NCAA Sack Leaders

[IrishInOntario]

We've had a lot of discussion about Notre Dame's recruiting. Some people are of the opinion that Notre Dame simply isn't recruiting well enough on defense, especially along the defensive line. I agree that Notre Dame certainly could recruit better up front, but I've also been adamant this has been more of an attrition situation than anything else. I've already pointed out that Notre Dame has recruited above several of the playoff teams the previous two years, so I thought I'd look at the star ratings and maturity of the top 20 NCAA sack leaders thus far in the 2016 campaign.

Do me a favour and watch for the trends... Hint... Most of them were developed players, ranked below 4 stars and most of them are now upper classmen who weren't as highly recruited, but who maxed out their their development.

*** Ejuan Price (Pitt): 9.0 sacks. Senior.
**** Demarcus Walker (FSU): 8.5 sacks. Senior.
**** Ifeadi Odenigbo (Northwestern): 8.0 sacks. Senior.
** Ryan Watson (Air Force): 8.0 sacks. Senior.
*** Jordan Willis (Kansas State): 8.0 sacks. Senior.
**** Arden Key (LSU): 8.0 sacks. Soph.
*** Harold Landry (Boston College): 8.0 sacks. Junior.
*** Koron Krump (Arizona State): 8.0 sacks. Junior.
Unranked Randy Allen (South Alabama): 7.5 sacks. Senior.
*** Duke Ejofor (Wake Forest): 7.5 sacks. Senior.
Unranked Haason Reddick (Temple): 7.5 sacks. Senior.
*** Dorance Armstrong (Kansas): 7.0 sacks. Soph.
**** Takkarist Mckinley (UCLA): 7.0 sacks. Senior.
*** Obo Okoronkwo (Oklahoma): 7.0 sacks. Senior.
*** T.J. Watt (Wisconsin): 7.0 sacks. Junior.
Unranked Tarell Basham (Ohio): 7.0 sacks. Senior.
*** Jimmie Gilbert (Colorado): 7.0 sacks. Senior.
***** Carl Lawson (Auburn): 6.5 sacks. Junior.
*** David Moa (Boise State): 6.5 sacks. Soph.
*** Jaylon Ferguson (Louisiana Tech): 6.5 sacks. Soph.

In total, there are 1 five star, 4 four starts, and 15 others ranked 3 stars or less. There are also 12 seniors, 4 junior and 4 sophomores.

Pass rushers take time to develop and you can't only shoot for 5 star players and bust, then leave yourself in a position where don't land the developmental rushers you need in the program as well.

Two examples... Former Notre Dame WDE Kolin Hill is second at Texas Tech in TFL's this year. Former Irish OLB, Nile Sykes, is now at Indiana this year, where he leading them in sacks. Both are considered juniors after sitting out a year, but both are playing their second years of eligibility. Where would Notre Dame be had those guys stuck around, not sat out last year and instead played and developed and were 3rd year pass-rushing juniors by now?

By all means, if you can load up on top end pass rushers, do it. But if I were Notre Dame, knowing what is available to me (us) in recruiting, I would take 2 developmental pass rushing ends / olb's each year and vet them out as kids that are willing to stick it out for 4-5 years. I'd then try to reel in that one big fish every year in the form of a highly rated edge rusher, who won't be scared off by the guys in the class ranked well below him... Stock the cupboard full of these guys, let a couple leave as they see their opportunity for playing time dwindling, but make sure you have 3-4 of them ready to play, with another couple developing at all times. This is a team that never goes into the season with 85 scholarship players. Instead of rewarding 2-3 scholarships to walk on players every year, take an extra defensive lineman (preferably an athlete with pass rushing skills), stash him awa and let him develop for a couple years, while waiting his turn.

Kolin Hill
Nile Sykes
Jhonathan Williams
Grant Blankenship
Bo Wallace

Those are just some of the names of guys that Brian Kelly and his staff tried to recruit as developmental players, unfortunately, the staff did a poor job on due diligence regarding their grades / character.

Recruiting isn't just about landing top classes. It's also about landing deep, balanced, classes. You also need kids that are truly going to value the degree and stick around even if they aren't playing right away, like Kapron-Lewis Moore did, like Trevor Laws did. Like Kona Schwenke did. Compliment a couple of those guys each year with a kid of Daelin Hayes' quality and you'll be fine. Hit a homerun and get a Stephon Tuitt and you're laughing.

 

[IrishBlessings]

We've had a lot of discussion about Notre Dame's recruiting. Some people are of the opinion that Notre Dame simply isn't recruiting well enough on defense, especially along the defensive line. I agree that Notre Dame certainly could recruit better up front, but I've also been adamant this has been more of an attrition situation than anything else. I've already pointed out that Notre Dame has recruited above several of the playoff teams the previous two years, so I thought I'd look at the star ratings and maturity of the top 20 NCAA sack leaders thus far in the 2016 campaign.

Do me a favour and watch for the trends... Hint... Most of them were developed players, ranked below 4 stars and most of them are now upper classmen who weren't as highly recruited, but who maxed out their their development.

*** Ejuan Price (Pitt): 9.0 sacks. Senior.
**** Demarcus Walker (FSU): 8.5 sacks. Senior.
**** Ifeadi Odenigbo (Northwestern): 8.0 sacks. Senior.
** Ryan Watson (Air Force): 8.0 sacks. Senior.
*** Jordan Willis (Kansas State): 8.0 sacks. Senior.
**** Arden Key (LSU): 8.0 sacks. Soph.
*** Harold Landry (Boston College): 8.0 sacks. Junior.
*** Koron Krump (Arizona State): 8.0 sacks. Junior.
Unranked Randy Allen (South Alabama): 7.5 sacks. Senior.
*** Duke Ejofor (Wake Forest): 7.5 sacks. Senior.
Unranked Haason Reddick (Temple): 7.5 sacks. Senior.
*** Dorance Armstrong (Kansas): 7.0 sacks. Soph.
**** Takkarist Mckinley (UCLA): 7.0 sacks. Senior.
*** Obo Okoronkwo (Oklahoma): 7.0 sacks. Senior.
*** T.J. Watt (Wisconsin): 7.0 sacks. Junior.
Unranked Tarell Basham (Ohio): 7.0 sacks. Senior.
*** Jimmie Gilbert (Colorado): 7.0 sacks. Senior.
***** Carl Lawson (Auburn): 6.5 sacks. Junior.
*** David Moa (Boise State): 6.5 sacks. Soph.
*** Jaylon Ferguson (Louisiana Tech): 6.5 sacks. Soph.

