OT: What is Happening At The Golden Dome?

[IRISHJD98]

After last season I didn't expect all this stability.

The Notre Dame Fighting Irish are on a recruiting roll right now.
. . .

After a signing day that saw the Irish close by adding 6 quality commitments in the last week, and a 2018 class that just landed 2 of the best defensive backs in the country- you can say that Notre Dame football recruiting is doing pretty well right now. The 2017 class finished #11 in the country according to 247 Sports, and as of right now, the Irish are ranked #2 for the 2018 class.




That #2 ranking could end up being #1 by the end of the week. Another 4 star prospect is announcing on Friday, and he will most likely commit to Notre Dame. The 2018 class is filling up, and we will have more on that adventure very soon on One Foot Down.

 

[irishalice]

After last season I didn't expect all this stability.

The Notre Dame Fighting Irish are on a recruiting roll right now.
. . .

After a signing day that saw the Irish close by adding 6 quality commitments in the last week, and a 2018 class that just landed 2 of the best defensive backs in the country- you can say that Notre Dame football recruiting is doing pretty well right now. The 2017 class finished #11 in the country according to 247 Sports, and as of right now, the Irish are ranked #2 for the 2018 class.




That #2 ranking could end up being #1 by the end of the week. Another 4 star prospect is announcing on Friday, and he will most likely commit to Notre Dame. The 2018 class is filling up, and we will have more on that adventure very soon on One Foot Down.

I'm all tingly! Really excited about the coaching changes and looking forward to the 2017 season.

 

[IRISHJD98]

Stadium's lookin' good too (Webcam Link)

 

[Bodizephax]

After last season I didn't expect all this stability.

The Notre Dame Fighting Irish are on a recruiting roll right now.
. . .

After a signing day that saw the Irish close by adding 6 quality commitments in the last week, and a 2018 class that just landed 2 of the best defensive backs in the country- you can say that Notre Dame football recruiting is doing pretty well right now. The 2017 class finished #11 in the country according to 247 Sports, and as of right now, the Irish are ranked #2 for the 2018 class.




That #2 ranking could end up being #1 by the end of the week. Another 4 star prospect is announcing on Friday, and he will most likely commit to Notre Dame. The 2018 class is filling up, and we will have more on that adventure very soon on One Foot Down.

 

[IRISHJD98]

Looks like the Athletic Department has more money to spend on recruiting since its not paying Redfield's Weed Stipend anymore.

 

[Nocalirish]

If Kelly goes 0-4 they are all looking elsewhere.

 

[IRISHJD98]

If Kelly goes 0-4 they are all looking elsewhere.

Sure. And I wouldn't blame them. I assume they're all looking until signing day anyway.

But having them as ours to lose now is better than needing to go 4-0 just to spark any interest.

Is it gonna take some arrests or mass suspensions to cheer you up?

Live in the moment. Life is good.

 

[South Bender]

Sure. And I wouldn't blame them. I assume they're all looking until signing day anyway.

But having them as ours to lose now is better than needing to go 4-0 just to spark any interest.

Is it gonna take some arrests or mass suspensions to cheer you up?

Live in the moment. Life is good.

And 0-4 start would mean losses to Temple and Boston College. Not likely.
But hey, nocalirish ....... you can wish, I guess.

 

[hoopsstar12]

Who is deciding on Friday?

 

[iwish]

Who is deciding on Friday?

Micah Jones

 

[beachcardinal]

After last season I didn't expect all this stability.

The Notre Dame Fighting Irish are on a recruiting roll right now.
. . .

After a signing day that saw the Irish close by adding 6 quality commitments in the last week, and a 2018 class that just landed 2 of the best defensive backs in the country- you can say that Notre Dame football recruiting is doing pretty well right now. The 2017 class finished #11 in the country according to 247 Sports, and as of right now, the Irish are ranked #2 for the 2018 class.




That #2 ranking could end up being #1 by the end of the week. Another 4 star prospect is announcing on Friday, and he will most likely commit to Notre Dame. The 2018 class is filling up, and we will have more on that adventure very soon on One Foot Down.

This is going to be read as a shot, but it isn't. Why would ND be happy with a 12 ranking. Thar is just inside the 20% level for the 65 power five conference teams and that group includes, Purdue, Iowa State, Oregon State and teams like that. Is it because of the higher admission standards? It seems to me that ND should always be in the top ten as a minimum.

 

[zonairish]

This is going to be read as a shot, but it isn't. Why would ND be happy with a 12 ranking. Thar is just inside the 20% level for the 65 power five conference teams and that group includes, Purdue, Iowa State, Oregon State and teams like that. Is it because of the higher admission standards? It seems to me that ND should always be in the top ten as a minimum.

No, it appears to be direct and honest. You are correct we should be in the top 10 every year. That said, based on a 4-8 season I will take the class and am pleased. The problem is can Kelly transform himself with the new coaches to better coaching, play call decisions and a solid Defense. If this happens we should be a top 10 class or even a top 5 every year.

 

[MTIrish98]

It seems that BK found some defensive coaches that are willing to recruit their tails off in Elko and Lea.

If they can develop the guys already on the roster, then the arrow will definitely be pointing up in the years to come.

 

[Nocalirish]

And 0-4 start would mean losses to Temple and Boston College. Not likely.
But hey, nocalirish ....... you can wish, I guess.

Duke, NC ST, Vtech, Texas and Navy all were not likely losses last year and that was with an experienced qb.

 

[South Bender]

Duke, NC ST, Vtech, Texas and Navy all were not likely losses last year and that was with an experienced qb.

Yes, I guess anything can happen.

However, I choose to believe that we'll beat Temple and BC (and history backs me up).

I suppose maybe the day will come when I join the ranks of the downtrodden and faithless, where all I see are losses on the horizon, no matter the opponent.
Thankfully, for me, that day has not come yet.

 

[Nocalirish]

Yes, I guess anything can happen.

However, I choose to believe that we'll beat Temple and BC (and history backs me up).

I suppose maybe the day will come when I join the ranks of the downtrodden and faithless, where all I see are losses on the horizon, no matter the opponent.
Thankfully, for me, that day has not come yet.

But Kelly has come back.

 

[IRISHJD98]

This is going to be read as a shot, but it isn't. Why would ND be happy with a 12 ranking. Thar is just inside the 20% level for the 65 power five conference teams and that group includes, Purdue, Iowa State, Oregon State and teams like that. Is it because of the higher admission standards? It seems to me that ND should always be in the top ten as a minimum.

I agree. But that didn't happen. What did happen, was that our new staff managed to do some damage control to get 6 guys to sign right around signing day, without which we could have landed closer to 20. That momentum seems to be carrying through and we've been on a recruiting roll. It was a pretty simple post, which is about looking to the future.

Plus, I was posting some friendly fun at the other two actually off topic threads on the board with similar titles in response to something Bodi said about IIO fouling up our recruiting discussion mojo with his White House thread. I sufficiently fill my need to argue with people during my day job, so I try to keep things light anymore. Sometimes I fail.

 

[beachcardinal]

I agree. But that didn't happen. What did happen, was that our new staff managed to do some damage control to get 6 guys to sign right around signing day, without which we could have landed closer to 20. That momentum seems to be carrying through and we've been on a recruiting roll. It was a pretty simple post, which is about looking to the future.

Plus, I was posting some friendly fun at the other two actually off topic threads on the board with similar titles in response to something Bodi said about IIO fouling up our recruiting discussion mojo with his White House thread. I sufficiently fill my need to argue with people during my day job, so I try to keep things light anymore. Sometimes I fail.

Zona makes a good point I hadn't thought of: even a great historic power like ND is likely to drop a hit after a bad season as we at SC well know. I think it should be an aberration though.

