No. 9 Notre Dame at Texas on Sunday Night in Prime Time

[cgvr]

http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-r...llege-football-opening-weekend-schedule-ever/

"Sunday, Sept. 4 – No. 9 Notre Dame at TexasESPN/ABC’s dynamite week 1 schedule continues Sunday, Sept. 4, when two of college football’s most celebrated programs match up: No. 9 Notre Dame at Texas (7:30 p.m. on ABC) from Austin, Texas. The game is believed to be the network’s first-ever live, Sunday, prime-time, regular season college football game and the Fighting Irish-Longhorns’ 12th all-time matchup, with their first game dating back to 1913."


ND holds the series edge at 9-2

 

[cincykid5]

http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-r...llege-football-opening-weekend-schedule-ever/




ND holds the series edge at 9-2

Sept. 3 Alabama - USC at Arlington, Texas AT&T stadium
also prime time.
GOOOO IRISH , we want Victories!
God bless all especially our Veterans.

 

[BigFellaFan]

This will give cgvr a great chance to root for Texas against our Irish!

 

[scotchirishblood]

I could have missed it but I have NEVER seen cgvr root against ND. He may be displeased with some of the coaching (many ND fans are) but he's never rooted for ND the team lose anything.

 

[cgvr]

I could have missed it but I have NEVER seen cgvr root against ND. He may be displeased with some of the coaching (many ND fans are) but he's never rooted for ND the team lose anything.

Why thank you. There are plenty of alumni and fans that can't stand/despise kelly. That's on him. He's a bullying, underachieving, disloyal, dishonest creep......

Plenty of Yankee fans couldn't stand Billy Martin and still pulled for the Yankees.
As a coach kelly has multiple Achilles heels. Special teams, red zone offense, inability to establish an identity on either side of the ball, can't add, can't get plays in,.......... He has hired some excellent assistants, but at the most critical of staff positions he has failed miserably. van gorder flat out stinks.... We recently set an ND record for ineptitude - most points per game against us in a season. That was followed by the 5th worst in school history. So, we have the 2 year worst totals ever and are working on the 3 worst years in school history. Nothing tells me it will improve.
kelly is a polarizing tool bag and he better pull it together.... Hopefully, he can evolve, but I doubt it. He's very very stupid.

 

[echowaker]

Why thank you. There are plenty of alumni and fans that can't stand/despise kelly. That's on him. He's a bullying, underachieving, disloyal, dishonest creep......

Plenty of Yankee fans couldn't stand Billy Martin and still pulled for the Yankees.
As a coach kelly has multiple Achilles heels. Special teams, red zone offense, inability to establish an identity on either side of the ball, can't add, can't get plays in,.......... He has hired some excellent assistants, but at the most critical of staff positions he has failed miserably. van gorder flat out stinks.... We recently set an ND record for ineptitude - most points per game against us in a season. That was followed by the 5th worst in school history. So, we have the 2 year worst totals ever and are working on the 3 worst years in school history. Nothing tells me it will improve.
kelly is a polarizing tool bag and he better pull it together.... Hopefully, he can evolve, but I doubt it. He's very very stupid.

Blah,blah,blah.

 

[TheDecker]

Why thank you. There are plenty of alumni and fans that can't stand/despise kelly. That's on him. He's a bullying, underachieving, disloyal, dishonest creep......

Plenty of Yankee fans couldn't stand Billy Martin and still pulled for the Yankees.
As a coach kelly has multiple Achilles heels. Special teams, red zone offense, inability to establish an identity on either side of the ball, can't add, can't get plays in,.......... He has hired some excellent assistants, but at the most critical of staff positions he has failed miserably. van gorder flat out stinks.... We recently set an ND record for ineptitude - most points per game against us in a season. That was followed by the 5th worst in school history. So, we have the 2 year worst totals ever and are working on the 3 worst years in school history. Nothing tells me it will improve.
kelly is a polarizing tool bag and he better pull it together.... Hopefully, he can evolve, but I doubt it. He's very very stupid.

