Paterno and Sandusky ... He knew since 1976 WOW
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back then we didn't have internet, so we didn't have pediophiles!
(or we thought we didn’t; plus there was no media obsession with sensational news to gain a "scoop" or "1 up- man-ship" and not to sound insensitive, but there was not a 'pot-o-gold' potential. Theres a real problem with claims that are decades old. One of those problems involves identifiying the truthful actual victims from those who attach themselves to a potential case for potential gain)
(or we thought we didn’t; plus there was no media obsession with sensational news to gain a "scoop" or "1 up- man-ship" and not to sound insensitive, but there was not a 'pot-o-gold' potential. Theres a real problem with claims that are decades old. One of those problems involves identifiying the truthful actual victims from those who attach themselves to a potential case for potential gain)
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It makes it particularly tough to identify actual victims when one's immediate impulse is to dismiss or downplay victim claims without looking deeper into their stories. In this case, Penn State thought enough about the validity of the claim that they paid the victim.
There were at least 30 or more victims. It's not that hard to posit that Sandusky, like most pedophiles, had a much longer history of predatory behavior than previously thought. In this case we're talking about a victim who claims he told Paterno. If there was absolutely no basis to back up that claim it is unlikely Penn St. would have settled with him even if for no other reason than to make the story go away. I mean, if all there was was a story and nothing else Penn St. would be paying settlements to a lot more than 30 victims.
Presumption of innocence is a value we should all hold dear, but there is enough known about what Sandusky did and what Paterno, Spanier, Schultz, and Curley knew but turned a blind eye to that they no longer deserve the benefit of doubt. And the idea that the press might have ulterior motives for pursuing such stories does not negate the importance of making sure we continue to shine a light on this sordid but very important subject. I'm sure Penn State would love for this story to just go away, but we should all be reminded from time to time, especially when new information is learned. Otherwise, we will make it easier for other people to turn a blind eye to this inconvenient vile subject and we will make it easier for more innocents to be victimized.
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Football wise, IMO Penn State fans are making a HUGE mistake in dragging all this out. Instead of saying "this was horrible and we are doing everything in our power to make any possible amends", they have dug their heels into the ground with "you don't have recorded PROOF anyone knew anything!!!". The longer they fight, the longer their school has to carry the yoke of this mess.
Bill O'Brien blamed the crazy PSU fans for his wanting to leave. He was right to get out when he had the chance.
Bill O'Brien blamed the crazy PSU fans for his wanting to leave. He was right to get out when he had the chance.
https://victimsofcrime.org/media/reporting-on-child-sexual-abuse/effects-of-csa-on-the-victim
The Sandusky case is not there only case of pediophilia. There are many victims whose stories are never notorious.
My comment was more a general, but informed, observation. I agree on the presumption of innocence statement.
The added problem I alluded to is identifying "actual" victims when the notoriety of a case brings out those with 'opportunity' for a claim. There are telltale signs common to 'survivors'; I think that is the tool professionals investigating the 'truths' focus on. This is a complex matter. I sympathize with the victims.
The Sandusky case is not there only case of pediophilia. There are many victims whose stories are never notorious.
My comment was more a general, but informed, observation. I agree on the presumption of innocence statement.
The added problem I alluded to is identifying "actual" victims when the notoriety of a case brings out those with 'opportunity' for a claim. There are telltale signs common to 'survivors'; I think that is the tool professionals investigating the 'truths' focus on. This is a complex matter. I sympathize with the victims.
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Interesting that 1976 pulls this mess more in line with the entire "Spotlight" timeline. The Catholic Church was seriously hurt by that scandal. But at least the Church has attempted to atone and move on. You would hope Penn State fans would see this is their best option.
IMO, Penn State has gotten off quite a bit lighter than those who faced The Inquisition.
What does the Inquisition have to do with pedophilia? For the record, Henry Kamen , a former Spanish History expert at Harvard on the Inquisition, said much that is believed today about the torture and murder during the Inquisition is largely false propaganda from the Church of England in the late 1600's . Dr. Kamen by the way is Jewish and is alive today living in , hold your breath, Spain !
I think his point was that people got caught up in a fever to convict wrongdoers that led to The Inquisition, and the innocent suffered. He feels that something analogous may happen in PA.
Update: NBC reports as many as 6 Penn State coaches witnessed Sandusky involved in "inappropriate behavior" dating back to the 70's.
As many as six assistant coaches at Penn State witnessed "inappropriate behavior" between Jerry Sandusky and boys, stretching as far back as the 1970s, NBC News has learned.
It is unclear if any of the men reported what they saw to higher-ups at Penn State before the sex-abuse scandal erupted in 2011.
The information, which comes from court documents and multiple sources with direct knowledge of legal proceedings, raises new questions about how long the abuse went on, why no one stopped it and whether there could be even more victims than previously known.