 

[irishalice]

I agree. But that didn't happen. What did happen, was that our new staff managed to do some damage control to get 6 guys to sign right around signing day, without which we could have landed closer to 20. That momentum seems to be carrying through and we've been on a recruiting roll. It was a pretty simple post, which is about looking to the future.

Plus, I was posting some friendly fun at the other two actually off topic threads on the board with similar titles in response to something Bodi said about IIO fouling up our recruiting discussion mojo with his White House thread. I sufficiently fill my need to argue with people during my day job, so I try to keep things light anymore. Sometimes I fail.

You didn't fail. I'm tired of the never ending political bunk (paper, the internet, TV) and exhausted over the ashes and sackcloth posts about the 2016 football season. New year, new season, if all goes well, 2016 will be in the rear view mirror if there is major failure, Kelly will be looking at ND in his rear view mirror. It will all come out in the wash one way or another and until then, I'm looking forward to hearing positive news about the Irish and the 2017 season.
......and some humorous off-topic threads too.

 

[IRISHJD98]

Zona makes a good point I hadn't thought of: even a great historic power like ND is likely to drop a hit after a bad season as we at SC well know. I think it should be an aberration though.

Its not an aberration. We've only had a handful of top 10 classes in the last 10 years.

IMO, 4-8 season or not, last cycle's recruiting ranking seems surprisingly consistent with most of our recent results. So it might be more accurate to say we avoided taking a drop this past cycle when we should have based on our record.

 

[IRISHJD98]

You didn't fail. I'm tired of the never ending political bunk (paper, the internet, TV) and exhausted over the ashes and sackcloth posts about the 2016 football season. New year, new season, if all goes well, 2016 will be in the rear view mirror if there is major failure, Kelly will be looking at ND in his rear view mirror. It will all come out in the wash one way or another and until then, I'm looking forward to hearing positive news about the Irish and the 2017 season.
......and some humorous off-topic threads too.

Thanks. We sane people need to stick together.

 

[Bodizephax]

Thanks. We sane people need to stick together.

Yes we do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[perseverare]

Zona makes a good point I hadn't thought of: even a great historic power like ND is likely to drop a hit after a bad season as we at SC well know. I think it should be an aberration though.

ND gets enough good players to be up on the recruiting rankings; ND does not get enough 'elite' skilled players on defense. The kind of players that can by themselves influence games. That is the difference between the contenders (playoffs) and the 2nd tier group competing for top bowl spots.
example:
look at the stat for players with the RR 6.0 or > or the composite > 95. Compare ND vs the top recruiting teams or top Eight teams over the ladt 10-22 years.

beach:
you and I discussed the benchmark RR (3.66stars) as the ave generally needed to be as serious contender. That may be misleading if it does not include those special playmakers. Superstars are required.

 

[Izo]

Looking for elite defensive linemen . Don't know who we are after ? Mustipher's brother , a 4 star tackle ? A rush defensive end?

 

[South Bender]

Wait, wait, wait. Hold on just a gosh darn minute.

You mean to tell me there's a correlation between highly ranked players and teams that are perennial playoff teams??? Huh. Never heard that before. I literally learn something new every day I come on this board. We have the bestest posters on the whole interweb!!

 

[beachcardinal]

ND gets enough good players to be up on the recruiting rankings; ND does not get enough 'elite' skilled players on defense. The kind of players that can by themselves influence games. That is the difference between the contenders (playoffs) and the 2nd tier group competing for top bowl spots.
example:
look at the stat for players with the RR 6.0 or > or the composite > 95. Compare ND vs the top recruiting teams or top Eight teams over the ladt 10-22 years.

beach:
you and I discussed the benchmark RR (3.66stars) as the ave generally needed to be as serious contender. That may be misleading if it does not include those special playmakers. Superstars are required.

I think that right but maybe with that high a score one is very likely to pick those guys up.

 

[perseverare]

I think that right but maybe with that high a score one is very likely to pick those guys up.

Well, 1 or 2 probably might be help get there, more easily.
ND has gotten few 6.0 or 6.1 commits but with a class with enough 4's it is easy to get a class in the 9-12
rank.
I rankle fans here with the emphasis on the # of 6.0-6.1 recruits the top/usual NC contenders, especially on defense, but I think that lack of elite talent explains the 20+ year streak of inconsistancy to poor results.

 

[pennirish]

Well, 1 or 2 probably might be help get there, more easily.
ND has gotten few 6.0 or 6.1 commits but with a class with enough 4's it is easy to get a class in the 9-12
rank.
I rankle fans here with the emphasis on the # of 6.0-6.1 recruits the top/usual NC contenders, especially on defense, but I think that lack of elite talent explains the 20+ year streak of inconsistancy to poor results.

I will not argue the importance of recruiting, but there's more. really good recruiting and great coaching can also get it done. PSU beat OSU last year after years of sanctions, and are projected to be a top 8 team in 18'. They are recruiting well now, but have not had "years of great recruiting." Maybe they have hungry players and a good, if not great , young, motivated HC. Recruiting is important, but to play at the highest level, great coaching is just as important. BTW, Harbaugh has shown to be a great recruiter, who has never won anything.......

 

[perseverare]

coaching needs talent; talent needs coaching: no argument there

remember that ND had had fast starts to classes recently only to fizzle out.
There will be 1 more recruit commit tommorow. Then attention would turn to PJM.

Obviously the majority of elites decide late in the cycle. Can ND reverse the trend of poor finishes?

I think how well recruits perceive the progress made by the new staff will be the key. Even an 8-4 season but well disciplined play by an apparently well coached team would be encouraging to prospects.

 

[beachcardinal]

I will not argue the importance of recruiting, but there's more. really good recruiting and great coaching can also get it done. PSU beat OSU last year after years of sanctions, and are projected to be a top 8 team in 18'. They are recruiting well now, but have not had "years of great recruiting." Maybe they have hungry players and a good, if not great , young, motivated HC. Recruiting is important, but to play at the highest level, great coaching is just as important. BTW, Harbaugh has shown to be a great recruiter, who has never won anything.......

True but when we beat Penn State they were the better coached team. We won because of Juju and Sam

 

[IRISHJD98]

 

[IRISHJD98]

 

[RowTheBoatND]

I'm all tingly! Really excited about the coaching changes and looking forward to the 2017 season.

Kelly will kill that feeling you have in a few months.

 

[perseverare]

looking at the way things are going, the CB's, a more realistic 'get' group of targets is being identified
The plan seems to be get the good prospect aboard at positions of need and take a shot/run at the 'prized prospects' after satisfying those needs.

Jones today ~.89
Lenzy on commit watch? ~.92

If ND can recruit in the .88-.92 composite window, with balance on both offense and defense, then ND can be a top 15 team talentwise. To get to the upper tier means getting the elite OL/DL prospects >= .96 + landing a few game changing skill playmakers in that .95+ range.
Those are the guys the true contenders get with each class. ND does not need but a couple of these guys to make a move.

 

[irishalice]

Kelly will kill that feeling you have in a few months.

Wow! Are you a soothsayer?

Kelly fails in 2017, he'll be gone. I root for ND football as a whole, not the just the head coach. He cleaned out his staff, now it's up to him to win with the new coaches and the team. Rather look at the glass being half full than half empty doom.

 

[IRISHJD98]

What were you doing this morning?

https://twitter.com/NDFootball

 

[Toby Smart]

Kelly will kill that feeling you have in a few months.

How will you even know since you're not posting here anymore and you will not be watching the 2017 Irish football season.

 

[Nocalirish]

Another 4 star signed. Hope they coach as well as they recruit.