Wow!
You're a legitimate moron

The vasty majority of your rant is simply incorrect and ignorant

You should post less, fewer chances to display your stupidity may help you to hide it more effectively.

 

[Duo]

Here's something I find a little puzzling.........all along I have been assuming ND would beat Texas rather handily. Then I read in the ESPN Football Power Index - 2016 that Texas is actually favored to beat ND by a factor of 54+%. In other words, basically a draw with a slight edge for Texas. Humm.......interesting. I know very little about Texas.........thoughts, comments or other info.?

Also, FWIW, the Power Index gives USC a 75% chance of beating ND in the Coliseum.

 

[TheDecker]

Here's something I find a little puzzling.........all along I have been assuming ND would beat Texas rather handily. Then I read in the ESPN Football Power Index - 2016 that Texas is actually favored to beat ND by a factor of 54+%. In other words, basically a draw with a slight edge for Texas. Humm.......interesting. I know very little about Texas.........thoughts, comments or other info.?

Also, FWIW, the Power Index gives USC a 75% chance of beating ND in the Coliseum.

It's ESPN, it's garbage.

There is a reason that ND is favored by 6-8 points over Texas in Vegas.....even on the road
(meaning Vegas has ND as about 10+ points better than Texas on a neutral field)

Using ESPN as a source for any form analysis is akin to getting political commentary for TMZ

 

[cgvr]

Blah,blah,blah.

Here's Notre Dame's top five worst ppg by season.

1956 "Terry" Brennan 28.9
1999 Bob Davie 27.58333
2009 Charlie Weis 25.91667
2014 Brian Kelly 29.15385
2015 Brian Kelly 24.07692

In 2014, kelly removed the monkey from Brennan's back and placed it squarely on his.
He now owns the single season worst mark. Plus, kelly owns 40% of the top five.
The current stretch is the worst 2 years in the program's history.

PS Outside of blind optimism, among the reasons to believe this year's D will be better are a weak schedule and how could it get worse?

 

[TheDecker]

Here's Notre Dame's top five worst ppg by season.

1956 "Terry" Brennan 28.9
1999 Bob Davie 27.58333
2009 Charlie Weis 25.91667
2014 Brian Kelly 29.15385
2015 Brian Kelly 24.07692

In 2014, kelly removed the monkey from Brennan's back and placed it squarely on his.
He now owns the single season worst mark. Plus, kelly owns 40% of the top five.
The current stretch is the worst 2 years in the program's history.

PS Outside of blind optimism, among the reasons to believe this year's D will be better are a weak schedule and how could it get worse?

You realize that this is the case for the vast majority of football programs (CFB and NFL) right now.

ND's struggled on defense more that we should have the last 2 years...........but offensive records are being shattered across the sport, primarily due to rule changes that favor offense

You're making it out like ND had one of hte weakest defenses in all of CFB last year.....but in reality they were #39 in Scoring Defense
(again not good enough, but not horrendous either)

 

[Epictitus]

Every time I think cgvr makes a post proving he is about as dumb as any human I have ever seen he posts again and looks even dumber. Then it takes a slob like Duo, an FSU troll no less, or this total loser scotchbloodirish to stick up for him. What a sad POS!

 

[cgvr]

You realize that this is the case for the vast majority of football programs (CFB and NFL) right now.

ND's struggled on defense more that we should have the last 2 years...........but offensive records are being shattered across the sport, primarily due to rule changes that favor offense

You're making it out like ND had one of hte weakest defenses in all of CFB last year.....but in reality they were #39 in Scoring Defense
(again not good enough, but not horrendous either)

I made no mention of other schools. Plus, the record for ineptitude kelly shattered dates back to 1956. So much for modern theory.....

 

[TheDecker]

I made no mention of other schools. Plus, the record for ineptitude kelly shattered dates back to 1956. So much for modern theory.....