Sandusky — who worked in the football program at Penn State under legendary head coach Joe Paterno for three decades — is serving 30 to 60 years in prison after being convicted of molesting 10 boys he met through a charity starting in 1994.
But sources told NBC News that one former Penn State assistant coach witnessed an incident in the late 1970s. Three other coaches — who have gone on to work in the NFL and at Division I colleges — allegedly saw inappropriate conduct between Sandusky and boys in the early and mid-1990s.
"You won't believe what I just saw," one of those three coaches blurted out after bursting into a room filled with Penn State football staff, according to sources who spoke to a person who was in that room.
As many as six assistant coaches at Penn State witnessed "inappropriate behavior" between Jerry Sandusky and boys, stretching as far back as the 1970s, NBC News has learned.
It is unclear if any of the men reported what they saw to higher-ups at Penn State before the sex-abuse scandal erupted in 2011.
The information, which comes from court documents and multiple sources with direct knowledge of legal proceedings, raises new questions about how long the abuse went on, why no one stopped it and whether there could be even more victims than previously known.
Sandusky — who worked in the football program at Penn State under legendary head coach Joe Paterno for three decades — is serving 30 to 60 years in prison after being convicted of molesting 10 boys he met through a charity starting in 1994.
But sources told NBC News that one former Penn State assistant coach witnessed an incident in the late 1970s. Three other coaches — who have gone on to work in the NFL and at Division I colleges — allegedly saw inappropriate conduct between Sandusky and boys in the early and mid-1990s.
"You won't believe what I just saw," one of those three coaches blurted out after bursting into a room filled with Penn State football staff, according to sources who spoke to a person who was in that room.
I really do hate every Penn State person who think they are the victim.
What's really scary is there are pedophiles at every school and in every town. Who knows what we don't know about people in South Bend. Makes it tough as a father to trust anyone.
What's really scary is there are pedophiles at every school and in every town. Who knows what we don't know about people in South Bend. Makes it tough as a father to trust anyone.
Well, my reply was partially tongue in cheek; how far back is too far back?
how many years? where is the line for restitution? can families of the inquistion ask for restitution?
every case is not notorious, every case does not get media coverage, not all victims have someone to pursue; there are victims and there are victims.
did you read my previous posts?
(Kamen, is not saying that; he separates the political/religious and emphasizes the motivation as more political; the occurance is a historical fact)
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the report today of further revelations is very damning!
The most perplexing part is how Sandusky got such access to young boys?
He was a college coach. Plus it is hard to fathom that his own immediate family was 'in the dark'
This was the ultimate 'clustef#{*+ing"
The most perplexing part is how Sandusky got such access to young boys?
He was a college coach. Plus it is hard to fathom that his own immediate family was 'in the dark'
This was the ultimate 'clustef#{*+ing"
I heard a rumor for years that a PSU grad was in top tier position with the construction of the Hammes Bookstore and that on one of the beams, he spray painted Penn State before it was set in place. An "uppity up" in the Penn State social ladder told me that story at a tailgate and since then I have heard the tale again, multiple times. Disturbing to say the least.
Had myriad chances to explain things immediately after his firing. Chose, or more likely was told, not to
Like others of his kind, Sandusky targeted boys living in foster care. Kids without families, often without a network of friends. The charity he himself started gave him a steady stream of victims.
I don't think we will ever get the full story on this. Some Penn State fans will forever feel that this is simply an example of the press believing the lies of dozens of people, as in the Duke lacrosse affair. If the Catholic Church was capable of covering something like this up, I believe the same thing could have happened at Penn State.
Bulldoze the stadium and erect a memorial. I thought they got to the bottom of it before and while I thought they deserved the NCAA death penalty then after learning the abuse was known in the 70's and permitted I feel even stronger now. College football is fun but unfortunately it has served as a corrupting influence at some institutions but nothing like utter amorality Penn State. Every vestige of that football program should be removed from that campus never to return.
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so in the 70's PSU brass, JoeP, and other staff members KNEW Sandusky was a pedio and the said nothing when Sandusky creates/sets up, his own personal harvesting farm? No one said, "F, that's a bad idea!" ?
Were people so intimidated by JoeP to stay silent? Not 1 hero in the crowd?
Really its almost beyond belief how this institution failed on so many levels and for so long.
recalling Sen. Howard Baker's mantra!
what did Joe know, when did he know it and who did he tell?
what did Joe know, when did he know it and who did he tell?
I think Joe P had a lot of influence at PSU, and yes, probably many people were intimidated by him -- even school administration. I also believe that there wasn't anything that went on there that he (Paterno) did not have knowledge of -- obviously, there is no proof of that, but.....
agreed. coaches know. they have their ear to the ground and they have their informants. it's their program they better know what is going on.
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