In total, there are 1 five star, 4 four starts, and 15 others ranked 3 stars or less. There are also 12 seniors, 4 junior and 4 sophomores.

Pass rushers take time to develop and you can't only shoot for 5 star players and bust, then leave yourself in a position where don't land the developmental rushers you need in the program as well.

Two examples... Former Notre Dame WDE Kolin Hill is second at Texas Tech in TFL's this year. Former Irish OLB, Nile Sykes, is now at Indiana this year, where he leading them in sacks. Both are considered juniors after sitting out a year, but both are playing their second years of eligibility. Where would Notre Dame be had those guys stuck around, not sat out last year and instead played and developed and were 3rd year pass-rushing juniors by now?

By all means, if you can load up on top end pass rushers, do it. But if I were Notre Dame, knowing what is available to me (us) in recruiting, I would take 2 developmental pass rushing ends / olb's each year and vet them out as kids that are willing to stick it out for 4-5 years. I'd then try to reel in that one big fish every year in the form of a highly rated edge rusher, who won't be scared off by the guys in the class ranked well below him... Stock the cupboard full of these guys, let a couple leave as they see their opportunity for playing time dwindling, but make sure you have 3-4 of them ready to play, with another couple developing at all times. This is a team that never goes into the season with 85 scholarship players. Instead of rewarding 2-3 scholarships to walk on players every year, take an extra defensive lineman (preferably an athlete with pass rushing skills), stash him awa and let him develop for a couple years, while waiting his turn.

Kolin Hill
Nile Sykes
Jhonathan Williams
Grant Blankenship
Bo Wallace

Those are just some of the names of guys that Brian Kelly and his staff tried to recruit as developmental players, unfortunately, the staff did a poor job on due diligence regarding their grades / character.

Recruiting isn't just about landing top classes. It's also about landing deep, balanced, classes. You also need kids that are truly going to value the degree and stick around even if they aren't playing right away, like Kapron-Lewis Moore did, like Trevor Laws did. Like Kona Schwenke did. Compliment a couple of those guys each year with a kid of Daelin Hayes' quality and you'll be fine. Hit a homerun and get a Stephon Tuitt and you're laughing.

Kollin Hil plays on one of the worst defenses in College Football history. T.Tech cant tackle and they cant stop anyone. Being the leader in TFL on the worst defense in college football tells me he is a pretty bad defensive player like his 10 other teammates.

K.Hill would not be helping ND this season - I'm sorry. I've watched
him play - he is just not very good.

 

[88ND]

But you are missing one key element.

A huge one.

Coaching.

Our players regress. this is not opinion but fact.

All of those wonderful habits they got from pee see up to and including high school go right out the window by their third year with us.

Outside of physically maturing..becoming men....every single player on our roster regresses.

Brian Kelly and staff literally are that terrible.

 

[cgvr]

We've had a lot of discussion about Notre Dame's recruiting. Some people are of the opinion that Notre Dame simply isn't recruiting well enough on defense, especially along the defensive line. I agree that Notre Dame certainly could recruit better up front, but I've also been adamant this has been more of an attrition situation than anything else. I've already pointed out that Notre Dame has recruited above several of the playoff teams the previous two years, so I thought I'd look at the star ratings and maturity of the top 20 NCAA sack leaders thus far in the 2016 campaign.

Do me a favour and watch for the trends... Hint... Most of them were developed players, ranked below 4 stars and most of them are now upper classmen who weren't as highly recruited, but who maxed out their their development.

*** Ejuan Price (Pitt): 9.0 sacks. Senior.
**** Demarcus Walker (FSU): 8.5 sacks. Senior.
**** Ifeadi Odenigbo (Northwestern): 8.0 sacks. Senior.
** Ryan Watson (Air Force): 8.0 sacks. Senior.
*** Jordan Willis (Kansas State): 8.0 sacks. Senior.
**** Arden Key (LSU): 8.0 sacks. Soph.
*** Harold Landry (Boston College): 8.0 sacks. Junior.
*** Koron Krump (Arizona State): 8.0 sacks. Junior.
Unranked Randy Allen (South Alabama): 7.5 sacks. Senior.
*** Duke Ejofor (Wake Forest): 7.5 sacks. Senior.
Unranked Haason Reddick (Temple): 7.5 sacks. Senior.
*** Dorance Armstrong (Kansas): 7.0 sacks. Soph.
**** Takkarist Mckinley (UCLA): 7.0 sacks. Senior.
*** Obo Okoronkwo (Oklahoma): 7.0 sacks. Senior.
*** T.J. Watt (Wisconsin): 7.0 sacks. Junior.
Unranked Tarell Basham (Ohio): 7.0 sacks. Senior.
*** Jimmie Gilbert (Colorado): 7.0 sacks. Senior.
***** Carl Lawson (Auburn): 6.5 sacks. Junior.
*** David Moa (Boise State): 6.5 sacks. Soph.
*** Jaylon Ferguson (Louisiana Tech): 6.5 sacks. Soph.

In total, there are 1 five star, 4 four starts, and 15 others ranked 3 stars or less. There are also 12 seniors, 4 junior and 4 sophomores.

Pass rushers take time to develop and you can't only shoot for 5 star players and bust, then leave yourself in a position where don't land the developmental rushers you need in the program as well.

