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ND will beat osu because ND will stop the run and ND will be able to run.

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Yes, simple football. Nothing fancy just good hard nosed football.

Michigan used this same strategy. When osu struggles it is because their run game was shut down.

Rush for over 150 and hold them to under 150 and ND wins.

Also make Howard beat us. He is not a super star. He has great WRs but against Michigan he looked bad and even against TX he was not great. Remember, they had a 75 yard screen play to the RB just before half time. Outside of that he only had 200 yards.

TX took Smith out of the game.
 
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Zorich 88 said:
Yes, simple football. Nothing fancy just good hard nosed football.

Michigan used this same strategy. When osu struggles it is because their run game was shut down.

Rush for over 150 and hold them to under 150 and ND wins.

Also make Howard beat us. He is not a super star. He has great WRs but against Michigan he looked bad and even against TX he was not great. Remember, they had a 75 yard screen play to the RB just before half time. Outside of that he only had 200 yards.

TX took Smith out of the game.
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Michigan didn't beat OSU that day, Ryan Day and Chip Kelly beat themselves trying to prove a point that they could run the ball up the middle against Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant! I don't see a Graham or Grant on the ND defense line, plus, Day learned his lesson and decided to use all of his toys and now you're seeing the finished product. Howard is not the same QB as the one that played against UM. I think this will be a good game sorta like the 2022 game at OSU with OSU winning by 10-14.
 
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albundy83 said:
Michigan didn't beat OSU that day, Ryan Day and Chip Kelly beat themselves trying to prove a point that they could run the ball up the middle against Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant! I don't see a Graham or Grant on the ND defense line, plus, Day learned his lesson and decided to use all of his toys and now you're seeing the finished product. Howard is not the same QB as the one that played against UM. I think this will be a good game sorta like the 2022 game at OSU with OSU winning by 10-14.
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Not sure what your talking about??? That's the head coach and OC of Ohio State correcyt? Michigan beat osu.
Are you a osu fan? Your post is so slanted.
1. The goal for Day was to beat michigan period. He could careless about proving he could run the ball. He had to beat michigan and he failed again.
2. Graham and Grant? Did TX borrow those guys? osu only rushed for what 80 yards?
3. Howard has now suddenly morphed into a "new QB"??? Your a funny guy. Against psu he was
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He had a better line vs psu.
4. Then your score prediction is crazy.
 
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You talk as if it's going to be very easy to do. You also talk like you expect the gameplan and flow of the game to be the exact same as the Michigan game. You shouldn't look at your opponents worst performances and other niche stats to make your opinion. Ohio State isn't going to prepare for ND the same way they did against Michigan, and ND doesn't even run close to the same defense as Michigan does so it's a moot point anyways. I wouldn't expect a reasonable OSU fan to look at tape of ND/NIU and pretend that's exactly how the game is going to go.
 
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BucksLAN said:
You talk as if it's going to be very easy to do. You also talk like you expect the gameplan and flow of the game to be the exact same as the Michigan game. You shouldn't look at your opponents worst performances and other niche stats to make your opinion. Ohio State isn't going to prepare for ND the same way they did against Michigan, and ND doesn't even run close to the same defense as Michigan does so it's a moot point anyways. I wouldn't expect a reasonable OSU fan to look at tape of ND/NIU and pretend that's exactly how the game is going to go.
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We can make any opinion we want. Should we have opinions where the careful conclusion we can only reasonably arrive at is that we're going to lose, we have to lose before we even play the game? F that. That's why I say we're going to pic six our way to victory. ND has proven that when their back's against the wall they'll play complementary football as they say, and our defense will totally come through to carry the day.

The takeaway is why the F did you guys even lose to Michigan in the first place? Not whether ND and Michigan's respective rosters and tactics are similar enough to warrant a comparison. The takeaway is that you guys F up and lose to an opponent that supposedly you're better than. We both got real good defenses, that's similar enough for ND to figure they can pull off the same feat.
 
