Now i'm Wondering What Would Be Better...

[Weisnheimer]

I have been projecting best outcomes for ND to reach the playoffs and I have been thinking that pulling for Fla St to beat Clemson in Clemson would make for the committee to evaluate the 2-pt loss to Clemson in Clemson, in that monsoon, Clemson having 2 weeks to prepare, etc. And the best outcome being those 3 (ND, Clemson, Fla St) vying for the final spot with OSU, LSU, and Baylor being the top 3. (This assuming ND wins out by beating pac12 champ Stanford, of course).

However, Clemson remaining undefeated theory may have validity now, as well. The negative to this is that Clemson and OSU would be two guaranteed places taken, leaving only 2 spots open. But, if this happens, it eliminates Fla St for sure.

Enter SEC. LSU is currently undefeated, and has to survive a trip to Alabama. If they don't survive and Alabama wins, Alabama has a much easier schedule to finish with (and with the stupid so-called style points) and thereby having an identical record as Notre Dame heading to an easy conf. championship game win.

If that happens? They are in and it comes down to 1-spot left and the comparison is then dwindled down to looking at Notre Dame resume vs. LSU resume for that last spot.

Mind you, Big12 Baylor was who I thought would be #1 ranked at EOY, but now the QB sustained a neck injury, so it may be TCU who wins that conf. and imo, gets the nod.

Which scenario is better for ND? Vying with LSU (each of us having 1-loss) in this scenario, or vying with Clemson AND Fla St with each of us having 1-loss?

 

[basketlax41]

Don't count out OK in the big 12. Playing better ball than everyone except maybe Baylor. But Baylor is depending on Fr QB now. If they win out it would come down to ND and OK. The fact that they have that loss to Texas would be huge in our favor. However if they win out that means they have wins over tcu oks and Baylor to finish the season. Chance they jump us.

 

[no1e]

I have been projecting best outcomes for ND to reach the playoffs and I have been thinking that pulling for Fla St to beat Clemson in Clemson would make for the committee to evaluate the 2-pt loss to Clemson in Clemson, in that monsoon, Clemson having 2 weeks to prepare, etc. And the best outcome being those 3 (ND, Clemson, Fla St) vying for the final spot with OSU, LSU, and Baylor being the top 3. (This assuming ND wins out by beating pac12 champ Stanford, of course).

However, Clemson remaining undefeated theory may have validity now, as well. The negative to this is that Clemson and OSU would be two guaranteed places taken, leaving only 2 spots open. But, if this happens, it eliminates Fla St for sure.

Enter SEC. LSU is currently undefeated, and has to survive a trip to Alabama. If they don't survive and Alabama wins, Alabama has a much easier schedule to finish with (and with the stupid so-called style points) and thereby having an identical record as Notre Dame heading to an easy conf. championship game win.

If that happens? They are in and it comes down to 1-spot left and the comparison is then dwindled down to looking at Notre Dame resume vs. LSU resume for that last spot.

Mind you, Big12 Baylor was who I thought would be #1 ranked at EOY, but now the QB sustained a neck injury, so it may be TCU who wins that conf. and imo, gets the nod.

Which scenario is better for ND? Vying with LSU (each of us having 1-loss) in this scenario, or vying with Clemson AND Fla St with each of us having 1-loss?

In all likelihood if FSU were to beat Clemson in Death Valley Clemson would be out. Assuming both win the rest of their remaining ACC games they each would have one ACC loss but FSU would win the Atlantic and play in the ACCCG due to head-to-head. No way they take a team from the ACC who didn't even win their conference division. It will be a stretch for them to take a one loss champion THIS year.

Question I have asked is if FSU beats Clemson and wins out finishing 12-1 will they jump an 11-1 ND. I say probably.

Lots of FB to be played.

 

[Epictitus]

In your dreams, Mo1e. FSU plays two decent teams this year, Clemson and Florida, and will be underdogs in both.

FSU getting in before a one loss ND would be a travesty on the scale of 1993 where everyone now says the better team got screwed. It will not happen again, but FSU will help by losing at least two more thanks to continued poor coaching.

 

[zuskie]

So many losses yet to happen to all the teams in the top 15.

Here's my dream wish-list:
Ole Miss beats LSU.
LSU beats Bama.
FSU beats Clemson.
UF beats FSU.

But mostly...ND wins out. The possible scenarios are too many to figure out...but if ND is 11-1, there's a good chance they're in.

 

[no1e]

In your dreams, Mo1e. FSU plays two decent teams this year, Clemson and Florida, and will be underdogs in both.

FSU getting in before a one loss ND would be a travesty on the scale of 1993 where everyone now says the better team got screwed. It will not happen again, but FSU will help by losing at least two more thanks to continued poor coaching.

Of course you would think that. It's all speculation and likely won't happen but stranger things have already happened this year. When the committee looks at how FSU lost on the road and consider they beat a team ranked #3 by the AP in Death Valley that beat ND and they beat UF in the swamp I think the possibilities FSU jumps ND are quite plausible.