Two examples... Former Notre Dame WDE Kolin Hill is second at Texas Tech in TFL's this year. Former Irish OLB, Nile Sykes, is now at Indiana this year, where he leading them in sacks. Both are considered juniors after sitting out a year, but both are playing their second years of eligibility. Where would Notre Dame be had those guys stuck around, not sat out last year and instead played and developed and were 3rd year pass-rushing juniors by now?

By all means, if you can load up on top end pass rushers, do it. But if I were Notre Dame, knowing what is available to me (us) in recruiting, I would take 2 developmental pass rushing ends / olb's each year and vet them out as kids that are willing to stick it out for 4-5 years. I'd then try to reel in that one big fish every year in the form of a highly rated edge rusher, who won't be scared off by the guys in the class ranked well below him... Stock the cupboard full of these guys, let a couple leave as they see their opportunity for playing time dwindling, but make sure you have 3-4 of them ready to play, with another couple developing at all times. This is a team that never goes into the season with 85 scholarship players. Instead of rewarding 2-3 scholarships to walk on players every year, take an extra defensive lineman (preferably an athlete with pass rushing skills), stash him awa and let him develop for a couple years, while waiting his turn.

Kolin Hill
Nile Sykes
Jhonathan Williams
Grant Blankenship
Bo Wallace

Those are just some of the names of guys that Brian Kelly and his staff tried to recruit as developmental players, unfortunately, the staff did a poor job on due diligence regarding their grades / character.

Recruiting isn't just about landing top classes. It's also about landing deep, balanced, classes. You also need kids that are truly going to value the degree and stick around even if they aren't playing right away, like Kapron-Lewis Moore did, like Trevor Laws did. Like Kona Schwenke did. Compliment a couple of those guys each year with a kid of Daelin Hayes' quality and you'll be fine. Hit a homerun and get a Stephon Tuitt and you're laughing.

What a pile of crap.....how dare you impugn these young men.
"unfortunately, the staff did a poor job on due diligence regarding their grades / character." What are you talking about? Would you care to qualify that remark?
NDs sack totals have been abysmal. The D for years rotated like kids playing musical chairs. The system that Porky deployed was an utter and complete failure. I applaud any player that leaves/left the dope for greener pastures.
PS It's nice how you mention the playoffs and then list a bunch of players that won't make the post season.

 

[Bodizephax]

What a pile of crap.....how dare you impugn these young men.
"unfortunately, the staff did a poor job on due diligence regarding their grades / character." What are you talking about? Would you care to qualify that remark?
NDs sack totals have been abysmal. The D for years rotated like kids playing musical chairs. The system that Porky deployed was an utter and complete failure. I applaud any player that leaves/left the dope for greener pastures.
PS It's nice how you mention the playoffs and then list a bunch of players that won't make the post season.

IIO calls Trump a racist but IIO has been called out as a racist before and insinuates that African American athletes as slow learners. IIO is a far left wing nut who hasn't ever lived around black people before. IIO is a POS who always put down America. I am getting tired of his political rantings--- He acts like he is a big time football coach but it is only Highschool and in Canada of all places.

 

[88ND]

IIO calls Trump a racist but IIO has been called out as a racist before and insinuates that African American athletes as slow learners. IIO is a far left wing nut who hasn't ever lived around black people before. IIO is a POS who always put down America. I am getting tired of his political rantings--- He acts like he is a big time football coach but it is only Highschool and in Canada of all places.

Has he commented on the football team's power play yet?

 

[IrishInOntario]

What the the hell are you guys talking about? Do you guys have any clue about the players I listed and what I was talking about?

- Nile Sykes: ND tried to keep him, but he didn't "fit" in South Bend, and promptly transferred to IU, where he is enjoying a nice season with 3 sacks. The ND staff knew little of Sykes, who jumped on their radar late in the class. That's on the staff for their lack of vetting Sykes out and understanding if he was actually a good fit for Notre Dame. It cost them a future past rusher in the process.

Tell me how I've ever been racist towards Nile Sykes? Bodi, please find me a single post in which I've ever said a single deragatory thing about the kid?

- Kolin Hill: Transferred back to Texas to be closer to his girlfriend, who had a baby. As a dad, you can't blame the kid for that. He was stepping up in many ways. From Notre Dame's perspective, they did a poor job of seeing what a lot of people did. The kid took a late visit to Texas and had concerns about heading all the way to South Bend. Eventually he did, and registered multiple sacks and QB hurries as a freshman, before "inevitably" returning home to the situation he almost never left, leaving the Irish hanging... With the dozens of pass rushers out there, why did the staff not target a kid less conflicted about leaving Texas, with a baby on the way? Again, on the staff for not vetting him out.

Bodi, find me the statement I've made that is in any way racist towards Kolin Hill? Just one thing about the color of his skin and how that relates to his character?

Jhonathan Williams: Never going to talk about this situation. Not about to throw a kid under the bus regarding character on a public forum, on an issue that isn't widely known to the public. Character was an issue here (especially when considering ND's standards). That's all I'love say.

Grant Blankenship: This kid came out of Texas with warnings about his attitude and character. That never changed in South Bend, as we constantly in the doghouse with the staff from the time he got to Notre Dame, until the day he left. Again, there were red flags, the staff chose to gamble and proceed in his recruitment and they got burned down the line.

Find me the racist comments I've made about Grant during his time in South Bend. Or does he not fit into your agenda because he's a white kid?

Bo Wallace: Grades issues from the beginning. The staff was hoping he'd overcome them and he didn't. Kid ended up at Arizona State at the 11th hour. I noted "character / grade" issues... This was a grades issue. Very similar to what happened with Prentice Mckinney at the end of the process.

Find me a single post in which I slandered Bo. I was always critical of the staff for knowingly gambling on a kid with borderline gades, when the program was in such need of future pass rushers.

