PFF top 101

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

While I don't believe PFF to be perfect in grading performance. It's an interesting read. OSU led with 12 players. ND and Texas tied for 2nd with 7. Watts, Love, Moore, RL, Clark, Bowen, Shuler. What i take from this is while Freeman does not yet have the talent of OSU and Texas. He is squeezing every ounce of potential out of his players.

PFF College 101: The top 101 players from the 2024 college football season

Max Chadwick, Dalton Wasserman and Mitch Kiser reveals the PFF College 101, which lists the 101 best players from the 2024 college football season.

www.pff.com

 

[Juniper_Run]

Interesting list - thanks for posting.

 

[sjb75]

Good stuff.

 

[Get Nasty]

While I don't believe PFF to be perfect in grading performance. It's an interesting read. OSU led with 12 players. ND and Texas tied for 2nd with 7. Watts, Love, Moore, RL, Clark, Bowen, Shuler. What i take from this is while Freeman does not yet have the talent of OSU and Texas. He is squeezing every ounce of potential out of his players.

PFF College 101: The top 101 players from the 2024 college football season

Max Chadwick, Dalton Wasserman and Mitch Kiser reveals the PFF College 101, which lists the 101 best players from the 2024 college football season.

www.pff.com

Did this take into account playoffs? Bowen didn’t play as well in the playoffs. He was responsible for the long td to rb vs Georgia, he lost his person a few times and gaps vs psu, lost his gap vs osu on long run.

We played bad offenses most of the year and feasted, his lack of foot speed or quickness imo got exposed in the playoffs. He plays his butt off, but we’ll see if he can take a big step forward now focusing on football

 

[sjb75]

Did this take into account playoffs? Bowen didn’t play as well in the playoffs. He was responsible for the long td to rb vs Georgia, he lost his person a few times and gaps vs psu, lost his gap vs osu on long run.

We played bad offenses most of the year and feasted, his lack of foot speed or quickness imo got exposed in the playoffs. He plays his butt off, but we’ll see if he can take a big step forward now focusing on football

Have you applied to be a defensive consultant at Notre Dame?

 

[rrdd2021]

While I don't believe PFF to be perfect in grading performance. It's an interesting read. OSU led with 12 players. ND and Texas tied for 2nd with 7. Watts, Love, Moore, RL, Clark, Bowen, Shuler. What i take from this is while Freeman does not yet have the talent of OSU and Texas. He is squeezing every ounce of potential out of his players.

PFF College 101: The top 101 players from the 2024 college football season

Max Chadwick, Dalton Wasserman and Mitch Kiser reveals the PFF College 101, which lists the 101 best players from the 2024 college football season.

www.pff.com

Nothing to be ashamed of in losing to that OSU team and keeping it somewhat close. This list just shows how mega talented they were. And the one to watch out for - going forward - is Texas. Gonna be hard to top all of that Texas oil-NIL going forward

 

[sjb75]

Nothing to be ashamed of in losing to that OSU team and keeping it somewhat close. This list just shows how mega talented they were. And the one to watch out for - going forward - is Texas. Gonna be hard to top all of that Texas oil-NIL going forward

Why didn’t Texas outspend Ohio St. or Oregon last season??

 

[BGI User 756]

Did this take into account playoffs? Bowen didn’t play as well in the playoffs. He was responsible for the long td to rb vs Georgia, he lost his person a few times and gaps vs psu, lost his gap vs osu on long run.

We played bad offenses most of the year and feasted, his lack of foot speed or quickness imo got exposed in the playoffs. He plays his butt off, but we’ll see if he can take a big step forward now focusing on football

Give it a rest, he had a great season. OSU’s Sawyer was on same trajectory as a soph

 

[rrdd2021]

Why didn’t Texas outspend Ohio St. or Oregon last season??

Give them time. They'll be the next CF super power. HOOK EM !!

