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It might change a bit after the championship games, but at the very worst, ND’s schedule will be top 5 tough.

When you take into consideration recruiting handicaps, expecting to compete for a national title every season when other great programs get to “shop from a different aisle” seems unrealistic.

Are there coaches who would do better than Kelly? Maybe. Probably. But those coaches aren’t knocking down our door to come coach here. There aren’t any surefire coaches who would take the program to a different level given the limitations in our recruiting.

For all of you who want a change now, you might regret it when we fall from where we are now like what has happened at Nebraska and Florida.
 
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I’m tired of this national title talk. ND isn’t winning one again. We know that!

What is so difficult for some people to understand? Some of us are getting tired of seeing ND getting blown out in big road games or bowl games constantly. 2-10 record for Kelly in such games. The only one I remember is OU five years ago.

ND is not respected like Stanford, Wisconsin, and Oklahoma State are. That’s what I want. I’m tired of Kelly apologists hiding behind this notion that the “Kelly haters” want a national title every year.

ND hasn’t won their final regular season game of the year since 2012. The only reason that happened is because Matt Barkley was out injured.

What does that have to do with this constant national title talk?

Kelly is 0-4 at Stanford, 0-2 at Michigan, 0-2 in major bowl games, 0-4 in the big ACC road games, and has losses to bad teams like Northwestern, Duke, and multiple losses to Navy (who doesn’t have the recruits ND has).

Why doesn’t ND come out and say something then? If they can’t compete with other major teams and there are all these restrictions then drop down and play a weaker schedule of like-minded programs.

You can’t have it both ways.
 
I’m tired of this national title talk. ND isn’t winning one again. We know that!

What is so difficult for some people to understand? Some of us are getting tired of seeing ND getting blown out in big road games or bowl games constantly. 2-10 record for Kelly in such games. The only one I remember is OU five years ago.

ND is not respected like Stanford, Wisconsin, and Oklahoma State are. That’s what I want. I’m tired of Kelly apologists hiding behind this notion that the “Kelly haters” want a national title every year.

ND hasn’t won their final regular season game of the year since 2012. The only reason that happened is because Matt Barkley was out injured.

What does that have to do with this constant national title talk?

Kelly is 0-4 at Stanford, 0-2 at Michigan, 0-2 in major bowl games, 0-4 in the big ACC road games, and has losses to bad teams like Northwestern, Duke, and multiple losses to Navy (who doesn’t have the recruits ND has).

Why doesn’t ND come out and say something then? If they can’t compete with other major teams and there are all these restrictions then drop down and play a weaker schedule of like-minded programs.

You can’t have it both ways.
By far your best post ever. A true masterpiece!!
 
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I’m tired of this national title talk. ND isn’t winning one again. We know that!

What is so difficult for some people to understand? Some of us are getting tired of seeing ND getting blown out in big road games or bowl games constantly. 2-10 record for Kelly in such games. The only one I remember is OU five years ago.

ND is not respected like Stanford, Wisconsin, and Oklahoma State are. That’s what I want. I’m tired of Kelly apologists hiding behind this notion that the “Kelly haters” want a national title every year.

ND hasn’t won their final regular season game of the year since 2012. The only reason that happened is because Matt Barkley was out injured.

What does that have to do with this constant national title talk?

Kelly is 0-4 at Stanford, 0-2 at Michigan, 0-2 in major bowl games, 0-4 in the big ACC road games, and has losses to bad teams like Northwestern, Duke, and multiple losses to Navy (who doesn’t have the recruits ND has).

Why doesn’t ND come out and say something then? If they can’t compete with other major teams and there are all these restrictions then drop down and play a weaker schedule of like-minded programs.

You can’t have it both ways.[/QUOTE
I’m tired of this national title talk. ND isn’t winning one again. We know that!

What is so difficult for some people to understand? Some of us are getting tired of seeing ND getting blown out in big road games or bowl games constantly. 2-10 record for Kelly in such games. The only one I remember is OU five years ago.

ND is not respected like Stanford, Wisconsin, and Oklahoma State are. That’s what I want. I’m tired of Kelly apologists hiding behind this notion that the “Kelly haters” want a national title every year.

ND hasn’t won their final regular season game of the year since 2012. The only reason that happened is because Matt Barkley was out injured.

