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Was the correct call - Europe never conceded the putt. Certainly inspired the USA to crush them in the afternoon.
 
you serious? did you read the rule? do you think the fact that 1 European player had left the green and the second with both caddies walked virtually right over the hole, apparently leaving the green was not projecting any physical indication of concession within the meaning of the rule? Plus, she heard a verbal concession!

She should have at minimum been allowed to replace her ball!
 
perseverare said:
you serious? did you read the rule? do you think the fact that 1 European player had left the green and the second with both caddies walked virtually right over the hole, apparently leaving the green was not projecting any physical indication of concession within the meaning of the rule?

She should have at minimum been allowed to replace her ball!
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It has to be given verbally - all the other stuff doesn't matter.
 
It was the correct call.

But gamesmanship pulled by Petterson of the European team, that probably fired the American team to victory in the singles portion of the Cup matches.
 
so, neither of you guys feel that Lee was of the 'mistaken' opinion that concession had been made; that 2 caddies and 1 opponent vitually walked by her and through the hole - none of that was sufficient to imply concession in and of itself - enough so that she be allowed a replacement? You cannot be serious? did you watch the actions of Pettersen? She was all the way to the edge of the Green! her caddies too! her partner was outta site!

only the belief of concession was necessessary
 
There is also a rule that states if a referee is appointed and makes a decision - its Final. Europe may have tried some gamesmanship but it has to be conceded by either a verbal or Europe could have picked up her ball.
 
BGI User 1596 said:
The Royal and Ancient Rules of Golf pg 23 2-4
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read the rule posted and applicable; 'understanding' of concession was apparent by the actions of everyone's actual actions! a replacement was the correct call - after Pettersen gets knee-capped!
 
I have the rules book - I don't see where it states that walking off the green is concession of the hole - who knows - maybe she had to take a dump or something.
 
BGI User 1596 said:
There is also a rule that states if a referee is appointed and makes a decision - its Final. Europe may have tried some gamesmanship but it has to be conceded by either a verbal or Europe could have picked up her ball.
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Thats my understanding too. Thats why in match play, I always look my opponent in the eye and make sure he concedes before picking up my ball. Never "assume" you heard him (or her) concede.
 
IrishHerb said:
Thats my understanding too. Thats why in match play, I always look my opponent in the eye and make sure he concedes before picking up my ball. Never "assume" you heard him (or her) concede.
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That is correct - you can always ask them if not sure.
 
wow; hate to have you on a jury.

you may have a rule book but the applicable rule was on the posted article;

Pettersen gave obvious and intended indication of 'concession' , reinforced buy the fact her and the caddies ruddly walked the center of the green as they left! That is all a reasonable interpretation would require to ascertain that Lee "believed" the putt was conceeded; the sole requirement for 'replacing' her ball. All that was needed.
 
The referee ruled that no concession was made - I'm in good company. Besides, it inspired the USA to a huge victory - you should be happy with that outcome.
 
to penalize Lee, you would have to conclude that Lee WAS NOT reasonably under the belief the putt was conceded! You feel certain that she was not of that impression, by the actions or 'heard' words of concession?

the key phrase is "understanding"
 
the reality will be there will be a follow up admission that a mistake was made.
Pettersen's career will forever be linked to this abhorrible display of poor sportsmanship!

book it!
 
I don't agree with what Europe did but a concession is verbal - you see the men sometimes make them line up the putt and then concede at the last second - they laugh it off with each other .... the Spanish Gitts usually make you putt them.
 
The rule is the rule, and Lee was incorrect in picking up her ball. That said, to me Petersen, and the European team was a slap in the face to the spirit of the event, and to the sport itself. So good for you USA, you did it and they got what they deserved. ?Simply a disgraceful display of sportsmanship by the European team.
 
Techically, they got it right, but considering how short of a putt was left, it really "should' have been given. The right thing to do after it was picked up would have been to say "we didn't concede it, but we'll give it to you now". Who knows, the Euros may have ended up winning the cup had they done that! They ended up giving the Americans a lightning rod of energy.
 
Lee says she heard it; the actions of every player (Hull) and caddie support that! again for a replacement: "understanding" is the criteria. A replacement was the correct correction to the whole mess!
Pettersen's turnabout looked contrived! SHE IS SCREWED - forever tarnished. She was not even on the green, to hear any exchange nor close enough to be certain. Poor spirtsmanship.

And that is how it is being reported.
 
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Poor sportsmanship, agreed.

The Europeans tried this on a rookie … it worked in that match but backfired for the Cup as a whole, since it angered the Americans and they took it out on them in the singles.

One thing we have to remember in the Walker Cup, Ryder Cup and Solheim Cup (not with the other cups since they don't involve Europeans) … is that match play events (2 balls [alternating shot] and 4 balls [best ball]) are common in England, Scotland and Ireland and not so popular in the US. So they're more experienced in match play gamemanship. They know the Americans are not as familiar with these formats, so try to get them off their rhythm by delaying their concedes or not conceding at all on certain putts. Also (didn't see it in this Solheim Cup) I've seen the Europeans in 4 balls pull of a "trick" where one European is away and the other is closest to the green (two Americans in between) … the one away defers to his partner who tries to get it close to the hole to put more pressure on the Americans. I've rarely seen the Americans do that, but its legal in that form of play.
 