Besides, if that happens and it's a travesty on the 1993 scale then the deserving team should get the nod AGAIN. That would be FSU .

 

[Epictitus]

As usual, you're an idiot. At least you went a few sentences without a lie; that's new!

 

[no1e]

As usual, you're an idiot. At least you went a few sentences without a lie; that's new!

Stop the hypocrisy. You continue to embarrass.

 

[Bodizephax]

I just know the Irish will make the playoffs when they win out.

*** My algorithm I made in another post factors in upsets that always happen in college football which WILL happen.

*** Also my algorithm factors in injuries of major players---- Who would have thought that Baylor would lose their starting QB to a broken neckbone and have to go with a TRUE freshman QB.
Baylor has to play three high ranked teams in a row. My algorithm factors this in. As far as I know my formula is the first of it's kind.
I ought to be up for a Fields medal for this.

 

[Chitownrealist]

Big 12 rep is in - not getting left out again and too many 0 and 1 loss teams left.

SEC is in unless a 2 loss FL wins the SEC championship. Alabama has 1 game left. LSU needs to beat Bama, Ark, Ole Miss and ATM. In the end there are a lot of permutations here but I just don't see the SEC champ getting left out.

PAC 10 - I think we actually control our destiny with this one. We win out and we beat out PAC 10 champ.

ACC - need Clemson to lose to FSU. If the ACC champ gets in, we will need to beat out the SEC and Big 10 champs - don't see that happening.

Big 10 - we need UM to beat OSU, OSU to beat MSU and OSU to beat Iowa. Still doesn't mean we get in ahead of OSU, but our best shot.

Going to be tough for us to make it, but games don't always go as planned in November when rivals meet.

 

[Weisnheimer]

In all likelihood if FSU were to beat Clemson in Death Valley Clemson would be out. Assuming both win the rest of their remaining ACC games they each would have one ACC loss but FSU would win the Coastal and play in the ACCCG due to head-to-head. No way they take a team from the ACC who didn't even win their conference division. It will be a stretch for them to take a one loss champion THIS year.

Question I have asked is if FSU beats Clemson and wins out finishing 12-1 will they jump an 11-1 ND. I say probably.

Lots of FB to be played.

That assumption must be because of the clout conferences enjoy. Also not giving much respect to the pac12 that boasts the 2nd best conf to the SEC, should Notre Dame beat their best.

Not to mention that Notre Dame basically pounded Ga Tech (up 30-10 with 1 1/2 min. left in the game and no chance to win). While 3 weeks later, Fla. St. LOST to that same team only 2 days ago being tied late in the game.

If it is between the 3 with 1-loss, (Clemson, Fla St, and Notre Dame) and both Clemson and ND beat Ga Tech while FSU lost to that same team and more recently...if it's a close game with FSU winning in Death Valley - as it was with Notre Dame losing...with no H2H between ND and FSU, then they will look at SOS.

Your cupcakes are Texas State and Chattanoooga, and Notre Dame's cupcakes are UMass and probably a 10-2 Navy. I think on the aggregate, ND wins SOS.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

Of course you would think that. It's all speculation and likely won't happen but stranger things have already happened this year. When the committee looks at how FSU lost on the road and consider they beat a team ranked #3 by the AP in Death Valley that beat ND and they beat UF in the swamp I think the possibilities FSU jumps ND are quite plausible.

Besides, if that happens and it's a travesty on the 1993 scale then the deserving team should get the nod AGAIN. That would be FSU .

Dude there is no way you can't see that the 93 nod went to FSU because of the NBC backlash and Bowden. Clearly, you were 7 point favorites in the head to head game and you lost by 7. But you keep thinking your way, most people know the truth

 

[Weisnheimer]

Big 12 rep is in - not getting left out again and too many 0 and 1 loss teams left.

SEC is in unless a 2 loss FL wins the SEC championship. Alabama has 1 game left. LSU needs to beat Bama, Ark, Ole Miss and ATM. In the end there are a lot of permutations here but I just don't see the SEC champ getting left out.

PAC 10 - I think we actually control our destiny with this one. We win out and we beat out PAC 10 champ.

ACC - need Clemson to lose to FSU. If the ACC champ gets in, we will need to beat out the SEC and Big 10 champs - don't see that happening.

Big 10 - we need UM to beat OSU, OSU to beat MSU and OSU to beat Iowa. Still doesn't mean we get in ahead of OSU, but our best shot.

Going to be tough for us to make it, but games don't always go as planned in November when rivals meet.

Agree and disagree.

I agree Big12 will have a rep. And we replace the pac12 with win over expected conf. champ, Stanford.

Disagree that Big10 will have a big a say as you think. If OSU wins out they're in. Simple as that. And I would prefer to keep it that simple as it takes both Mi St. and Iowa out of the picture.

But should Mi St. beat OSU, then Mi St. gets the conf. championship game and not OSU. Mi St has not looked good on D which is what they hung their hat on last year.

Regardless, then Mi St. plays and probably wins against Iowa in conf. championship. And even though the game will probably be close, not real playoff worthy talent on either team. But, window dressing winner will get in.