Guys, this is on the staff. They need to select developmental players that are going to stick it out.not kids with baggage. Not kids with character red flags. And not borderline students... If you're recruiting a 5 star kid, I can understand the gamble because you're looking for the early impact, but when recruiting the kids that you need in the program for 4-5 years, you have to really do your due diligence on the kids that are the right fit.

How dare you accuse me of being racisit. I'll take 85 Manti Teo's. 85 Theo Riddick's, Kapron Lewis-Moore's, Tyler Eifert's, Harison Smith's, Ronnie Stanley's, Zack Martin's,Sheldon Day's, Matthias Farley's etc, etc... The list of great ND kids is nearly endless. They come from all backgrounds, star ratings and ethnicities. I want tough, high character, mentally strong kids.

Bodi, saying that I've never lived around black people is literally the pinnacle of ignorance.... It's well know fact by many people on this board that I've lived in The U.S. but also in both Toronto and Ottawa here Canada. Maybe you've never been, but you are talking about two extremely culturally diverse cities, huge populations of black people. They also happen to routinely rank among the best cities in the world to live in.

Furthermore, I spent several years as the recruiting coordinator at the University of Ottawa, a large, multi cultural university, located adjacent to downtown Ottawa. Do me a favour and Google their football program and take a look at the skin colour the players on the roster. I personally recruited half of that team over a 3 year period. Many of them great kids, from all ethnicities and backgrounds. Christians, Muslims, Agnostics and Hindus.

Suggesting for a second that somebody who lives in a Canadian city with more than 1 million people, has never lived around black people, just shows your utter lack understanding of what happens in this world outside of the bubble you live in... To add that I'm a "POS" on top of it should be something I'm offended by, but given the previous statement I addressed, I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

There are no black people in Ottawa or Toronto. What a ****ing joke.

 

[cgvr]

IIO calls Trump a racist but IIO has been called out as a racist before and insinuates that African American athletes as slow learners. IIO is a far left wing nut who hasn't ever lived around black people before. IIO is a POS who always put down America. I am getting tired of his political rantings--- He acts like he is a big time football coach but it is only Highschool and in Canada of all places.

Yep, he's one of those look down your nose Canadian pseudo intellects. I swear if he sat next to me on a plane I'd jump.

I've known a ton of Canadians throughout the years and most if not all were great guys.

OT One night at Greschner's bar in Manhattan Ty Domi was there and he bumped into me. I turned and said, "Hey, you're Ty Domi." He said, "Yeah, would you like an autograph?" I said, "No." I thought he was going to have a cow he was laughing so hard.... We had a few brews. His head was like a bowling ball. I was with Knuckles Nystrom on LI years ago and we tipped a shot of Tequilla for Spinner Spencer.... Lots of Rangers were members at the GC I caddied at in my youth. Unreal people...just great....

 

[greengael]

What the the hell are you guys talking about? Do you guys have any clue about the players I listed and what I was talking about?

- Nile Sykes: ND tried to keep him, but he didn't "fit" in South Bend, and promptly transferred to IU, where he is enjoying a nice season with 3 sacks. The ND staff knew little of Sykes, who jumped on their radar late in the class. That's on the staff for their lack of vetting Sykes out and understanding if he was actually a good fit for Notre Dame. It cost them a future past rusher in the process.

Tell me how I've ever been racist towards Nile Sykes? Bodi, please find me a single post in which I've ever said a single deragatory thing about the kid?

- Kolin Hill: Transferred back to Texas to be closer to his girlfriend, who had a baby. As a dad, you can't blame the kid for that. He was stepping up in many ways. From Notre Dame's perspective, they did a poor job of seeing what a lot of people did. The kid took a late visit to Texas and had concerns about heading all the way to South Bend. Eventually he did, and registered multiple sacks and QB hurries as a freshman, before "inevitably" returning home to the situation he almost never left, leaving the Irish hanging... With the dozens of pass rushers out there, why did the staff not target a kid less conflicted about leaving Texas, with a baby on the way? Again, on the staff for not vetting him out.

Bodi, find me the statement I've made that is in any way racist towards Kolin Hill? Just one thing about the color of his skin and how that relates to his character?

Jhonathan Williams: Never going to talk about this situation. Not about to throw a kid under the bus regarding character on a public forum, on an issue that isn't widely known to the public. Character was an issue here (especially when considering ND's standards). That's all I'love say.

Grant Blankenship: This kid came out of Texas with warnings about his attitude and character. That never changed in South Bend, as we constantly in the doghouse with the staff from the time he got to Notre Dame, until the day he left. Again, there were red flags, the staff chose to gamble and proceed in his recruitment and they got burned down the line.

Find me the racist comments I've made about Grant during his time in South Bend. Or does he not fit into your agenda because he's a white kid?

Bo Wallace: Grades issues from the beginning. The staff was hoping he'd overcome them and he didn't. Kid ended up at Arizona State at the 11th hour. I noted "character / grade" issues... This was a grades issue. Very similar to what happened with Prentice Mckinney at the end of the process.

Find me a single post in which I slandered Bo. I was always critical of the staff for knowingly gambling on a kid with borderline gades, when the program was in such need of future pass rushers.

Guys, this is on the staff. They need to select developmental players that are going to stick it out.not kids with baggage. Not kids with character red flags. And not borderline students... If you're recruiting a 5 star kid, I can understand the gamble because you're looking for the early impact, but when recruiting the kids that you need in the program for 4-5 years, you have to really do your due diligence on the kids that are the right fit.

How dare you accuse me of being racisit. I'll take 85 Manti Teo's. 85 Theo Riddick's, Kapron Lewis-Moore's, Tyler Eifert's, Harison Smith's, Ronnie Stanley's, Zack Martin's,Sheldon Day's, Matthias Farley's etc, etc... The list of great ND kids is nearly endless. They come from all backgrounds, star ratings and ethnicities. I want tough, high character, mentally strong kids.