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savvyandsassier said:
We can make any opinion we want. Should we have opinions where the careful conclusion we can only reasonably arrive at is that we're going to lose, we have to lose before we even play the game? F that. That's why I say we're going to pic six our way to victory. ND's has proven that when their back's against the wall they'll play complementary football as they say, and our defense will totally come through to carry the day.

The takeaway is why the F did you guys even lose to Michigan in the first place? Not whether ND and Michigan's respective rosters and tactics are similar enough to warrant a comparison. The takeaway is that you guys F up and lose to an opponent that supposedly you're better than. We both got good real good defenses, that's similar enough for ND to figure they can pull off the same feat.
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OSU doesn't view ND the same way they view Michigan. The loss was inexcusable and it was on the coaches but it has no bearing on the game being played next monday. OP wants to act like OSU can't run the ball but doesn't mention the OSU D held Texas to 58 rushing yards on 29 attempts, and that's with a considerably more worrisome QB in Ewers throwing the football. I don't think OSU needs to give that same attention to Riley Leonard and the receivers so they could load up on the box even more this game. I also don't get his argument he's trying to make about taking away plays to make the game look closer than it really was... never understood that argument. Wasn't ND trailing Penn State in the 4th quarter and needed a god awful Drew Allar INT to kick a FG and win?? I would say ND is the much luckier team to be here.
 
Zorich 88 said:
Not sure what your talking about??? That's the head coach and OC of Ohio State correcyt? Michigan beat osu.
Are you a osu fan? Your post is so slanted.
1. The goal for Day was to beat michigan period. He could careless about proving he could run the ball. He had to beat michigan and he failed again.
2. Graham and Grant? Did TX borrow those guys? osu only rushed for what 80 yards?
3. Howard has now suddenly morphed into a "new QB"??? Your a funny guy. Against psu he was
16/241827.62170.5
He had a better line vs psu.
4. Then your score prediction is crazy.
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1. Day wanted to prove his team was a "tough physical" team against Michigan and it cost him trying to go against their main strength.
2. OSU ran only 15 times for 78 yards a 5.2 average, I'll take that all day long. They threw the ball 33 times for just under 300 yards.
3. Howard has thrown for 311, 319 & 289 in the CPF with 6 Tds and 2 picks with a 74% completion rate, if you think he's the same QB as earlier in the season you're clueless.
4. I guess Riley is the same QB that lost to NIU?
 
savvyandsassier said:
We can make any opinion we want. Should we have opinions where the careful conclusion we can only reasonably arrive at is that we're going to lose, we have to lose before we even play the game? F that. That's why I say we're going to pic six our way to victory. ND has proven that when their back's against the wall they'll play complementary football as they say, and our defense will totally come through to carry the day.

The takeaway is why the F did you guys even lose to Michigan in the first place? Not whether ND and Michigan's respective rosters and tactics are similar enough to warrant a comparison. The takeaway is that you guys F up and lose to an opponent that supposedly you're better than. We both got real good defenses, that's similar enough for ND to figure they can pull off the same feat.
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The takeaway is why the F did you guys even lose to NIU in the first place?
 
albundy83 said:
1. Day wanted to prove his team was a "tough physical" team against Michigan and it cost him trying to go against their main strength.
2. OSU ran only 15 times for 78 yards a 5.2 average, I'll take that all day long. They threw the ball 33 times for just under 300 yards.
3. Howard has thrown for 311, 319 & 289 in the CPF with 6 Tds and 2 picks with a 74% completion rate, if you think he's the same QB as earlier in the season you're clueless.
4. I guess Riley is the same QB that lost to NIU?
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I get it, you are wearing osu glasses. So exchanging post with you will be a waste of time. Make sure you come back after the game on Monday. Or better yet, come back at halftime.
 
Zorich 88 said:
I get it, you are wearing osu glasses. So exchanging post with you will be a waste of time. Make sure you come back after the game on Monday. Or better yet, come back at halftime.
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And you don't have your dark blue glasses on? I just brought some stats that disprove your earlier posts, that's cool take your ball and go home!
 