What does that have to do with this constant national title talk?

Kelly is 0-4 at Stanford, 0-2 at Michigan, 0-2 in major bowl games, 0-4 in the big ACC road games, and has losses to bad teams like Northwestern, Duke, and multiple losses to Navy (who doesn’t have the recruits ND has).

Why doesn’t ND come out and say something then? If they can’t compete with other major teams and there are all these restrictions then drop down and play a weaker schedule of like-minded programs.

You can’t have it both ways.
What is getting old is being outclassed by Stanford. We shop from the same aisle they do. It is getting old that we don't show up for road games or that fall apart in November. That's all on Kelly and his lack of motivational skills. There was no reason to keep him after last year. The sample size is 8 years. It won't change in year 9 or 10.
 
Can ND just hire a guy who spends all his time motivating? He can be the coach in charge of motivation. He hands out the towels and gets the jumping and dancing going on the sidelines. Seems like kids are so ADD today they need that.
 
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It might change a bit after the championship games, but at the very worst, ND’s schedule will be top 5 tough.

When you take into consideration recruiting handicaps, expecting to compete for a national title every season when other great programs get to “shop from a different aisle” seems unrealistic.

Are there coaches who would do better than Kelly? Maybe. Probably. But those coaches aren’t knocking down our door to come coach here. There aren’t any surefire coaches who would take the program to a different level given the limitations in our recruiting.

For all of you who want a change now, you might regret it when we fall from where we are now like what has happened at Nebraska and Florida.
Okay, but they lost three toughest games on their schedule. At least win one of the three.
 
Okay, but they lost three toughest games on their schedule. At least win one of the three.

USC was arguably a tougher opponent than Stanford. The Trojans were in line for a playoff slot when they played ND. And USC is favored over Stanford this weekend.
 
It might change a bit after the championship games, but at the very worst, ND’s schedule will be top 5 tough.

When you take into consideration recruiting handicaps, expecting to compete for a national title every season when other great programs get to “shop from a different aisle” seems unrealistic.

Are there coaches who would do better than Kelly? Maybe. Probably. But those coaches aren’t knocking down our door to come coach here. There aren’t any surefire coaches who would take the program to a different level given the limitations in our recruiting.

For all of you who want a change now, you might regret it when we fall from where we are now like what has happened at Nebraska and Florida.
Another bk sympathizer, my gosh when I hear this shit I just want to bang my head against the wall. Quit making fricking excuses, stop accepting mediocrity!!
 
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Another bk sympathizer, my gosh when I hear this shit I just want to bang my head against the wall. Quit making fricking excuses, stop accepting mediocrity!!

Yeah, anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot.
 
I personally think our players were beat. Nobody is going to say this because they don't want to make excuses but when you play that kind of a schedule you burn out. They clearly burned out after the USC and North Carolina State games. After playing a very solid Wake Forest, it was easy to see that they were headed downhill. If we were Alabama and scheduled some Mercer's we might've been healthier and peaked at the right time. Maybe not but it still worth considering.
 
I think it's reasonable to expect the team's performance on the field to at least correlate with recruiting.

If we recruit 10-12 on average, then competent coaching should translate to roughly 10-12 on average in the final polls (I would argue AT LEAST because the teams ahead of us in recruiting are normally not on the schedule). The thing is, they pretty much underachieve in that regard every year, as opposed to the basketball team that consistently overachieves.

So with that being said, it should be reasonable to expect we legitimately compete for the playoffs every other year. I don't think we will ever get to OSU or Bama level, but being a 10 win team on average is very doable.
 
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I think it's reasonable to expect the team's performance on the field to at least correlate with recruiting.

If we recruit 10-12 on average, then competent coaching should translate to roughly 10-12 on average in the final polls (I would argue AT LEAST because the teams ahead of us in recruiting are normally not on the schedule). The thing is, they pretty much underachieve in that regard every year, as opposed to the basketball team that consistently overachieves.

So with that being said, it should be reasonable to expect we legitimately compete for the playoffs every other year. I don't think we will ever get to OSU or Bama level, but being a 10 win team on average is very doable.
Yes! Double digit wins plus competing for a playoff spot plus winning at least one big ROAD game should be the expectation each year. This will have us end up making the dance some years, missing it others, which is fine. Just follow those criterias consistently and you will crack a title eventually. Saban won't last forever, things change! We need to rid the curse of mediocrity. This year is a failure due to the lack of a big road win, and the possibility we don't reach 10 wins. Expect more!
 
Yes! Double digit wins plus competing for a playoff spot plus winning at least one big ROAD game should be the expectation each year. This will have us end up making the dance some years, missing it others, which is fine. Just follow those criterias consistently and you will crack a title eventually. Saban won't last forever, things change! We need to rid the curse of mediocrity. This year is a failure due to the lack of a big road win, and the possibility we don't reach 10 wins. Expect more!


Meh. We beat Michigan St. on the road this year. Stanford is now 3 spots ahead of MSU in the polls, but not that big of a deal.
 
Meh. We beat Michigan St. on the road this year. Stanford is now 3 spots ahead of MSU in the polls, but not that big of a deal.
What a fricking idiot. Something to be proud of. Three weeks ago the Irish were a really good football team, what happened? If the season started this Saturday they would be 6-6.
 
What a fricking idiot. Something to be proud of. Three weeks ago the Irish were a really good football team, what happened? If the season started this Saturday they would be 6-6.

Another dick post by this person.
 
What is getting old is being outclassed by Stanford. We shop from the same aisle they do. It is getting old that we don't show up for road games or that fall apart in November. That's all on Kelly and his lack of motivational skills. There was no reason to keep him after last year. The sample size is 8 years. It won't change in year 9 or 10.
Kelly is one of the worst motivational speakers I’ve seen and listen to from his locker room peptalk’s. Lou Holtz, that’s a motivator.
 
What is getting old is being outclassed by Stanford. We shop from the same aisle they do. It is getting old that we don't show up for road games or that fall apart in November. That's all on Kelly and his lack of motivational skills. There was no reason to keep him after last year. The sample size is 8 years. It won't change in year 9 or 10.

Some ridiculous points are that Wisconsin, Stanford, & Oklahoma State are “respected” and ND isn’t. People either like this program or hate it so that will never change. People aren’t going to suddenly say ‘we respect you Irish’ because we win 1 extra game & don’t get smacked by a team. In terms of the other remarks from the OP, I’d agree on them. I’ve been saying for a long time we will need a huge amount of luck to win a NC, especially without a top 5 recruiting class which we will not get unless Saban decides he really wants a coaching challenge. What’s funny isn’t that people forget that as great as Saban is, he coached Sparty & didn’t have great success. Still I’d say a coach like him would give ND the best opportunity to get another NC one day but even coaches don’t want to come here because of the recruiting restrictions. If the administration offered 10 million a year to Saban tomorrow he would turn it down unless he felt sorry for us or like I said, he just wanted to end his career with a challenge. Why else would you leave a program like Bama where you can recruit kids with a 2.0 GPA and violations are overlooked? That goes for most programs so I’m not knocking Bama only, I actually like watching them play because they are a true team.

In addition we aren’t outclassed by Stanford, that’s ridiculous. Out coached yes, outclassed no, or did I miss the last national championship Stanford got? They have the same record as us & their strength of schedule isn’t close. 6 out of 12 teams we played will finish in the top 20, how many other teams ranked in the top 20 are better?

Anyway I’m in no way defending Kelly, I don’t care if we fire him or don’t. He is a good guy & I think he has actually improved his coaching by letting the new coordinators call the plays. The coaches can only do so much and then the players need to execute. When Wimbush goes out against Miami & can only complete passes to the Hurricanes, how much blame goes on the coaches? The kids arm is average at best when it comes to accuracy which is why I thought 7-5 was our best outcome this year.

One last comment, I place some blame on our fans as well. It’s a joke to see ND stadium get overrun by other schools fans and when it doesn’t get overrun you can hear a freaking pin drop. I also guarantee when recruits visit & see this it changes their minds on whether they want to play for the Irish. Back in the day it wasn’t as crazy as say, Michigan, but it definitely wasn’t like it is now. I still get chills thinking about the game against Florida St. in 93 because if you were there you felt that energy and it never stopped the entire game. Even the old people, that normally get made if you stand up and make noise, were cool lol. There were other games as well at the old stadium which were electric, even against smaller teams, but times have changed. The administration decided cash was more important than the most loyal fans & I think it backfired in terms of respect but not for the money which is their number 1 priority!
 
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and yet did not beat any Top 10 teams.

I think USC will finish top 10. To me that was the best game Wimbush played. The one thing I’ll say about Miami & Stanford is that both were road games against solid teams. Not excusing getting smoked by Miami but go look at the top 10 teams & check their losses, mostly road games. Bama just lost at Auburn, Ohio St got killed in Iowa (a reason they shouldn’t be ranked so high) Georgia at Auburn, Miami at Pitt, Clemson at Cuse, Penn St. at Sparty, USC at ND yeah! Lmao :D
 
Temple. Weak opponent
Georgia refused to play DW but did play Canteen and C. Smith who did nothing. Offensive play calling marginal- Loss
Boston College good road win against mediocre team
MSU. Multiple players suspended or kicked out. Crawford forced fumble changed game
Miami Ohio= joke
UNC sucked this year
USC banged up and we had 2 weeks to prepare. We did play with intensity.
NC State good win they were above average
Wake Forest decent team not great
MIAMI loss
Navy mediocre. PIA every year.
Stanford loss

The schedule wasnt as difficult when all the circumstances are factored in. But it was the way we lost the last 2 games that was inexcusable. Believe what you want.
 
Temple. Weak opponent
Georgia refused to play DW but did play Canteen and C. Smith who did nothing. Offensive play calling marginal- Loss
Boston College good road win against mediocre team
MSU. Multiple players suspended or kicked out. Crawford forced fumble changed game
Miami Ohio= joke
UNC sucked this year
USC banged up and we had 2 weeks to prepare. We did play with intensity.
NC State good win they were above average
Wake Forest decent team not great
MIAMI loss
Navy mediocre. PIA every year.
Stanford loss

The schedule wasnt as difficult when all the circumstances are factored in. But it was the way we lost the last 2 games that was inexcusable. Believe what you want.

Hilarious, you’re going game by game and making excuses as to why the teams we played weren’t that difficult at that time? Maybe the dumbest post I’ve seen in a while.
 
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Temple. Weak opponent
Georgia refused to play DW but did play Canteen and C. Smith who did nothing. Offensive play calling marginal- Loss
Boston College good road win against mediocre team
MSU. Multiple players suspended or kicked out. Crawford forced fumble changed game
Miami Ohio= joke
UNC sucked this year
USC banged up and we had 2 weeks to prepare. We did play with intensity.
NC State good win they were above average
Wake Forest decent team not great
MIAMI loss
Navy mediocre. PIA every year.
Stanford loss

The schedule wasnt as difficult when all the circumstances are factored in. But it was the way we lost the last 2 games that was inexcusable. Believe what you want.
Seriously? Did you do the same analysis in judging everyone else's schedule? SOS is a comparative measure, not an absolute one.
 
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Hilarious, you’re going game by game and making excuses as to why the teams we played weren’t that difficult at that time? Maybe the dumbest post I’ve seen in a while.


but you just chose to insult him not debate any points. He was objective.
USC was missing half dozen starters from it’s team. You can say, that’s the breaks, but you need to factor that in when trying to honestly evaluate your team.
The fact is ND still did not beat a Top 10 team (at game time) and has an abysmal record against higher ranked teams. And this is 8 seasons deep.
The schedule was obviously too hard for ND. Aside from beating an over ranked SC team ( even SC fans agree on this) where was your big win? Don’t pump up the schedule that defeated your team!
 
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Most fans would prefer a polarized schedule like the typical SECw team.
 
We have recruited well over the last 4 years especially on offense. The team is built to handle a tough schedule especially when the overall goal is to win the championship and play the elite teams. One thing i forgot is how Georgia had a brand new frosh QB. Other than that a respectable loss all things considered. Miami and Stanford blow outs were unacceptable and Bryce Love not at 100%. Last year we lose to Stanford without McCaffrey. Kelly just cant seem to beat Shaw unless its last second at home.
 
Most fans would prefer a polarized schedule like the typical SECw team.
I actually don't agree with that at all. We might have the largest % of fans that travel a meaningful distance to home games in the country. That involves planes or long car rides, and hotels in either case. Who is going to want to drop $1,000+ to go to ND and watch us beat Samford 57-3? That works for a big state school with a huge local fan base, but it doesn't work for us. Heck, there's hand wringing over the cost of attendance when we play the occasional MAC team, nevermind some doormat or an FCS team.
 