I'm a stickler and rarely give putts, missed too many 18 inchers of my own to know it can easily happen. If you have ever played in a match play format, you understand you must get firm confirmation the putt "is good". My opponent walking off the green would absolutely cause confusion but would still need to hear it. If she says it might have come from the stands, she didn't receive the firm confirmation.
 
bizzybecknd said:
I'm a stickler and rarely give putts, missed too many 18 inchers of my own to know it can easily happen. If you have ever played in a match play format, you understand you must get firm confirmation the putt "is good". My opponent walking off the green would absolutely cause confusion but would still need to hear it. If she says it might have come from the stands, she didn't receive the firm confirmation.
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I agree. I actually do not think this is a rules controversy at all. Rather a question of sportsmanship. The rule was applied correctly, but the Europeans fail the eye test of sportsmanship.
 
perseverare said:
http://www.sbnation.com/golf/2015/9...-2015-allison-lee-concession-suzann-pettersen


Golfers out there:
watch the Europeans actions walking off the green; did the officials get the right/wrong?
like a trick play in football (Neb / Mia NC game )
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If they thought she needed to putt out then why were they tromping off the green to the next hole without even watching? If they were not conceding they should have stood there quietly until she putted out, as is the norm in golf. They ended up getting what they deserved.
 
aha!

Suzann Pettersen apologized Monday for making the controversial call that left United States players fuming before their memorable victory in the Solheim Cup.

Pettersen had demanded American rookie Alison Lee be penalized at the 17th hole of their morning fourball match for picking the ball up when she thought the putt was conceded.

The Norwegian, who initially said Sunday she did the right thing and would ''totally'' do it again, took to social media to say she ''never felt more gutted and truly sad about what went down.''

''I am so sorry for not thinking about the bigger picture in the heat of the battle and competition. I was trying my hardest for my team and put the single match and the point that could be earned ahead of sportsmanship and the game of golf itself! I feel like I let my team down and I am sorry,'' Pettersen said.

The 34-year-old golfer paid tribute to U.S. captain Juli Inkster, ''a great leader'' to whom she said she ''always looked up to and respect so much.''

''Knowing I need to make things 'right,' I had a face to face chat with her before leaving Germany this morning to tell her in person how I really feel about all of this. I wanted her also to know that I am sorry,'' Pettersen wrote.

''I hope in time the U.S. team will forgive me and know that I have learned a valuable lesson about what is truly important in this great game of golf which has given me so much in my life.''

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/petter...rsial-call-at-solheim-cup-150525384-golf.html
 
perseverare said:
aha!

Suzann Pettersen apologized Monday for making the controversial call that left United States players fuming before their memorable victory in the Solheim Cup.

Pettersen had demanded American rookie Alison Lee be penalized at the 17th hole of their morning fourball match for picking the ball up when she thought the putt was conceded.

The Norwegian, who initially said Sunday she did the right thing and would ''totally'' do it again, took to social media to say she ''never felt more gutted and truly sad about what went down.''

''I am so sorry for not thinking about the bigger picture in the heat of the battle and competition. I was trying my hardest for my team and put the single match and the point that could be earned ahead of sportsmanship and the game of golf itself! I feel like I let my team down and I am sorry,'' Pettersen said.

The 34-year-old golfer paid tribute to U.S. captain Juli Inkster, ''a great leader'' to whom she said she ''always looked up to and respect so much.''

''Knowing I need to make things 'right,' I had a face to face chat with her before leaving Germany this morning to tell her in person how I really feel about all of this. I wanted her also to know that I am sorry,'' Pettersen wrote.

''I hope in time the U.S. team will forgive me and know that I have learned a valuable lesson about what is truly important in this great game of golf which has given me so much in my life.''

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/petter...rsial-call-at-solheim-cup-150525384-golf.html
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It's important to keep the Scandinavians playing on the LPGA tour. Several of them have been pretty hot babes over the years.
 
perseverare said:
aha!

Suzann Pettersen apologized Monday for making the controversial call that left United States players fuming before their memorable victory in the Solheim Cup.

Pettersen had demanded American rookie Alison Lee be penalized at the 17th hole of their morning fourball match for picking the ball up when she thought the putt was conceded.

The Norwegian, who initially said Sunday she did the right thing and would ''totally'' do it again, took to social media to say she ''never felt more gutted and truly sad about what went down.''

''I am so sorry for not thinking about the bigger picture in the heat of the battle and competition. I was trying my hardest for my team and put the single match and the point that could be earned ahead of sportsmanship and the game of golf itself! I feel like I let my team down and I am sorry,'' Pettersen said.

The 34-year-old golfer paid tribute to U.S. captain Juli Inkster, ''a great leader'' to whom she said she ''always looked up to and respect so much.''

''Knowing I need to make things 'right,' I had a face to face chat with her before leaving Germany this morning to tell her in person how I really feel about all of this. I wanted her also to know that I am sorry,'' Pettersen wrote.

''I hope in time the U.S. team will forgive me and know that I have learned a valuable lesson about what is truly important in this great game of golf which has given me so much in my life.''

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/petter...rsial-call-at-solheim-cup-150525384-golf.html
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After her sponsors reminded her she plays on the
"American" LPGA Tour and how many cell phones would be going off "accidently" in her backswing.
 
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