Bodi, saying that I've never lived around black people is literally the pinnacle of ignorance.... It's well know fact by many people on this board that I've lived in The U.S. but also in both Toronto and Ottawa here Canada. Maybe you've never been, but you are talking about two extremely culturally diverse cities, huge populations of black people. They also happen to routinely rank among the best cities in the world to live in.

Furthermore, I spent several years as the recruiting coordinator at the University of Ottawa, a large, multi cultural university, located adjacent to downtown Ottawa. Do me a favour and Google their football program and take a look at the skin colour the players on the roster. I personally recruited half of that team over a 3 year period. Many of them great kids, from all ethnicities and backgrounds. Christians, Muslims, Agnostics and Hindus.

Suggesting for a second that somebody who lives in a Canadian city with more than 1 million people, has never lived around black people, just shows your utter lack understanding of what happens in this world outside of the bubble you live in... To add that I'm a "POS" on top of it should be something I'm offended by, but given the previous statement I addressed, I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

There are no black people in Ottawa or Toronto. What a ****ing joke.

IIO You know that may have been somewhat true in '67 when I moved there. Most black people were associated with Embassies from Africa. I recall one black football player in Ottawa city High School football in the sixties same one guy with Track and Field, a good friend and University team mate of mine.[R.I.P] At your Alma Mater in the early seventies I played with four black players who saw the field beyond training camp and three were from Buffalo. Things have definitely changed over the last fifty years though![smile] I was there three weeks ago and a it is very diverse Roster and City.

 

[cgvr]

What the the hell are you guys talking about? Do you guys have any clue about the players I listed and what I was talking about?

- Nile Sykes: ND tried to keep him, but he didn't "fit" in South Bend, and promptly transferred to IU, where he is enjoying a nice season with 3 sacks. The ND staff knew little of Sykes, who jumped on their radar late in the class. That's on the staff for their lack of vetting Sykes out and understanding if he was actually a good fit for Notre Dame. It cost them a future past rusher in the process.

Tell me how I've ever been racist towards Nile Sykes? Bodi, please find me a single post in which I've ever said a single deragatory thing about the kid?

- Kolin Hill: Transferred back to Texas to be closer to his girlfriend, who had a baby. As a dad, you can't blame the kid for that. He was stepping up in many ways. From Notre Dame's perspective, they did a poor job of seeing what a lot of people did. The kid took a late visit to Texas and had concerns about heading all the way to South Bend. Eventually he did, and registered multiple sacks and QB hurries as a freshman, before "inevitably" returning home to the situation he almost never left, leaving the Irish hanging... With the dozens of pass rushers out there, why did the staff not target a kid less conflicted about leaving Texas, with a baby on the way? Again, on the staff for not vetting him out.

Bodi, find me the statement I've made that is in any way racist towards Kolin Hill? Just one thing about the color of his skin and how that relates to his character?

Jhonathan Williams: Never going to talk about this situation. Not about to throw a kid under the bus regarding character on a public forum, on an issue that isn't widely known to the public. Character was an issue here (especially when considering ND's standards). That's all I'love say.

Grant Blankenship: This kid came out of Texas with warnings about his attitude and character. That never changed in South Bend, as we constantly in the doghouse with the staff from the time he got to Notre Dame, until the day he left. Again, there were red flags, the staff chose to gamble and proceed in his recruitment and they got burned down the line.

Find me the racist comments I've made about Grant during his time in South Bend. Or does he not fit into your agenda because he's a white kid?

Bo Wallace: Grades issues from the beginning. The staff was hoping he'd overcome them and he didn't. Kid ended up at Arizona State at the 11th hour. I noted "character / grade" issues... This was a grades issue. Very similar to what happened with Prentice Mckinney at the end of the process.

Find me a single post in which I slandered Bo. I was always critical of the staff for knowingly gambling on a kid with borderline gades, when the program was in such need of future pass rushers.

Guys, this is on the staff. They need to select developmental players that are going to stick it out.not kids with baggage. Not kids with character red flags. And not borderline students... If you're recruiting a 5 star kid, I can understand the gamble because you're looking for the early impact, but when recruiting the kids that you need in the program for 4-5 years, you have to really do your due diligence on the kids that are the right fit.

How dare you accuse me of being racisit. I'll take 85 Manti Teo's. 85 Theo Riddick's, Kapron Lewis-Moore's, Tyler Eifert's, Harison Smith's, Ronnie Stanley's, Zack Martin's,Sheldon Day's, Matthias Farley's etc, etc... The list of great ND kids is nearly endless. They come from all backgrounds, star ratings and ethnicities. I want tough, high character, mentally strong kids.

Bodi, saying that I've never lived around black people is literally the pinnacle of ignorance.... It's well know fact by many people on this board that I've lived in The U.S. but also in both Toronto and Ottawa here Canada. Maybe you've never been, but you are talking about two extremely culturally diverse cities, huge populations of black people. They also happen to routinely rank among the best cities in the world to live in.

Furthermore, I spent several years as the recruiting coordinator at the University of Ottawa, a large, multi cultural university, located adjacent to downtown Ottawa. Do me a favour and Google their football program and take a look at the skin colour the players on the roster. I personally recruited half of that team over a 3 year period. Many of them great kids, from all ethnicities and backgrounds. Christians, Muslims, Agnostics and Hindus.

Suggesting for a second that somebody who lives in a Canadian city with more than 1 million people, has never lived around black people, just shows your utter lack understanding of what happens in this world outside of the bubble you live in... To add that I'm a "POS" on top of it should be something I'm offended by, but given the previous statement I addressed, I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

There are no black people in Ottawa or Toronto. What a ****ing joke.

The following remark is abhorrent.

"unfortunately, the staff did a poor job on due diligence regarding their grades / character."

Your follow up filled with innuendo is worse.

"Do me a favour and watch for the trends... Hint... Most of them were developed players, ranked below 4 stars and most of them are now upper classmen who weren't as highly recruited,...."

