Rankings..

[NDgreatestofalltime!]

Just discussing the CFB rankings with some buddies tonight. We were talking about what the rankings will be vs who we think is the best teams ranked in order.

I’m curious of the thoughts of other board members.

What I think rankings will be.
1. Oregon 2.PSU 3.UGA 4.OSU 5.Miami 6. Texas 7. LSU 8. Tennessee 9. Clemson 10. ISU

The teams ranked in order of who I think is actually the best.

1. UGA 2. Oregon 3. Texas 4. OSU 5. Clemson 6. Tennessee 7. LSU 8. Bama 9. ND 10. A&M and 11. PSU

I don’t think PSU would be favored on against a single one of those SEC teams on a neutral field, they’ve played no one. OSU hasn’t beat anyone of merit either but their roster is loaded and that very tight loss to Oregon.

It seems the SEC is leaps ahead of the B1G IMO from top to bottom. Let’s take the SEC’s top 7 vs B1Gs top 7.

UGA, UT, LSU, Tennessee, A&M, Bama, Mizzou vs Oregon, PSU, OSU, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Iowa.

If I had to pick a schedule to play either one of those, I’m picking the B1G every time.

 

[Golson5]

Just discussing the CFB rankings with some buddies tonight. We were talking about what the rankings will be vs who we think is the best teams ranked in order.

I’m curious of the thoughts of other board members.

What I think rankings will be.
1. Oregon 2.PSU 3.UGA 4.OSU 5.Miami 6. Texas 7. LSU 8. Tennessee 9. Clemson 10. ISU

The teams ranked in order of who I think is actually the best.

1. UGA 2. Oregon 3. Texas 4. OSU 5. Clemson 6. Tennessee 7. LSU 8. Bama 9. ND 10. A&M and 11. PSU

I don’t think PSU would be favored on against a single one of those SEC teams on a neutral field, they’ve played no one. OSU hasn’t beat anyone of merit either but their roster is loaded and that very tight loss to Oregon.

It seems the SEC is leaps ahead of the B1G IMO from top to bottom. Let’s take the SEC’s top 7 vs B1Gs top 7.

UGA, UT, LSU, Tennessee, A&M, Bama, Mizzou vs Oregon, PSU, OSU, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Iowa.

If I had to pick a schedule to play either one of those, I’m picking the B1G every time.

No way Texas drops that much

 

[NDgreatestofalltime!]

Miami is “uNDefEaTEd”, that’s what reporters look at. Texas lost by 15 at home too, to who I think is the best team in CFB (UGA).

 

[Golson5]

Miami is “uNDefEaTEd”, that’s what reporters look at. Texas lost by 15 at home too, to who I think is the best team in CFB (UGA).

I think there's a chance they only drop to 3 or 4.

Miami won't be in the top 5 this week

 

[NDgreatestofalltime!]

I think there's a chance they only drop to 3 or 4.

Miami won't be in the top 5 this week

I agree they shouldn’t but sports reporters are always “but they’re undefeated”…

 

[Golson5]

I agree they shouldn’t but sports reporters are always “but they’re undefeated”…

Georgia and Ohio state were ahead of Miami this week and they both have 1 loss. Texas will be ahead of them too

 

[NDgreatestofalltime!]

Georgia and Ohio state were ahead of Miami this week and they both have 1 loss. Texas will be ahead of them too

I don’t think it matters still. I’ve watched portions of Miami games and I just don’t get them, seem to have great athletes but a lot of poor decisions, bad tackling, like USC of the south.

I don’t think they’ll make the ACC title game against Clemson.

 

[mbd11]

I doubt we go up this week. They'll probably drop Alabama about 2 spots, and they'll still be ahead of us LOL.

And BTW PSU did beat USC, which LSU didn't.

 

[buckey]

I doubt we go up this week. They'll probably drop Alabama about 2 spots, and they'll still be ahead of us LOL.

And BTW PSU did beat USC, which LSU didn't.

So did maryland

 

[chaseball]

I agree they shouldn’t but sports reporters are always “but they’re undefeated”…

That's why we got to evolve past evaluating teams based on how many wins and losses they have especially with the crazy amount of variance in college football in terms of schedule quality between the teams and conferences.