ACC - already addressed.

 

[basketlax41]

Big 12 rep is in - not getting left out again and too many 0 and 1 loss teams left.

SEC is in unless a 2 loss FL wins the SEC championship. Alabama has 1 game left. LSU needs to beat Bama, Ark, Ole Miss and ATM. In the end there are a lot of permutations here but I just don't see the SEC champ getting left out.

PAC 10 - I think we actually control our destiny with this one. We win out and we beat out PAC 10 champ.

ACC - need Clemson to lose to FSU. If the ACC champ gets in, we will need to beat out the SEC and Big 10 champs - don't see that happening.

Big 10 - we need UM to beat OSU, OSU to beat MSU and OSU to beat Iowa. Still doesn't mean we get in ahead of OSU, but our best shot.

Going to be tough for us to make it, but games don't always go as planned in November when rivals meet.

I don't think a one loss Oklahoma as the big 12 champ is a lock of making it. I agree if the one loss champs loss is a good one like to Baylor or TCU they'll probably get the nod. But a loss like Oklahomas would put the committee in a tough spot.

 

[LGPazu]

Big 12 rep is in - not getting left out again and too many 0 and 1 loss teams left.

SEC is in unless a 2 loss FL wins the SEC championship. Alabama has 1 game left. LSU needs to beat Bama, Ark, Ole Miss and ATM. In the end there are a lot of permutations here but I just don't see the SEC champ getting left out.

PAC 10 - I think we actually control our destiny with this one. We win out and we beat out PAC 10 champ.

ACC - need Clemson to lose to FSU. If the ACC champ gets in, we will need to beat out the SEC and Big 10 champs - don't see that happening.

Big 10 - we need UM to beat OSU, OSU to beat MSU and OSU to beat Iowa. Still doesn't mean we get in ahead of OSU, but our best shot.

Going to be tough for us to make it, but games don't always go as planned in November when rivals meet.

This post makes the most sense I have read to date. Well thought out. I just posted a thread with all TTop 12 teams and remaining schedule plus conference championship, Unless something crazy happens, one team that loses will be replaced be the other. For example, MSU beats OSU or BAMA beats LSU, etc.

ND has no virtually no chance to make the playoffs unless these teams are upset before bif games against rivals

 

[Bodizephax]

This post makes the most sense I have read to date. Well thought out. I just posted a thread with all TTop 12 teams and remaining schedule plus conference championship, Unless something crazy happens, one team that loses will be replaced be the other. For example, MSU beats OSU or BAMA beats LSU, etc.

ND has no virtually no chance to make the playoffs unless these teams are upset before bif games against rivals

Pazu the troll.

 

[LGPazu]

Pazu the troll.

Sis-Boom-Bah. As usual, your posts are about how well you can cheer and no football logic

 

[Bryan Driskell]

I have been projecting best outcomes for ND to reach the playoffs and I have been thinking that pulling for Fla St to beat Clemson in Clemson would make for the committee to evaluate the 2-pt loss to Clemson in Clemson, in that monsoon, Clemson having 2 weeks to prepare, etc. And the best outcome being those 3 (ND, Clemson, Fla St) vying for the final spot with OSU, LSU, and Baylor being the top 3. (This assuming ND wins out by beating pac12 champ Stanford, of course).

However, Clemson remaining undefeated theory may have validity now, as well. The negative to this is that Clemson and OSU would be two guaranteed places taken, leaving only 2 spots open. But, if this happens, it eliminates Fla St for sure.

Enter SEC. LSU is currently undefeated, and has to survive a trip to Alabama. If they don't survive and Alabama wins, Alabama has a much easier schedule to finish with (and with the stupid so-called style points) and thereby having an identical record as Notre Dame heading to an easy conf. championship game win.

If that happens? They are in and it comes down to 1-spot left and the comparison is then dwindled down to looking at Notre Dame resume vs. LSU resume for that last spot.

Mind you, Big12 Baylor was who I thought would be #1 ranked at EOY, but now the QB sustained a neck injury, so it may be TCU who wins that conf. and imo, gets the nod.

Which scenario is better for ND? Vying with LSU (each of us having 1-loss) in this scenario, or vying with Clemson AND Fla St with each of us having 1-loss?

I believe this is the thread you were whining about getting deleted. Which you can see, no one deleted. It apparently wasn't interesting enough for people to keep replying in, so it got moved to the second page.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

It's not. He is whining about the thread titled Bowl Options. In that thread he had a post thst said "what if GT beats FSU..." he was bumping the thread to make sure everyone knew he was proud he called the upset in advance.

 

[Bryan Driskell]

It's not. He is whining about the thread titled Bowl Options. In that thread he had a post thst said "what if GT beats FSU..." he was bumping the thread to make sure everyone knew he was proud he called the upset in advance.

Oh, you mean this thread that also hasn't been deleted and is actually on the first page???

http://notredame.forums.rivals.com/threads/bowl-options.39539/

 

[SALittleGiant513]

I mean yeah. I was confused about it to and asked about it and was told to Eff off. I was just trying to clarify for you. My bad.