You took a current mid season snapshot and called it a trend. You also mentioned playoffs of which no one on your list will sniff.

Please never discuss anything related to Canadian football again until they abandon the "rouge point".

Porky stinks.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Yep, he's one of those look down your nose Canadian pseudo intellects. I swear if he sat next to me on a plane I'd jump.

I've known a ton of Canadians throughout the years and most if not all were great guys.

OT One night at Greschner's bar in Manhattan Ty Domi was there and he bumped into me. I turned and said, "Hey, you're Ty Domi." He said, "Yeah, would you like an autograph?" I said, "No." I thought he was going to have a cow he was laughing so hard.... We had a few brews. His head was like a bowling ball. I was with Knuckles Nystrom on LI years ago and we tipped a shot of Tequilla for Spinner Spencer.... Lots of Rangers were members at the GC I caddied at in my youth. Unreal people...just great....

I didn't know "Canadian pseudo intellect" was a category. I guess it would be though, right? Like just about any other category... But hey, if that's where you think I fit, cool. I won't get into where I think you fit.

As for jumping out of a plane... Parachute or no? Just curious.

 

[cgvr]

I didn't know "Canadian pseudo intellect" was a category. I guess it would be though, right? Like just about any other category... But hey, if that's where you think I fit, cool. I won't get into where I think you fit.

As for jumping out of a plane... Parachute or no? Just curious.

No parachute.... Just some American NYC humor.... I did sit next to a Canadian a few years back. He was showing me pictures of his paragliding/base jumping crew (about 12-15 people). Holy sh** there were some great looking girls. He told me I should join them for a venture and I told him my "Point Break" days were over.... One thing I will say, I never met a Canadian that wasn't down to earth and super inquisitive.
Keep smiling.

 

[Java65]

How the hell is any of that racist? First of all, Blankenship is white. Secondly, most of our DL/LB recruits are black so just pure math will tell you that most of your examples will be black. Third, he's correct that, for whatever reason, Kelly has had huge issues with players transferring.

Honestly, I don't care why they didn't make it, I care about results. If 1 or 2 kids get kicked out or transfer that's expected but ND has a LOT of kids the last several years transfer or get suspended, far more than normal. When that happens you have to point to a breakdown somewhere.

 

[IrishInOntario]

The following remark is abhorrent.

"unfortunately, the staff did a poor job on due diligence regarding their grades / character."

Your follow up filled with innuendo is worse.

"Do me a favour and watch for the trends... Hint... Most of them were developed players, ranked below 4 stars and most of them are now upper classmen who weren't as highly recruited,...."

You took a current mid season snapshot and called it a trend. You also mentioned playoffs of which no one on your list will sniff.

Please never discuss anything related to Canadian football again until they abandon the "rouge point".

Porky stinks.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you off your meds?

Did the staff do a poor job regarding Bo Wallace and his grades, or not? They knew he was in tough and pursued him without a backup plan?.. is that not an issue of due dilligence?

Did the staff do a good job of evaluating Grant Blakenship's attitude or not? He had red flags dating all the way back to high school, yet they recruited him anyways and go figure, those problems continued in South Bend... Is that not an issue of due diligence and poor decision by the staff?

Did the staff do a good job in vetting out Kolin Hill, a kid who did not want to leave Texas, had a baby on the way at home and even took a late visit to Texas and nearly flipped. Did the staff not fail in targeting a much needed pass rusher who had one foot out the door from the day he signed?

I won't discuss Jhonathan Williams. Not an "ND" kid and there is a story to that. You can believe me, or not, but it is what it is.

My man.... My statement places the blame on Kelly and his staff for badly recruiting a position, not because they chose poor prospects, but because they recruited kids that weren't good longterm fits at ND for a variety of reasons. That statement is not abhorrent. It's factual.

As for my mid season snapshot, would you care for me to go back 5 years and show you that the majority of the sack leaders from across the country were developed kids, ranked 3 stars or lower and that the trend was that they were upper classmen who had developed at their respective school? How many years info would you like me to provide you before it's no longer a snapshot in your mind?

 

[IrishInOntario]

No parachute.... Just some American NYC humor.... I did sit next to a Canadian a few years back. He was showing me pictures of his paragliding/base jumping crew (about 12-15 people). Holy sh** there were some great looking girls. He told me I should join them for a venture and I told him my "Point Break" days were over.... One thing I will say, I never met a Canadian that wasn't down to earth and super inquisitive.
Keep smiling.

You haven't met a Canadian that wasn't down to earth? Glad that's been your experience. I've met many, many who weren't. We're asshole too.

Ask Bodi... I'm a racist piece of shit who is always tearing down America,

 

[Java65]

You haven't met a Canadian that wasn't down to earth? Glad that's been your experience. I've met many, many who weren't. We're asshole too, eh.

Ask Bodi... I'm a racist piece of shit who is always tearing down America,

fixed it for ya.

 

[IrishInOntario]

How the hell is any of that racist? First of all, Blankenship is white. Secondly, most of our DL/LB recruits are black so just pure math will tell you that most of your examples will be black. Third, he's correct that, for whatever reason, Kelly has had huge issues with players transferring.

Honestly, I don't care why they didn't make it, I care about results. If 1 or 2 kids get kicked out or transfer that's expected but ND has a LOT of kids the last several years transfer or get suspended, far more than normal. When that happens you have to point to a breakdown somewhere.

Thank you. You can't have 90% of the safeties and WDE's bail from your program and expect to play good coverage and have good pass rushers. You can't develop kids over night as 18 and 19 year olds, and expect them to hang with 22 year olds... Unless of course, you have a team full of 5 stars, which ND hasn't had in several decades.

I'love say it again. That is on Brian Kelly and his staff. It's their fault. THEIR Fault. The fault of the staff. The responsibility of the head coach and his assistants. How else do I need to say it for people to stop spinning it in a way that they think I'm blaming the kids.