I think this is why the Big ten and SEC want to merge their scheduling and even form their own playoff because they don't think it's fair that they should be left out of the playoff or be given worse positioning when they're playing way tougher teams week in and week out and will have more losses on their record for no other reason than they played a much stronger conference schedule

The problem with expanding the playoff to the best 12 teams is that 10 of the 12 teams are going to be Big Ten and SEC schools so you have to structure the college football playoffs in a way that is more inclusive but the SEC and Big ten are saying F that we're going to take our ball and go home and make our own playoff and crown the real national champion😂

 

[THUNDERSTRUCK111]

That's why we got to evolve past evaluating teams based on how many wins and losses they have especially with the crazy amount of variance in college football in terms of schedule quality between the teams and conferences.

I think this is why the Big ten and SEC want to merge into a super conference because they don't think it's fair that they should be left out of the playoff when they're playing way tougher teams week in and week out and will have more losses on their record for no other reason than they played a much stronger conference schedule

The problem with expanding the playoff to the best 12 teams is that 10 of the 12 teams are going to be Big Ten and SEC schools so you have the structure the playoffs in a way that is more inclusive but the SEC and Big ten are saying F that we're going to take our ball and go home and make our own playoff and crown the real national champion😂

They made the deal to play each other the way they are. What did they expect ?

 

[mbd11]

So did maryland

Yeah, but they're undefeated, so if you're ranking the teams, you have to put them up there - and certainly ahead of LSU.

They also beat UCLA by about the same margin LSU did.

 

[chaseball]

They made the deal to play each other the way they are. What did they expect ?

There is so many changes going on so quickly at the highest level of college football that I think a lot of admins are getting hit in the face with curveballs after signing traditional deals with conferences that lock them in for 20 years.

No way Jack Swarbrick signs the next 25 years away of ND football to the ACC under these terms if he knew the SEC and Big ten would be merging into the juggernaut conferences that they are now

 

[Golson5]

There is so many changes going on so quickly at the highest level of college football that I think a lot of admins are getting hit in the face with curveballs after signing traditional deals with conferences that lock them in for 20 years.

No way Jack Swarbrick signs the next 25 years away of ND football to the ACC under these terms if he knew the SEC and Big ten would be merging into the juggernaut conferences that they are now

Why?

 

[chaseball]

Why?

Because Notre Dame can easily be blocked out from competing with any of those teams in the SEC and big10 and end up having a schedule full of whatever is left of the g5, Big 12 and ACC.

The reason why people watch Notre Dame football games in large numbers is because they want to see Notre Dame competing with the best teams for the best awards at the highest stakes. You lose that part of your product to sell to fans and you start losing fans. And once you start losing fans you start losing power.

I just hope Notre Dame doesn't get left behind as a result of this ACC deal. And it's already starting to feel like they are

The Big ten and SEC are starting to have weekly ratings busters matchups between teams up and down the top 25 week in and week out while Notre Dame is stuck playing trash in the ACC and the G5.

 

[ndhuntington]

Ap rankings are a joke. After they moved LSU to 8 after the the Ole Miss game was crazy. I won't be surprised if Iowa State moves up after there amazing last second win over Central Florida at home. Also Alabama will probably only drop one spot.

 

[chaseball]

I'm worried about the rumors of the SEC and Big10 merging their scheduling and even forming their own playoff. They are already dominating all of the top talent in the country and thus all of the biggest games during the season.

Also worried about the rumors of Miami Clemson and Florida State exiting the ACC and joining the SEC

If Notre Dame wasn't contractually obligated to the ACC they could easily join the Big ten or the SEC and get in on the action under very favorable terms instead they may just be getting blocked out and left behind. Who knows?

 

[Golson5]

Because Notre Dame can easily be blocked out from competing with any of those teams in the SEC and big10 and end up having a schedule full of whatever is left of the g5, Big 12 and ACC.

The reason why people watch Notre Dame football games in large numbers is because they want to see Notre Dame competing with the best teams for the best awards at the highest stakes. You lose that part of your product to sell to fans and you start losing fans. And once you start losing fans you start losing power.

I just hope Notre Dame doesn't get left behind as a result of this ACC deal. And it's already starting to feel like they are

The Big ten and SEC are starting to have weekly ratings busters matchups between teams up and down the top 25 week in and week out while Notre Dame is stuck playing trash in the ACC and the G5.

And still make the Playoff and compete for a NC

The ACC is the 3rd best conference in the country and we play 5 games against them. We also play and schedule teams from the Big 10 and SEC and quality non p4 teams

We aren't losing fans or power. You're obsessed with those 2 conferences

 

[Golson5]

I'm worried about the rumors of the SEC and Big10 merging their scheduling and even forming their own playoff. They are already dominating all of the top talent in the country and thus all of the biggest games during the season.

