Question: In terms of successful head coaches,
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Interesting question. Do not know. However, I do know that it doesn’t matter or should not matter. You either have it or you don’t. There are so many qualities that go into being successful and I think most of it is innate
I don't beiieve it matters one way or the other. Bill Belichik and Andy Reid are arguably the best two head coaches alive and still coaching, Kyle Shanahan and Pete Carroll are both top 10, all are on both sides of the football, and all have an it factor.
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It’s not a prospective question, it‘s a retrospective question that’s trying to ascertain if there’s a statistical advantage associated with an offensive or defensive headset.
I don’t know the answer and I’m not predisposed to either one.
There's no answer. Either you can do the job or you can't, no matter what side of the football you come from. It's not even worth discussing at length.
There's so much more that goes into that gig than which side of the football you come from.
You’re missing the point and viewing this prospectively rather than analytically, from existing data.
And, if the statistics showed a 60 % vs a 40 % success rate of one over the other, what would that tell you about your next prospective hire ?
I don't give a shit what statistics say. You can cherry pick statistics to fit any argument.
You continue to miss the point.
And no, you can’t cherry pick statistics to fit every argument.
If 100 % of patients diagnosed with a High Grade Glioma, a brain tumor that’s non-survivable, die within 24 months, and you’re 40 years of age and you get diagnosed with a HGG, do you think that you’ll live to normal expectancy for a 40 year old ? Or do you think that your expectancy is two years or less ?
Statistical analysis is a proven and valid science and anyone who ignores it is foolish
And you continue to be annoying AF
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Not sure I know, but I would toss some thoughts. I would also believe that there might be a different answer based on era. Maybe Offensive coaches were better in the 80s,.....
Saban, Kelly and Kirby were all DC's. Those 3 have lots of wins.
Dabo was an OC as was Riley, not as many wins.
So based on just that tiny bit of knowledge, it tells you DC's win. Maybe its the fire, the film study and the passion that translates. Maybe OC people are more cerebral and less guttural.
But if thats true, we seem to have made the right choice. 😁
Saban, Kelly and Kirby were all DC's. Those 3 have lots of wins.
Dabo was an OC as was Riley, not as many wins.
So based on just that tiny bit of knowledge, it tells you DC's win. Maybe its the fire, the film study and the passion that translates. Maybe OC people are more cerebral and less guttural.
But if thats true, we seem to have made the right choice. 😁
I’m not sure there is a correlation here.
I would imagine if you looked at all of the great coaches, it won’t be exactly 50/50 D cords to O Cords; but you also have to factor in the incredible coordinators that couldn’t cut it as a head coach.
It’s like asking did great CEO’s come from sales or finance? It’s about hiring talent and managing a team. My guess is no correlation, great examples from each side as well as those that have failed.
I would imagine if you looked at all of the great coaches, it won’t be exactly 50/50 D cords to O Cords; but you also have to factor in the incredible coordinators that couldn’t cut it as a head coach.
It’s like asking did great CEO’s come from sales or finance? It’s about hiring talent and managing a team. My guess is no correlation, great examples from each side as well as those that have failed.
I know that !
I‘m just trying to see if there’s any statistical evidence that demonstrates the relative success rates of both coordinators
You ask a question and then you start arguing with people who reply. Go figure.
An article on college head coaches:
Offense vs. Defense: Who Makes the Best Head Coach in College Football?
Listening to the local sports radio show here in Birmingham, Ala., Dunaway and Brown, the subject came up about who makes a better head coach, an offensively minded coach or a defensively minded ...
syndication.bleacherreport.com
another article, but NFL
www.nj.com
Do offensive or defensive HC have more success?
Which side of the ball should the Giants be targeting?
Historically records have been similar but there are more OC's as HC's. Anecdotally, OC's seem a little better to me because they need to create as opposed to disrupt. But lots of great examples of fantastic DC hires. Kyle Willingham does more with less and Kirby Smart does more with more.
Gee.....I have access to the internet......googled the question.... and found an answer....
I fully understood the question. Whether you're Andy Reid or Bill Belichik, Kyle Shanahan or Pete Carroll, it doesn't matter.
Your question has no answer. It doesn't matter.
NO, you still don’t understand the question and the context in which it was asked, it wasn’t a qualitative question, it was a quantitative question.
Just admit that you don’t understand the question and the context in which it was asked.
Unfortunately, you’re the ignorant one ! 🥵
Interesting. Unfortunately just pre 2008An article on college head coaches:
Offense vs. Defense: Who Makes the Best Head Coach in College Football?
Listening to the local sports radio show here in Birmingham, Ala., Dunaway and Brown, the subject came up about who makes a better head coach, an offensively minded coach or a defensively minded ...syndication.bleacherreport.com
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