Brian Kelly has not failed to recruit talent to South Bend in a manner that should have ND competitive for the playoffs most years. His staff hasn't even failed to develop a lot of top end talent. They had more draft picks in last year's NFL draft than any team other Than Ohio State.

Their failure has been in their ability to secure and develop depth in the program, so that you can survive a season in which you have mass exodus of talent to the NFL, then lose key veterans to injury and criminal issues, 2 weeks before the season.

 

[IrishInOntario]

fixed it for ya.

Assholes*. And touche monsieur. Ces't vrai.

 

[end_23]

What the the hell are you guys talking about? Do you guys have any clue about the players I listed and what I was talking about?

- Nile Sykes: ND tried to keep him, but he didn't "fit" in South Bend, and promptly transferred to IU, where he is enjoying a nice season with 3 sacks. The ND staff knew little of Sykes, who jumped on their radar late in the class. That's on the staff for their lack of vetting Sykes out and understanding if he was actually a good fit for Notre Dame. It cost them a future past rusher in the process.

Tell me how I've ever been racist towards Nile Sykes? Bodi, please find me a single post in which I've ever said a single deragatory thing about the kid?

- Kolin Hill: Transferred back to Texas to be closer to his girlfriend, who had a baby. As a dad, you can't blame the kid for that. He was stepping up in many ways. From Notre Dame's perspective, they did a poor job of seeing what a lot of people did. The kid took a late visit to Texas and had concerns about heading all the way to South Bend. Eventually he did, and registered multiple sacks and QB hurries as a freshman, before "inevitably" returning home to the situation he almost never left, leaving the Irish hanging... With the dozens of pass rushers out there, why did the staff not target a kid less conflicted about leaving Texas, with a baby on the way? Again, on the staff for not vetting him out.

Bodi, find me the statement I've made that is in any way racist towards Kolin Hill? Just one thing about the color of his skin and how that relates to his character?

Jhonathan Williams: Never going to talk about this situation. Not about to throw a kid under the bus regarding character on a public forum, on an issue that isn't widely known to the public. Character was an issue here (especially when considering ND's standards). That's all I'love say.

Grant Blankenship: This kid came out of Texas with warnings about his attitude and character. That never changed in South Bend, as we constantly in the doghouse with the staff from the time he got to Notre Dame, until the day he left. Again, there were red flags, the staff chose to gamble and proceed in his recruitment and they got burned down the line.

Find me the racist comments I've made about Grant during his time in South Bend. Or does he not fit into your agenda because he's a white kid?

Bo Wallace: Grades issues from the beginning. The staff was hoping he'd overcome them and he didn't. Kid ended up at Arizona State at the 11th hour. I noted "character / grade" issues... This was a grades issue. Very similar to what happened with Prentice Mckinney at the end of the process.

Find me a single post in which I slandered Bo. I was always critical of the staff for knowingly gambling on a kid with borderline gades, when the program was in such need of future pass rushers.

Guys, this is on the staff. They need to select developmental players that are going to stick it out.not kids with baggage. Not kids with character red flags. And not borderline students... If you're recruiting a 5 star kid, I can understand the gamble because you're looking for the early impact, but when recruiting the kids that you need in the program for 4-5 years, you have to really do your due diligence on the kids that are the right fit.

How dare you accuse me of being racisit. I'll take 85 Manti Teo's. 85 Theo Riddick's, Kapron Lewis-Moore's, Tyler Eifert's, Harison Smith's, Ronnie Stanley's, Zack Martin's,Sheldon Day's, Matthias Farley's etc, etc... The list of great ND kids is nearly endless. They come from all backgrounds, star ratings and ethnicities. I want tough, high character, mentally strong kids.

Bodi, saying that I've never lived around black people is literally the pinnacle of ignorance.... It's well know fact by many people on this board that I've lived in The U.S. but also in both Toronto and Ottawa here Canada. Maybe you've never been, but you are talking about two extremely culturally diverse cities, huge populations of black people. They also happen to routinely rank among the best cities in the world to live in.

Furthermore, I spent several years as the recruiting coordinator at the University of Ottawa, a large, multi cultural university, located adjacent to downtown Ottawa. Do me a favour and Google their football program and take a look at the skin colour the players on the roster. I personally recruited half of that team over a 3 year period. Many of them great kids, from all ethnicities and backgrounds. Christians, Muslims, Agnostics and Hindus.

Suggesting for a second that somebody who lives in a Canadian city with more than 1 million people, has never lived around black people, just shows your utter lack understanding of what happens in this world outside of the bubble you live in... To add that I'm a "POS" on top of it should be something I'm offended by, but given the previous statement I addressed, I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

There are no black people in Ottawa or Toronto. What a ****ing joke.

You might be the biggest dbag on this board. You lack a sack.

 

[Java65]

Thank you. You can't have 90% of the safeties and WDE's bail from your program and expect to play good coverage and have good pass rushers. You can't develop kids over night as 18 and 19 year olds, and expect them to hang with 22 year olds... Unless of course, you have a team full of 5 stars, which ND hasn't had in several decades.

I'love say it again. That is on Brian Kelly and his staff. It's their fault. THEIR Fault. The fault of the staff. The responsibility of the head coach and his assistants. How else do I need to say it for people to stop spinning it in a way that they think I'm blaming the kids.

Brian Kelly has not failed to recruit talent to South Bend in a manner that should have ND competitive for the playoffs most years. His staff hasn't even failed to develop a lot of top end talent. They had more draft picks in last year's NFL draft than any team other Than Ohio State.

Their failure has been in their ability to secure and develop depth in the program, so that you can survive a season in which you have mass exodus of talent to the NFL, then lose key veterans to injury and criminal issues, 2 weeks before the season.

Yep, their failure in recruiting has been balance. They have no balance in recruiting. They'll sign 7 DB's one year then 1 the next. Then when 3 or 4 of the 7 transfer because of the log jam or whatever reason you have a giant hole over a 2 year period.