Also worried about the rumors of Miami Clemson and Florida State exiting the ACC and joining the SEC

If Notre Dame wasn't contractually obligated to the ACC they could easily join the Big ten or the SEC and get in on the action under very favorable terms instead they may just be getting blocked out and left behind. Who knows?

Lol

 

[mbd11]

Ap rankings are a joke. After they moved LSU to 8 after the the Ole Miss game was crazy. I won't be surprised if Iowa State moves up after there amazing last second win over Central Florida at home. Also Alabama will probably only drop one spot.

Fortunately, they don't matter. The only one that does is the CFP poll, which is coming out in a few weeks.

 

[NDinNJ]

Ap rankings are a joke. After they moved LSU to 8 after the the Ole Miss game was crazy. I won't be surprised if Iowa State moves up after there amazing last second win over Central Florida at home. Also Alabama will probably only drop one spot.

Read what you are posting. You're complaining about teams moving up after wins. Iowa State is undefeated, and LSU has 1 loss to a P4 team, and have beaten a quality opponent.

ND lost to Northern Illinois who lost to Buffalo and Toledo.

We as fans should be happy ND is on the cusp of cracking the top 10.

 

[Golson5]

We should be ranked ahead of Iowa state but it doesn't really matter at this point

 

[NDgreatestofalltime!]

I just read three AP voters had ND 20 or 21, with the same voters having A&M as high as 12???

I saw that one AP voter has Bama 8th, Ole Miss 12th and ND 19th. How is this kind of bias and ineptitude allowed

 

[Golson5]

I just read three AP voters had ND 20 or 21, with the same voters having A&M as high as 12???

I saw that one AP voter has Bama 8th, Ole Miss 12th and ND 19th. How is this kind of bias and ineptitude allowed

There is one voter who didn't have us ranked in the top 25.

 

[banmate6]

The BIG and SEC are leading where college football is going. But I believe they will always find a way to include ND in scheduling...accommodating ND independence, maintaining rivalries. This is NCAA football culture, built on history, a still strong ND brand.

As long as ND stays top 10 often enough, I believe the BIG and SEC will be accommodating. Maybe ND has less runway for mistakes, but still a very good deal...as is so far the case if these rankings mean anything.

I will be happy if ND makes the playoffs. So far so good.

 

[Patrirish]

Read what you are posting. You're complaining about teams moving up after wins. Iowa State is undefeated, and LSU has 1 loss to a P4 team, and have beaten a quality opponent.

ND lost to Northern Illinois who lost to Buffalo and Toledo.

We as fans should be happy ND is on the cusp of cracking the top 10.

👍

 

[Harpo Marxist]

The BIG and SEC are leading where college football is going. But I believe they will always find a way to include ND in scheduling...accommodating ND independence, maintaining rivalries. This is NCAA football culture, built on history, a still strong ND brand.

As long as ND stays top 10 often enough, I believe the BIG and SEC will be accommodating. Maybe ND has less runway for mistakes, but still a very good deal...as is so far the case if these rankings mean anything.

I will be happy if ND makes the playoffs. So far so good.

There seems to be some dependency on benevolence in your perspective. Dependency is the opposite of "independency"....which is the hallmark of Notre Dame in the national landscape. This is a conundrum.

 

[burmafrd1943]

There seems to be some dependency on benevolence in your perspective. Dependency is the opposite of "independency"....which is the hallmark of Notre Dame in the national landscape. This is a conundrum.

We win and we get in; simple as that. Nothing else in the end really matters

 

[4-4-3]

Just discussing the CFB rankings with some buddies tonight. We were talking about what the rankings will be vs who we think is the best teams ranked in order.

I’m curious of the thoughts of other board members.

What I think rankings will be.
1. Oregon 2.PSU 3.UGA 4.OSU 5.Miami 6. Texas 7. LSU 8. Tennessee 9. Clemson 10. ISU

The teams ranked in order of who I think is actually the best.

1. UGA 2. Oregon 3. Texas 4. OSU 5. Clemson 6. Tennessee 7. LSU 8. Bama 9. ND 10. A&M and 11. PSU

I don’t think PSU would be favored on against a single one of those SEC teams on a neutral field, they’ve played no one. OSU hasn’t beat anyone of merit either but their roster is loaded and that very tight loss to Oregon.