 

[McCallen ND NYC]

While I don't believe PFF to be perfect in grading performance. It's an interesting read. OSU led with 12 players. ND and Texas tied for 2nd with 7. Watts, Love, Moore, RL, Clark, Bowen, Shuler. What i take from this is while Freeman does not yet have the talent of OSU and Texas. He is squeezing every ounce of potential out of his players.

PFF College 101: The top 101 players from the 2024 college football season

Max Chadwick, Dalton Wasserman and Mitch Kiser reveals the PFF College 101, which lists the 101 best players from the 2024 college football season.

www.pff.com

It is an interesting read. I don’t necessarily agree with the rankings. IMO, Mills, Cross, Wagner were more valuable than Clark and Shuler.

But I do agree with your assessment of ND talent and Freeman. OSU, PSU and Georgia will have more players drafted in 2025 as well as drafted higher than ND. Freeman did a fantastic coaching job.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

It is an interesting read. I don’t necessarily agree with the rankings. IMO, Mills, Cross, Wagner were more valuable than Clark and Shuler.

But I do agree with your assessment of ND talent and Freeman. OSU, PSU and Georgia will have more players drafted in 2025 as well as drafted higher than ND. Freeman did a fantastic coaching job.

PFF as I understand it strictly focuses on execution of assignment while supposedly taking context of strength of opponent and situation. Not sure how you can quantify that. With that said, I'm not sure it takes in account the impact of a player's presence on the field. For example, a dominant WR having 2 guys cover him but not getting any catches. Does the WR get any points for that? A run play going left to avoid the LB coming from the right. To your point, I think its possible to have a higher PFF score, but not be as valuable as another player.

 

[chaseball]

Why didn’t Texas outspend Ohio St. or Oregon last season??

I know for sure that texas is spending in the top percentile in HS recruiting. Maybe Oregon's transfer portal-NIL budget is more robust, but Texas is investing bigly in HS talent and it reflects in their now consistent top 3-5 classes they are recruiting. Their fans also get the excitement of having the #1 super prospect QB leading their offense next season. It's must watch TV.

It takes foresight, big investment (seeing the future before it gets here), lots of buy in (literally) from the administration. It takes a lot of risk, money, vision, leadership, etc. to be that program (all of the things ND is lacking-- as it relates to the football program -- at the highest levels of the university)

Give them time. They'll be the next CF super power. HOOK EM !!

Do ND fans ever sit around and wonder why all of their peers get to experience cycles of being a "super power" in college football (not a long shot, but a program destined to win a national title) while Notre Dame does not?

In the modern era, ND is the perennial Cinderella program needing just about EVERYTHING to go right in order to compete at the highest level for a national title (let alone win one). Yes NDs roster was hit with an above-average amount of injuries to their 2-deep this season, but they also experienced a ton of fortune as it related to hitting on several diamond in the rough prospects. They got BIG production from some very overlooked/unheralded 3-star prospects on the recruiting trail. This kind of fortune can't be counted on to continue going forward.

ND is the perennial Little Engine That Could and its embarrassing. We got as much money as any of those guys. Why wont the institution F'ing spend it and close the gap? Why are we playing 2nd fiddle to the rest of the country every year since the start of the Jenkins & Swarbrick era?

How much more evidence does this institution need that it can't win a national title under standard operating procedure? And why don't fans ever wake up and see it for what it is and demand something better?

 

[chaseball]

PFF as I understand it strictly focuses on execution of assignment while supposedly taking context of strength of opponent and situation. Not sure how you can quantify that. With that said, I'm not sure it takes in account the impact of a player's presence on the field. For example, a dominant WR having 2 guys cover him but not getting any catches. Does the WR get any points for that? A run play going left to avoid the LB coming from the right. To your point, I think its possible to have a higher PFF score, but not be as valuable as another player.

To add to this really good point that is quoted:

A lot of ND fans are stuck on the quantity of players "getting drafted" or "in the top 100 in PFF grades" or the "amount of ND players on an NFL roster" but this is a misleading way to evaluate talent.

How many of those top 100 guys are top 10 guys, top 20 guys, etc. ? how many of those NFL players are the top players on their respective NFL teams? How many ND players are getting drafted in the 1st and 2nd round? How does the ENTIRETY (#1-#85) of the talent on the roster compare to their peers/competitors rosters at the top of the sport?

When you dig deeper you start to see the relative limitations with NDs 85 man roster compared to their peers at the high P4 level.

ND is loaded with more "B" & "C" players in the country than anybody else (some of them even develop into A players based on great coaching/sheer volume of numbers), but the program is SORELY lacking the "A" players in the game (the gamebreaking players, the top 50 NFL draft picks, the heisman trophy candidates, the consensus 1st team all americans, etc.) and this ilk of player make all of the difference at the highest level in the games that matter the most. And you are not going to find this level of player -- in the quantities needed -- while virtually ignoring the top 50 prospects in the game on the recruiting trail like ND does every cycle.

 

[BGI User 756]

To add to this really good point that is quoted:

A lot of ND fans are stuck on the quantity of players "getting drafted" or "in the top 100 in PFF grades" or the "amount of ND players on an NFL roster" but this is a misleading way to evaluate talent.

How many of those top 100 guys are top 10 guys, top 20 guys, etc. ? how many of those NFL players are the top players on their respective NFL teams? How many ND players are getting drafted in the 1st and 2nd round? How does the ENTIRETY (#1-#85) of the talent on the roster compare to their peers/competitors rosters at the top of the sport?

When you dig deeper you start to see the relative limitations with NDs 85 man roster compared to their peers at the high P4 level.

ND is loaded with more "B" & "C" players in the country than anybody else (some of them even develop into A players based on great coaching/sheer volume of numbers), but the program is SORELY lacking the "A" players in the game (the gamebreaking players, the top 50 NFL draft picks, the heisman trophy candidates, the consensus 1st team all americans, etc.) and this ilk of player make all of the difference at the highest level in the games that matter the most. And you are not going to find this level of player -- in the quantities needed -- while virtually ignoring the top 50 prospects in the game on the recruiting trail like ND does every cycle.

How many teams made the final four in playoffs in last 7 years? How many made it 3x?

 

[ticat]

To add to this really good point that is quoted:

A lot of ND fans are stuck on the quantity of players "getting drafted" or "in the top 100 in PFF grades" or the "amount of ND players on an NFL roster" but this is a misleading way to evaluate talent.

How many of those top 100 guys are top 10 guys, top 20 guys, etc. ? how many of those NFL players are the top players on their respective NFL teams? How many ND players are getting drafted in the 1st and 2nd round? How does the ENTIRETY (#1-#85) of the talent on the roster compare to their peers/competitors rosters at the top of the sport?

When you dig deeper you start to see the relative limitations with NDs 85 man roster compared to their peers at the high P4 level.

ND is loaded with more "B" & "C" players in the country than anybody else (some of them even develop into A players based on great coaching/sheer volume of numbers), but the program is SORELY lacking the "A" players in the game (the gamebreaking players, the top 50 NFL draft picks, the heisman trophy candidates, the consensus 1st team all americans, etc.) and this ilk of player make all of the difference at the highest level in the games that matter the most. And you are not going to find this level of player -- in the quantities needed -- while virtually ignoring the top 50 prospects in the game on the recruiting trail like ND does every cycle.

YAWN....The UNIVERSITY of Notre Dame is NOT a professional football franchise...

(little secret...I just cut and paste this in response to the Chaser, so I am actually not having to retype this each time...well, I had to type this explanation, but you all know what I mean)

 

[Get Nasty]

Give it a rest, he had a great season. OSU’s Sawyer was on same trajectory as a soph

Sawyer became a good player, not great.

All I’m saying is Bowen has a ways to go, he plays incredibly physical, that’s good.