You also can't roll the dice on 3 of your DE prospects and hope that at least 2 of them make it. I'm all for taking a chance on a kid that may give you pause but you better have 1 or 2 guys signed as cover.

 

[end_23]

Assholes*. And touche monsieur. Ces't vrai.

I would love to see someone shove a hockey puck up your ### a$$.

 

[cgvr]

What the hell are you talking about? Are you off your meds?

Did the staff do a poor job regarding Bo Wallace and his grades, or not? They knew he was in tough and pursued him without a backup plan?.. is that not an issue of due dilligence?

Did the staff do a good job of evaluating Grant Blakenship's attitude or not? He had red flags dating all the way back to high school, yet they recruited him anyways and go figure, those problems continued in South Bend... Is that not an issue of due diligence and poor decision by the staff?

Did the staff do a good job in vetting out Kolin Hill, a kid who did not want to leave Texas, had a baby on the way at home and even took a late visit to Texas and nearly flipped. Did the staff not fail in targeting a much needed pass rusher who had one foot out the door from the day he signed?

I won't discuss Jhonathan Williams. Not an "ND" kid and there is a story to that. You can believe me, or not, but it is what it is.

My man.... My statement places the blame on Kelly and his staff for badly recruiting a position, not because they chose poor prospects, but because they recruited kids that weren't good longterm fits at ND for a variety of reasons. That statement is not abhorrent. It's factual.

As for my mid season snapshot, would you care for me to go back 5 years and show you that the majority of the sack leaders from across the country were developed kids, ranked 3 stars or lower and that the trend was that they were upper classmen who had developed at their respective school? How many years info would you like me to provide you before it's no longer a snapshot in your mind?

Well, you are making a case for a team who has a coach that is literally and figuratively "sackless". You are also "broad stroking" this position as a statistical "constant" across the board despite schematic/sos schedule differences for each school....among other things. Interestingly, outside of one fsu player there is no one listed that will sniff the playoffs...

You could put the best DE's in CFB/ND history in porky's recent scheme and they would not have succeeded. Look at LB Jaylon Smith's sack totals. How sad.... In a blitz happy scheme we got close to no production.

Suggesting that mature kids are more productive than green horns is stating the obvious.

PS Knowing what I know of our '73/'77 team I am sure they would have stuffed Mr Potato Head in a locker pre-practice. Yeah, Willie Fry and Ross Browner dropping into pass coverage would have gone over big. Luther Bradley would have lost his mind...

Please note these FR defenders from when we used to play football.... 2+ minutes of glory...

 

[cgvr]

I would love to see someone shove a hockey puck up your ### a$$.

Pennick is running around trying to figure out how to sign up....

 

[Irishjohn68]

IIO calls Trump a racist but IIO has been called out as a racist before and insinuates that African American athletes as slow learners. IIO is a far left wing nut who hasn't ever lived around black people before. IIO is a POS who always put down America. I am getting tired of his political rantings--- He acts like he is a big time football coach but it is only Highschool and in Canada of all places.

What is wrong with you?

 

[Irishjohn68]

I would love to see someone shove a hockey puck up your ### a$$.

You have got some real issues!

 

[IrishInOntario]

CGVR,

Something you may or may not find interesting.

Population of New York State: Roughly 20.0 million
Population of Ontario & Quebec: Roughly 21.0 million

I know you do not think that Canadians know anything about football, but did you know what there will be more NCAA FBS football signees coming from Ontario and Quebec in 2017, than from New York?

In 2017, there is 1 composite 4 star player from New York, Isaiah Wilson at Poly Prep.

The majority of the other 15 ranked kids will be heading to bottom feeders such as Syracuse, Boston Collge and Rutgers.

Meanwhile, Ontario and Quebec (same population) will produce more FBS prospects this year, several 4 star prospects, and kids that will end up being more highly coveted and going to bigger programs. When the list is finalized, I'll post it.

So it seems, the coaches here in Ontario and Quebec are doing as good or a better job of producing FBS football talent than the coaches in your state of New York... We know nothing, of course, but our kids are developing above a those in a good number of U.S. states. The facts say so.

 

[IrishInOntario]

You might be the biggest dbag on this board. You lack a sack.

Hahahahaha clown.

 

[Irishjohn68]

Oh don't give him any facts to back anything up.

 

[john0gaunt]

IIO, glad to read you're coming around. Kelly's archilles heel is his love of stars during recruiting and doing due diligence on some of his players. That blinds him to other factors to be considered in a player other than football and grades. That, and he isn't the "lovable old grampa" like Lou. The guy that players will return to play for and forego the NFL for one year. Just one example, he should never have put himself in the position of having the leader of his defense in the hands of a guy who would drive around town with a gun. Kelly should have had some idea who he was entrusting his defense to. That, and he needs guys willing to stay all 4 years.

As you say, he has 8 freshman starters on defense this year. That will not create a defensive that will dominate. It just isn't possible. And next year best case scenario he has 8 sophomores starting. Some teams next year will show up with 4 seniors and 4 5th year seniors and dominate him.

You mentioned that we might lose a 5* by making clear to the players they are expected to play all 4 years. But I say let them go. I'd rather have some 4* seniors and 5th year guys on this team. Especially on the defense. And it is 100% on Kelly he doesn't have them.

Whatever he needed to do, he didn't do it. And now he is stuck. If he doesn't show up against the team in LA, he's gone. Even if it means a placeholder coach.

Go Irish!

 

[cgvr]

CGVR,

Something you may or may not find interesting.

Population of New York State: Roughly 20.0 million
Population of Ontario & Quebec: Roughly 21.0 million

I know you do not think that Canadians know anything about football, but did you know what there will be more NCAA FBS football signees coming from Ontario and Quebec in 2017, than from New York?

In 2017, there is 1 composite 4 star player from New York, Isaiah Wilson at Poly Prep.

The majority of the other 15 ranked kids will be heading to bottom feeders such as Syracuse, