I think the same will happen with Buch. But they need Hartman to push him.
Remember Quinn and Clausen had tbeir biggest development between Soph and Jr years
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How can this many people be this punch drunk about a QB who will never be accurate, nor have a huge arm, throws pick 6's with pride
He got lucky in the Gator bowl against South Carolina with a defense a shadow of itself.
The Gamecocks were missing far more on defense than we were on offense.
He's not going to be accurate. His mind is made up pre-snap..
To this point he's very brittle.
I get it... y'all want him to be the guy. That mobility is tough to defend but it begins and ends right there.
Neither of them needed a complete throwing mechanics overhaul.
There’s something alarming going on upstairs to throw 4 pick 6s in just over 100 passing attempts
I agree he can improve and will, but if I’m freeman/Rees it would be hard to trust him if you think you have a cfp caliber team….
So there’s two huge issues, throwing mechanics that make him struggle on some easy passes, and mental breakdowns resulting him making the absolute wrong read resulting in pick 6s
Rather overdone; but then your tone indicates you would find something wrong about Quinn no matter what
He was an EXCELLENT college QB and that is what mattered. One always wondered if USC had not gotten away with the Bush Push what might have happened if ND had won that game
Actually, quite the contrary. I wanted to like him much more than I did. But there was no way to get around his inconsistent throws.
That must be why he threw for 65 % and 62 % , for 7,345 yards, and a YPA of 8.0 his last two years at ND and that must be why the NFL drafted him in the first round !
So tell us how throwing for 65 % and 62 % is indicative of being an inaccurate and inconsistent passer ?
Thanks
Big difference is that ND was rebuilding - this team is playoff-caliber. I think having a vet like Hartman will help him immensely, especially with reading defenses, etc. From what I've heard, Sam is a great teammate. If so, this helps the team NOW, and Buchner for the future.
Buchner is still inexperienced, even at the high school level. I expect Hartman to be the starter, and Buchner to get meaningful PT in certain situations.
Well you were one of the dopes who probably thought he was inaccurate after his first 2 years like Buchner
It’s really hard to believe that someone, other than a total moron, could make such an uninformed, inaccurate and ignorant statement, but you made believers of us all and confirmed what a complete and total moron you are !
I think there’s a big difference in why quinn and others didn’t have great accuracy stats early vs Buchner… no one questioned if they were physically capable of being accurate like we are with Buchner and did with wimbush. I was so frichan high on Buchner a few years ago, I’m just floored he would change to his current form
He's barely played. He has less career snaps than Quinn did as a freshman. And he didn't play as a senior. We finally got to see him show some of his potential in the bowl game. Let him develop over 10 months and you could have a stud
I dont question that Buchner has the physical capabiltiy to be accurate. Thats asinine. His footwork needs improvement and he rushes throws. Understandable hes barely played. That can easily be improved with reps. He made a few throws that show what he is capable of, the one to Thomas was a dime piece. Not a physical issue at all
What part of his footwork needs improvement and how would you improve it.
Why would ND recruit a QB with poor footwork who also rushes his throws.
What causes him to rush his throws ?
He throws like it’s a grenade or shot put… it’s awful form . If you can’t see it or admit it that’s blind faith vs reality
The chip shots he threw at the dirt..
or over the head of Samardzija. Quinn had the biggest advantages of players around him, and could not capitalize.
Total yards record breaker is all but meaningless when he played for coaches that passed way more than previous coaches.
Again, this is not to say he was bad, just over rated.
No.
That's what you say I said.
I actually said nothing of the kind, which means your post is dishonestly putting words in my mouth.
I never said it wasn't awful form. I dont really care about it. Fix your footwork, have the game slow down for him with reps, it wont mean a thing
i hope so, should make him much more ready to have a shot at leading the team in 2024
Nasty has no idea what he's talking about. Buchner has a very coachable footwork issue that makes him overthrow or underthrows simple throws from the pocket.
Like you said, it's fixed with reps and coaching. His arm tech is fine. It's unorthodox but is quick release and has enough power to throw a deep ball.
Looking at the trainwreck that is TB passing the ball, I have to laugh at those that so blithely say it is an easy fix.
He has been at ND for HOW LONG?
You mean to tell me no one has been trying to fix it?
BS.
And his form has NOT changed at all. What there is of it.
AND even if by some miracle his form is fixed, that does nothing for his football IQ which is room temperature
He has been at ND for HOW LONG?
You mean to tell me no one has been trying to fix it?
BS.
And his form has NOT changed at all. What there is of it.
AND even if by some miracle his form is fixed, that does nothing for his football IQ which is room temperature
Yeah my bad.... No throwing mechanics issues and no decision making issues. Just needs better footwork and more reps. Completely normal for an inexperienced QB with footwork issues to throw 4 pick 6's in 118 passing attempts.
look, i was higher on buchner than anyone a few years ago. This is not the QB i was expecting at all.
He has a ways to go and I think learning and watching a really good college QB will help him next year and especially for 2024. I expect him to play next year regularly just not starting and or leading the team.
Pick 6s are random. Lot of young qbs throw ints
Who's gonna teach him how to throw the football?
Let's start with the throwing motion and the nose of the football..
Then move to footwork and then concept of the offense.
Other than that he's well on his way to being a legend at Notre Dame..
Let's start with the throwing motion and the nose of the football..
Then move to footwork and then concept of the offense.
Other than that he's well on his way to being a legend at Notre Dame..
....remember when the ND staff couldn't even get Golson to grip the ball by the laces when throwing?....
Yes. Brian Kelly had a lot of no hitch reads and it messed with his location when he had to spin the ball around and grab the laces.
Lots of QBs throw without the laces. Golson was a freak of an athlete/QB. Slight kid with huge hands quick feet and a live arm.
Buchner can not be compared to Golson in any way.
....you left his out ability to play the piano....
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