BucksLAN said:
You talk as if it's going to be very easy to do. You also talk like you expect the gameplan and flow of the game to be the exact same as the Michigan game. You shouldn't look at your opponents worst performances and other niche stats to make your opinion. Ohio State isn't going to prepare for ND the same way they did against Michigan, and ND doesn't even run close to the same defense as Michigan does so it's a moot point anyways. I wouldn't expect a reasonable OSU fan to look at tape of ND/NIU and pretend that's exactly how the game is going to go.
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You are talking in circles. No one said it was going to be easy. I will look at how osu played michigan. Michigan exposed a lot of weaknesses.
 
BucksLAN said:
You talk as if it's going to be very easy to do. You also talk like you expect the gameplan and flow of the game to be the exact same as the Michigan game. You shouldn't look at your opponents worst performances and other niche stats to make your opinion. Ohio State isn't going to prepare for ND the same way they did against Michigan, and ND doesn't even run close to the same defense as Michigan does so it's a moot point anyways. I wouldn't expect a reasonable OSU fan to look at tape of ND/NIU and pretend that's exactly how the game is going to go.
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Absolutely no one has said this Ohio St. game will be easy.
 
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You are talking in circles. No one said it was going to be easy. I will look at how osu played michigan. Michigan exposed a lot of weaknesses.
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And you keep circling back to Michigan for some odd reason. Why don't you look at any of the other games Ohio State played? What about the common opponents? You know the Ohio State defense played much better against Indiana and Penn State than Notre Dame did. Apparently the only game you think matters is the one played on 11/30
 
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BucksLAN said:
You talk as if it's going to be very easy to do. You also talk like you expect the gameplan and flow of the game to be the exact same as the Michigan game. You shouldn't look at your opponents worst performances and other niche stats to make your opinion. Ohio State isn't going to prepare for ND the same way they did against Michigan, and ND doesn't even run close to the same defense as Michigan does so it's a moot point anyways. I wouldn't expect a reasonable OSU fan to look at tape of ND/NIU and pretend that's exactly how the game is going to go.
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Did Ohio State radically change the offense after the Michigan game?
 
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Did Ohio State radically change the offense after the Michigan game?
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They did. Against Michigan there was a lot of running on early downs into their stacked front that yielded no yards and it put them behind the sticks all day. In the playoffs they've really aired the ball out early in games to set up the run.
 
albundy83 said:
Michigan didn't beat OSU that day, Ryan Day and Chip Kelly beat themselves trying to prove a point that they could run the ball up the middle against Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant! U
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This 100%. Total dumb asses that day. Both DTs - Graham and Grant - are the strength - by far - of that Michigan team. Nobody runs against them
 
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The key to a ND win is our offensive line. RL's potential depends on that line....as does our run game. Leonard will do what he does....hopefully without throwing picks, getting sacked or fumbling. Our receivers are not top notch. They need the O line to give RL a chance to get the ball to them. I think the D will do all it can. But the O line has to step up and make a statement.
 
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You can look at both of OSU's losses as well as games that were close, PSU and Texas and see trends. Of course OSU is not going to plan for this game off of the NIU game, but you better believe that they are looking at what USC did, what PSU did in the first half, etc. Thats what you scheme for.

As for the OP.s opening statement... you are stating that the two things that ND did not do well against PSU will be what we do well in this game. Tall order. PSU stopped our running game in its tracks and also ran through our defense in the first half.

As I said in another thread. I view this game as ND holding on for dear life trying to keep pace with OSU, losing by 14 or so in the end. Hope i'm wrong.
 
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albundy83 said:
Michigan didn't beat OSU that day, Ryan Day and Chip Kelly beat themselves trying to prove a point that they could run the ball up the middle against Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant! I don't see a Graham or Grant on the ND defense line, plus, Day learned his lesson and decided to use all of his toys and now you're seeing the finished product. Howard is not the same QB as the one that played against UM. I think this will be a good game sorta like the 2022 game at OSU with OSU winning by 10-14.
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I HOPE YOU ARE WRONG, but that is as CONCISE and CLEAR-EYED an analysis of this game as I've seen -- and I've watched just about every YOUTUBE PREDICTIVE PODCAST. And BTW, some of those guys talk PURE DRIVEL.

If ND were at full strength -- and by that, I mean pre-Purdue -- I would think that ON PAPER the game would resemble more the 2023 OSU game. But given ND's depleted/dinged-up roster, I'm having an EXTREMELY HARD TIME imagining how ND can OUTMUSCLE OSU, i.e. succeed along the lines the OP argued -- prevent OSU from rushing for 150+ yards while exceeding that number itself. As I see it, the BODY ON BODY matchups DON'T GET ME THERE.

In which case, for ND to win -- as I see it -- will take SOME COMBINATION OF ND special teams play, creative play calling and avoidance of injuries, penalties and turnovers, while at the same time benefiting from OSU's MATERIALLY WORSE PERFORMANCE in each of those areas.

ND may be Mike Tyson, but OSU looks like Evander Holyfield or, worse, Lennox Lewis.
 
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You can't look at past games and be able to predict what will or will not happen with any consistency. You can only make an educated guess at best. Any of you watch the NFL? How often do we see a difference in the divisional matchups when they play each other twice? Often times, teams split the series and the "tone" of both games can be very different (high scoring, low scoring, etc.).
 
Shakin' Down the Thunder said:
You can't look at past games and be able to predict what will or will not happen with any consistency. You can only make an educated guess at best. Any of you watch the NFL? How often do we see a difference in the divisional matchups when they play each other twice? Often times, teams split the series and the "tone" of both games can be very different (high scoring, low scoring, etc.).
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What does the NFL have to do with CFB?

Answer. Nothing.
 
BucksLAN said:
And you keep circling back to Michigan for some odd reason. Why don't you look at any of the other games Ohio State played? What about the common opponents? You know the Ohio State defense played much better against Indiana and Penn State than Notre Dame did. Apparently the only game you think matters is the one played on 11/30
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You must've watched only the last two minutes of the ND/IU game. The Irish defense played extremely well against the Hoosiers until the game was not in doubt. The Buckeyes needed to fake their way with a last second meaningless TD against IU. Or at least the felt they had to.
 
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Plus Ryan Day has a history of messing up in big games. His GI Joe enormous doll head will freeze up when things get tight.
 
PHJIndy said:
You must've watched only the last two minutes of the ND/IU game. The Irish defense played extremely well against the Hoosiers until the game was not in doubt. The Buckeyes needed to fake their way with a last second meaningless TD against IU. Or at least the felt they had to.
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Well if you watched the game you would know why that score happened. The game should have been 31-7 but who cares, still dominated. The defense gave up like 150 yards that game on 2 drives and completely shut them down the rest of the way.
 
albundy83 said:
And you don't have your dark blue glasses on? I just brought some stats that disprove your earlier posts, that's cool take your ball and go home!
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No, I do not have ND glasses on. What stats?
albundy83 said:
1. Day wanted to prove his team was a "tough physical" team against Michigan and it cost him trying to go against their main strength.
2. OSU ran only 15 times for 78 yards a 5.2 average, I'll take that all day long. They threw the ball 33 times for just under 300 yards.
3. Howard has thrown for 311, 319 & 289 in the CPF with 6 Tds and 2 picks with a 74% completion rate, if you think he's the same QB as earlier in the season you're clueless.
4. I guess Riley is the same QB that lost to NIU?
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1. The only thing Day needed to prove was he could beat michigan. So I guess osu is not a tough physical team?
2. Who did osu average 5.5 yards a carry against? Because against TX they only averages 3.3
3. The guy is the same QB. You can talk yourself into whatever you want to. I hope and pray the game plan is built around this "new version of Howard".
4. The ND game plan is not built around Riley. I would take Riley over Howard any day. Including on Monday night.

osu fans will be calling for Day to be fired Monday night. I hope you are surrounded by people that love you on Monday night because it is going to be a long painful night for you and all osu fans.
 
savvyandsassier said:
I think we did it on purpose, to motivate ourselves. And it worked. Maybe that's what tOSU did too.

Should be a hell of a championship game then, yeah?
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I get what you're saying, but there's absolutely no way in the world Day would throw the Michigan game to motivate his troops. He just plan F-Upped with his game plan against UM!
 
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