It seems the SEC is leaps ahead of the B1G IMO from top to bottom. Let’s take the SEC’s top 7 vs B1Gs top 7.

UGA, UT, LSU, Tennessee, A&M, Bama, Mizzou vs Oregon, PSU, OSU, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Iowa.

If I had to pick a schedule to play either one of those, I’m picking the B1G every time.

POWER RANKINGS AS PER THE WEEK ENDING 10-19-24

Cumulative total points differential + cumulative total yardage differential x the SOS coefficient when above the mean and -:- by it when below the mean:

The first number in parenthesis is the team’s FPI ranking; the second, its AP ranking.

1. Ohio State – 651.35 (1)/(4)

2. Texas – 559.78 (2)/(5)

3. Ole Miss – 550.65 (5)/(18)

4. Miami – 498.58 (10)/(6)

5. Tennessee – 431.95 (6)/(7)

6. Indiana – 405.49 (11)/(13)

7. Notre Dame – 396.17 (7)/(12)

8. Oregon – 392.44 (8)/(1)

9. Georgia – 385.15 (4)/(2)

10. Penn State – 379.30 (9)/(3)

11. Alabama – 371.65 (3)/(15)

12. Clemson – 326.62 (13)/(9)

13. SMU – 283.84 (16/(22)

14. Washington – 274.70 (39)/(NR)

15. Boise State – 258.79 (21)/(17)

16. LSU – 253.15 (12)/(8)

17. Missouri – 249.43 (20)/(21)

18. Louisville – 248.06 (17)/(NR)

19. Iowa State – 236.62 (17)/(9)

20. Texas A&M – 235.09 (14)/(14)

21. Wisconsin – 232.33 (25)/(NR)

22. Arkansas – 228.25 (31)/(NR)

23. USC – 225.02 (15)/(NR)

24. Georgia Tech – 200.19 (37)/(NR)

25. South Carolina – 189.38 (23)/(NR)

Teams Ranked by FPI and/or the AP Falling Outside the Top 25 Power Ranking:

Kansas State, ranked 21st as per FPI and 17th by the AP – 188.50.

Florida, ranked 22nd as per FPI and unranked by the AP – 141.03.

BYU, ranked 30th as per FPI and 11th by the AP – 185.37.

Pitt, ranked 33rd as per FPI and 19th by the AP – 180.76.

Army, ranked 51st as per FPI and 23rd by the AP – 182.46.

Illinois, ranked 55th as per FPI and 20th by the AP – 104.55.

Navy, ranked 65th as per FPI and 24th by the AP – 105.57.

Using a measurement system developed off the back of these numbers, ND is – based on its ACTUAL PERFORMANCE against the teams it’s played to date – a 17.5 to 21 points more powerful team on a neutral field than Navy.

But ND’S POWER ADVANTAGE here is merely INDICATIVE, and in no way necessarily PREDICTIVE as to how well it will play against Navy. But on paper, SO FAR, there’s NO ARGUING that it has demonstrated itself to be a three-scores MORE POWERFUL team.

LAST WEEK’S POWER RANKINGS

1. Texas – 562.97 (1)/(1)

2. Ohio State – 510.13 (2)/(4)

3. Ole Miss – 497.53 (5)/(18)

4. Miami – 397.88 (10)/(6)

5. Alabama – 397.45 (3)/(7)

6. Penn State – 376.69 (9)/(3)

7. Notre Dame – 374.00 (6)/(12)

8. Oregon – 372.76 (8)/(2)

9. Indiana – 337.03 (15)/(16)

10. Georgia – 335.82 (4)/(5)

11. Tennessee – 334.15 (7)/(11)

12. Louisville – 315.39 (16)/(NR)

13. Washington – 310.87 (40)/(NR)

14. Missouri – 280.64 (19)/(19)

15. Boise State – 262.64 (22)/(15)

16. USC – 257.98 (13)/(NR)

17. Arkansas – 249.99 (25)/(NR)

18. Texas A&M – 248.92 (12)/(14)

19. Clemson – 245.82 (11)/10

20. Iowa State – 244.63 (17)/(9)

21. SMU – 237.63 (18)/(21)

22. Tulane – 223.79 (24)/(NR)

23. Georgia Tech – 219.09 (43)/(NR)

24. LSU – 198.49 (14)/(8)

25. Pitt – 196.86 (36)/(20)