Which is why your comments are so incedibly dumb

The game is so different today than it was back in the 50's (literally, the rules are different) that comparisons to teams from the distant past of little ot no value
What's valuable is comparing 2015 ND to other 2015 CFB programs (which is what games do)

There is nothing you said that in any way refutes the point that a large part of ND's "record points allowed" is largely due to the simply fact that the rules of today slant the game heavily towards scoring more points than every before......and thus we're seeing a slew of these records be set

Basically, everything you're saying is either:
1.) Factually incorrect
2.) Totally worthless and down-right moronic

 

[cgvr]

Uh okay, the record for ppg against ND was set in 1956. It held until dopey blew it up in 2014.

Yep and somehow in the last 5 years alabama managed to hold teams to 8 ppg in one season, 10 in another, 13, 18, 15....

Take a look at who is # 98 in this article.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ors-that-get-teams-off-the-field-the-fastest/

 

[scotchirishblood]

Every time I think cgvr makes a post proving he is about as dumb as any human I have ever seen he posts again and looks even dumber. Then it takes a slob like Duo, an FSU troll no less, or this total loser scotchbloodirish to stick up for him. What a sad POS!

I notice you didn't refute what I said. I said that I have never seen cgvr root against ND. You haven't either.

Being dumb as any human is obviously something you know a lot about.

 

[Duo]

It's ESPN, it's garbage.

There is a reason that ND is favored by 6-8 points over Texas in Vegas.....even on the road
(meaning Vegas has ND as about 10+ points better than Texas on a neutral field)

Using ESPN as a source for any form analysis is akin to getting political commentary for TMZ

OK, I'm good with that.

 

[TheDecker]

Uh okay, the record for ppg against ND was set in 1956. It held until dopey blew it up in 2014.

Yep and somehow in the last 5 years alabama managed to hold teams to 8 ppg in one season, 10 in another, 13, 18, 15....

Take a look at who is # 98 in this article.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ors-that-get-teams-off-the-field-the-fastest/

You're really struggling with this concept, aren't you.....

It doesn't matter how long ago a record was set, when the literal rules of the game have changed significant since that record was set
(in a fashion that directly impacts breaking that record)
It would be like complaining that we don't get as much production out of the run game as we did in 1910 and ignoring the invention of the forward pass since that timeframe

I'm not saying we haven't had issues with defense (we have, and I think Van Gorder is a poor fit in CFB, he much better as an NFL assistant) but your connotations that our defense has been down right terrible.............are just untrue

Our defense has underperformed relative to the available talent at it's disposal......but it's only a couple steps away from where it should be

And for someone blaming Brian Kelly.............you're managing to ignore hte defenses 2011, 2012, and 2013 in addition to ignoring the offensive production from 2015

Simply moronic

 

[cgvr]

You're really struggling with this concept, aren't you.....

It doesn't matter how long ago a record was set, when the literal rules of the game have changed significant since that record was set
(in a fashion that directly impacts breaking that record)
It would be like complaining that we don't get as much production out of the run game as we did in 1910 and ignoring the invention of the forward pass since that timeframe

I'm not saying we haven't had issues with defense (we have, and I think Van Gorder is a poor fit in CFB, he much better as an NFL assistant) but your connotations that our defense has been down right terrible.............are just untrue

Our defense has underperformed relative to the available talent at it's disposal......but it's only a couple steps away from where it should be

And for someone blaming Brian Kelly.............you're managing to ignore hte defenses 2011, 2012, and 2013 in addition to ignoring the offensive production from 2015

Simply moronic

I'm not struggling with anything. The fact is that in 1956 ND set the single season mark for ppg against ineptitude.

kelly shattered that mark and he now owns the distinction of worst ppg against for a season in ND history.

I'm not ignoring a thing.

The '12 defense was exceptional/championship caliber. Then Manti was catfished and kelly was busy prepping for an NFL interview.... Awful distractions as 'bama had a staff of God knows how many folks doing analytics...

I've also posted our total D versus 'bama's in the past. Other than the '12 D there has been nothing to write home about. Here it is again.