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I actually don't agree with that at all. We might have the largest % of fans that travel a meaningful distance to home games in the country. That involves planes or long car rides, and hotels in either case. Who is going to want to drop $1,000+ to go to ND and watch us beat Samford 57-3? That works for a big state school with a huge local fan base, but it doesn't work for us. Heck, there's hand wringing over the cost of attendance when we play the occasional MAC team, nevermind some doormat or an FCS team.

Hell, there's hand wringing over the cost of a ticket when we play power 5 schools like BC, Wake Forest and NCSU.
 
I’m tired of this national title talk. ND isn’t winning one again. We know that!

What is so difficult for some people to understand? Some of us are getting tired of seeing ND getting blown out in big road games or bowl games constantly. 2-10 record for Kelly in such games. The only one I remember is OU five years ago.

ND is not respected like Stanford, Wisconsin, and Oklahoma State are. That’s what I want. I’m tired of Kelly apologists hiding behind this notion that the “Kelly haters” want a national title every year.

ND hasn’t won their final regular season game of the year since 2012. The only reason that happened is because Matt Barkley was out injured.

What does that have to do with this constant national title talk?

Kelly is 0-4 at Stanford, 0-2 at Michigan, 0-2 in major bowl games, 0-4 in the big ACC road games, and has losses to bad teams like Northwestern, Duke, and multiple losses to Navy (who doesn’t have the recruits ND has).

Why doesn’t ND come out and say something then? If they can’t compete with other major teams and there are all these restrictions then drop down and play a weaker schedule of like-minded programs.

You can’t have it both ways.
When you put it like that...... wow
 
but you just chose to insult him not debate any points. He was objective.
USC was missing half dozen starters from it’s team. You can say, that’s the breaks, but you need to factor that in when trying to honestly evaluate your team.
The fact is ND still did not beat a Top 10 team (at game time) and has an abysmal record against higher ranked teams. And this is 8 seasons deep.
The schedule was obviously too hard for ND. Aside from beating an over ranked SC team ( even SC fans agree on this) where was your big win? Don’t pump up the schedule that defeated your team!

Debate what? All teams have injuries. I think this is the first season our starting QB finished the year under Kelly however people don’t think of that when deciding he should be fired. In fact Kelly has had so many bad injuries since he’s been here that he had to go hire a new strength coach.

Also the excuses are ridiculous, like ‘Crawford forced fumble changed game’ what’s that even mean? We stomped Sparty this year and all games can change on a single play, but how does that make our win less significant? I don’t care if we win by 1 or 50 because a win is a win and if you understand football then you understand that philosophy.

Oh and saying we ‘didn’t beat a top 10 team at game time’ makes no sense. Rankings are worthless until the end of the season and shouldn’t even start until week 7 at the earliest. When 6 teams we played finish in the top 20-25 that’s not anything to discredit. I’m not disagreeing we shouldn’t have gotten beat up by Miami or Stanford, but there is nothing the coaches can do when Wimbush is playing that bad.. particularly at Miami.

Hey I’m not saying Kelly has been the best coach but I don’t think he has been the worst. I also don’t care if we get a new coach but unless the name is Saban, or a couple others, it probably won’t change. We need top recruits, 5* kids to be serious about another title and the fact is they aren’t coming here anymore. It sucks but a lot of people on here still act like we’re in the 60’s when ND had studs all over the field like Ohio State or Bama does each season. 30 years since our last NC, so how can you blame 1 coach instead of looking at everything that has happened over the years.
 
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NC State good win they were above average
Wake Forest decent team not great[/QUOTE]

Didn't Wake Forest beat NC State?
 
No matter who beat who NC State had the stronger year. Neither are elite teams. Above average is probably where they both fall depending on your perspective. NC State is tough at home. I dont follow Wake but it seems like the program is improving under their current coach.
 
No matter who beat who NC State had the stronger year. Neither are elite teams. Above average is probably where they both fall depending on your perspective. NC State is tough at home. I dont follow Wake but it seems like the program is improving under their current coach.
Wake is seriously improved under Clawsen. Was really surprised they lost their last one to the Dukies.
 
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