defense but the defense hadn't played well in the previous few games before and was terrible vs Navy even before he got hurt.

I'm not expecting him to be an AA but once I'd like to see him shed a block and make a play. If an OL or TE get's to him, he's done.

 

[IrishMike409]

I said last year he shouldn't be playing. Everyone likes to kid themselves that the injury to Schmidt was the downfall of the defense but the defense hadn't played well in the previous few games before and was terrible vs Navy even before he got hurt.

I'm not expecting him to be an AA but once I'd like to see him shed a block and make a play. If an OL or TE get's to him, he's done.

15-2 with him. 1-4 without him.

 

[Java65]

15-2 with him. 1-4 without him.

Yes we beat the likes of; Rice, UM (5-7), Syracuse, Stanford (8-5) and UNC (6-7). Lost to ASU (10-3), USC (9-4), Louisville (9-4) and USC (9-4)

.. but don't let the fact that Schmidt played the cupcake part of the schedule interfere with the delusion that he played well last year.

 

[Pennick4]

Yes we beat the likes of; Rice, UM (5-7), Syracuse, Stanford (8-5) and UNC (6-7). Lost to ASU (10-3), USC (9-4), Louisville (9-4) and USC (9-4)

.. but don't let the fact that Schmidt played the cupcake part of the schedule interfere with the delusion that he played well last year.

Doesn't mean he isn't the best option

 

[FightingIrish44]

• 15-2 with him. 1-4 without him.

  
  ND went 6-6 with Jimmy Clausen, Kyle Rudolph, Michael Floyd, and Golden Tate. Football is a team game.

 

[Java65]

Doesn't mean he isn't the best option

... no what makes that so is the fact his is completely unable to get off a block and the can't cover. Several times vs Pitt a TE, not even an OL, got on him and he was never once able to shed the block.. never.

Look, I respect the kid and I am blaming the coaches, not him. Much like Kelly did with the offense this year BVG needs to simplify the defense so you don't need a Phd to play in it.

 

[Pennick4]

I think the defense has been ok considering the talent.

 

[Java65]

I think the defense has been ok considering the talent.

I agree. I don't think the defense has been as bad as a lot of other fans. I'm just saying that Schmidt is not playing well.

 

[perseverare]

best description of the D is 'inconsistant'

 

[SiberianKnightmare]

We always need someone to beat up. Poor Joe is the 2015 victim.