Total D

2010 51 (5)
2011 30 (1)
2012 7 (1)
2013 31 (5)
2014 73 (12)
2015 45 (3)

PS What did you think of the article ranking bvg's D #98?
Last year we were #110 in Fumble Gain + Int Gain at 14.
Our D just lost key players and your thinking that we are "only a couple of steps away" is something I don't agree with. I hope you're right, but imo unless the d is "dumbed" down it'll be more of the same.

 

[TheDecker]

I'm not struggling with anything. The fact is that in 1956 ND set the single season mark for ppg against ineptitude.

kelly shattered that mark and he now owns the distinction of worst ppg against for a season in ND history.

I'm not ignoring a thing.

The '12 defense was exceptional/championship caliber. Then Manti was catfished and kelly was busy prepping for an NFL interview.... Awful distractions as 'bama had a staff of God knows how many folks doing analytics...

I've also posted our total D versus 'bama's in the past. Other than the '12 D there has been nothing to write home about. Here it is again.

Total D

2010 51 (5)
2011 30 (1)
2012 7 (1)
2013 31 (5)
2014 73 (12)
2015 45 (3)

PS What did you think of the article ranking bvg's D #98?
Last year we were #110 in Fumble Gain + Int Gain at 14.
Our D just lost key players and your thinking that we are "only a couple of steps away" is something I don't agree with. I hope you're right, but imo unless the d is "dumbed" down it'll be more of the same.

Yes, yes you are
The fact that a record was set is totally meaningless when the rules of the game have changed....making it so there is little to no historical precedent to compare the performances of today with

That concept has gone completely over your head......which I've seen happen to you a lot on here

And "Total Defense" is the stat that someone's wife would pull out in a discussion because she doesn't actually watch any of the games.

If you look at thje scoring defense in each of htose years:

2010 - 23rd
2011 - 24th
2012 - 2nd
2013 - 27th
2014 - 84th
2015 - 39th

So we've normally had a Top25 Defense under Kelly and have only ever had 1 defense that's outside the Top50 (meaning legit terrible). We've had as many championship caliber defenses under Kelly as we have had bad defenses.......with the majority of the years being more in the "Pretty goo but not Great" range

There are absolutely things we need to get A LOT better on with our defense (fewer blown assignments, more turnovers, better pass rush) and I agree that one of the keys to doing that is going to need to be a simplification of the defense.
I'm not Van Gorder's biggest fan, and I think he's trying to force a complicated NFL scheme into a CFB situation where it doesn't really fit

But the crap you've been opining on here just isn't accurate and Kelly has not been putting bad defenses on the field regularly for ND

 

[cgvr]

Yes, yes you are
The fact that a record was set is totally meaningless when the rules of the game have changed....making it so there is little to no historical precedent to compare the performances of today with

That concept has gone completely over your head......which I've seen happen to you a lot on here

And "Total Defense" is the stat that someone's wife would pull out in a discussion because she doesn't actually watch any of the games.

If you look at thje scoring defense in each of htose years:

2010 - 23rd
2011 - 24th
2012 - 2nd
2013 - 27th
2014 - 84th
2015 - 39th

So we've normally had a Top25 Defense under Kelly and have only ever had 1 defense that's outside the Top50 (meaning legit terrible). We've had as many championship caliber defenses under Kelly as we have had bad defenses.......with the majority of the years being more in the "Pretty goo but not Great" range

There are absolutely things we need to get A LOT better on with our defense (fewer blown assignments, more turnovers, better pass rush) and I agree that one of the keys to doing that is going to need to be a simplification of the defense.
I'm not Van Gorder's biggest fan, and I think he's trying to force a complicated NFL scheme into a CFB situation where it doesn't really fit

But the crap you've been opining on here just isn't accurate and Kelly has not been putting bad defenses on the field regularly for ND

The fact of the matter is that I have posted our scoring D and Red zone D here on multiple occasions. I don't ignore a thing:

Red Zone D

2010 44
2011 64
2012 8
2013 45
2014 72
2015 45

Scoring D Us vs 'bama
2010 23 3
2011 24 1
2012 2 1
2013 27 4
2014 84 6
2015 39 2

What do you think of folks touting:
• Only coach in school history to lead the Irish to at least eight victories over each of his first six seasons

Do you believe there should be an asterisk stating that he is the only ND coach to play 13 games in every season? Also, he was 7-5 twice heading into the 13th game.

