Rank Weis, Willingham, and Davie
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wow An exercise in futility for sure. Who do I dislike the most? Weis, Ty, Davie
Who was best coach? All suck impossible to rate Davie had numerous fiascos like the Nebraska game "no cajones" play it safe, etc Fired Joe the O line coach -
Weis was terrible and the pantry was not bare from Ty. Ty was very bad, almost criminal with his lack of effort and golf distraction
Recruiting? Weis, Davie, Ty
This is one of the darkest periods in ND history and we are still paying the price Inexcusable.
Biggest mastermind of all this Lunacy? Kevin white
There is in my opinion, no value from this thread because they all are despicable If I had to pick the best one it is Davie because as bad as he was, he tried and had minimal collateral damage -- by that I mean, he did not make outlandish claims and boasts and have snot dripping off his nose. He did not check out and play golf.
1. Weis, he did get ND to 2 BCS bowls with the empty bench that Tytanic left him.
2. Davie, started the downward spiral.
3. Tytanic, just lazy and left the program in shambles.
2. Davie, started the downward spiral.
3. Tytanic, just lazy and left the program in shambles.
What about Joe Kuharich Terry Brennan, Gerry Faust and Hunk Anderson? The message boards were going crazy during Hunk's tenure. I had a hard time explaining to the masses that following Rock was a no win proposition. The fans from Eastern Michigan need to chime in on how they view dark periods in a football program. They are experts in this kind of torment.
You could pick from a large sampling, but since those 3 were the most recent and everyone posting here today was alive and most likely following ND during their tenures I figured I would ask about them. But yeah, I guess we could also argue 3 worst rulers of Rome, and the timeline after Alexander the Great as well.
Weis was perhaps the biggest disappointment, but the best of the three in my opinion because he left the program stocked with much better talent than he inherited from Ty. I hated the Davie hire and his early undermining of Holtz, but thought he was better than The disaster known as Ty.
Seeing as they all played roughly equivalent schedules:
1a) Davie .583
1b) Willingham .583
3) Weis .564
1a) Davie .583
1b) Willingham .583
3) Weis .564
the 2007 campaign when the Irish went 3-9 had a huge impact on Weis' .564 slate. The recruiting "effort" from Tytanic really had a factor here. Not saying that his overall record would have been better, but TY really left the program in terrible shape (forced Weis to play many underclassman before they were ready).
Weis was probably the worst of the three. Folks say he left the cupboard stocked for Kelly and that couldn't be further from the truth. ND didn't have a single player drafted in the 2011 draft and only four drafted in 2012. When Weis took over in 2005, he inherited a loaded roster of upperclassmen. 11 players got drafted after the '05 and '06 season.
Hmm. I understand the "blame Ty" reasoning. He was a crappy recruiter.
BUT Weis had MOST of his success early on, using Ty's recruits. It wasn't until years 3-5 when Weis' own recruits should have been carrying the load that the roof fell in.
Weis got the team to bigger bowls but only won a minor post season game. Weis' best game was probably his close loss to USC. Willingham had the better wins.
I'm sure there are some posters here who would take all 3 of these mental midgets of Brian Kelly!
Weis got dealt the worst hand of any of them, by dealer Willingham, in 2007. That skews his numbers unfavorably.
If Willingham left the cupboard so bare, why did Weis do WORSE with his own recruits..? Sometimes recruiting rankings are inaccurate.
Weis could hardly recruit after Tytanic left the football world thinking ND was a racist institution.
Exactly. Weis reminded me a lot of Joe Khuarich. Both came from the NFL where player development is not a priority ... daily practices are more on game strategies, timing, etc than on developing fundamental skills like it is in high school and college. Also Weis like Khuarich (and Kelly in some ways) seem to be of the same school of thought ... you win by out scoring your opponents ... therefore more time and recruiting is focussed on players who would help the offense.
As for Davie, Willingham and Weis ... they were all bad in different ways. Davie knew defense and had no real offense. Willingham lacked recruiting. Weis was short on player development and defense.
This a thousand times. If Weis could develop players he would have been much better HC. He recruited some very good players but didn't develop them.
Prior to becoming an NFL HC Kuharich was a CFB Head Coach from 1948-1951. He had an undefeated season in 1951.
If the stop is made on 4th and nine, would that have changed the career of Charlie Weis at ND? Would wins now become the rule or would things just play out the way they did? Was that single play a career changer, even in year one?
weis has always left the cupboard bare..... there was a recent sighting of the NJ blubberboy....
Charlie earned a degree from ND, has a Super Bowl ring, was the HC at Notre Dame, and started a foundation for children and young adults with autism. How about you? What have you done besides hanging out on a free message board?
That seems to be the trend these days. Back in Ara's tenure, you won by not allowing your opponents to score.
I guess either offenses have become so proficient or rule changes have handcuffed defenses so much that it is no longer possible to limit scoring. But one of these days, somebody will find a way.
i can still see zbikowski for who knows why biting on the play action and making himself late on the over the top help. inexcusable.
Always questioned that myself -- WHY was Zibby taking a step or 2 up in that situation?
he was the king of it. never met a play action fake he didn't like.
I think the goal has always been shut outs for the defense and score 40 plus for the offense. Get the second team in during the third quarter, etc.
It is just that in the 1960's the defenses were ahead and nowadays the offenses are ahead.
I remember a year that ND took a 35-0 halftime lead over Army and won the game by the same score. Ara was furious. I believe it was 1966.
When I was 15 they tried to teach me to play safety. Didn't last long as I suffered from the same failing as Zibby.