Do you believe they should mention that ND has played 13 games 12 times and has not reached 10 wins in 6 of those seasons. kelly owns 4 of them.

How about?

• First coach to lead the Irish to bowl games during each of his first six seasons
• First coach to take Notre Dame to bowl games in six straight seasons at any stage in his career since Lou Holtz (1987-95)

Do you think folks should mention that ND went decades without attending bowl games as a policy?
Do you think making a bowl game in the modern era is a news worthy accomplishment?

The fact of the matter is that kelly's post season resume is so poor that folks scrounge to make it historic.

Do you take umbrage with these type stats or only absolute facts that shed kelly in negative light?

 

[Pennick4]

Why thank you. There are plenty of alumni and fans that can't stand/despise kelly. That's on him. He's a bullying, underachieving, disloyal, dishonest creep......

Plenty of Yankee fans couldn't stand Billy Martin and still pulled for the Yankees.
As a coach kelly has multiple Achilles heels. Special teams, red zone offense, inability to establish an identity on either side of the ball, can't add, can't get plays in,.......... He has hired some excellent assistants, but at the most critical of staff positions he has failed miserably. van gorder flat out stinks.... We recently set an ND record for ineptitude - most points per game against us in a season. That was followed by the 5th worst in school history. So, we have the 2 year worst totals ever and are working on the 3 worst years in school history. Nothing tells me it will improve.
kelly is a polarizing tool bag and he better pull it together.... Hopefully, he can evolve, but I doubt it. He's very very stupid.

Notre Dame, coach Brian Kelly agree to 6-year contract extension .

 

[NDAFArly]

So I'm curious to know who all the Kelly haters think we should replace him with?
Who is out there with a better resume who is interested?
He is the active leader in D1 wins. Has won at every level, including championships. Was 1 second away from taking Cincinnati to a title game. Took a garbage ND team to a title game.
Has been recruiting great talent while graduating players with no violations.
He has done more for ND football in the past 20 years (since Holtz left) than every other coach combined.
He leaves & ND is looking at 6-6 again.

 

[ndfi65]

So I'm curious to know who all the Kelly haters think we should replace him with?
Who is out there with a better resume who is interested?
He is the active leader in D1 wins. Has won at every level, including championships. Was 1 second away from taking Cincinnati to a title game. Took a garbage ND team to a title game.
Has been recruiting great talent while graduating players with no violations.
He has done more for ND football in the past 20 years (since Holtz left) than every other coach combined.
He leaves & ND is looking at 6-6 again.

Championships at grand valley st don't count. This is the big boy league. Yes he has recruited some nice talent, but whats he done with it? Mr. 8-5 thats what we usually get. Comparing him to Davies, Willingham and Charlie isn't saying much. I'm not a hater just don't think he is all you bk lovers crack him up to be.

 

[NDAFArly]

Championships at grand valley st don't count. This is the big boy league. Yes he has recruited some nice talent, but whats he done with it? Mr. 8-5 thats what we usually get. Comparing him to Davies, Willingham and Charlie isn't saying much. I'm not a hater just don't think he is all you bk lovers crack him up to be.

I'm not a BK lover at all. In fact I can't stand his red zone offense, his refusal to run the ball, his decision not to blow teams out & his choice of BVG as D coordinator.
As for Grand Valley State & Cincinnati the point is he has shown the ability to win at every level he has been at with limited talent.
With that being said, no one has given me a better option? Do you have a better option? Give me your top 5 available coaches interested in the job currently.

I can't stand any situation in life, sports or otherwise, where people just complain but have no other answers.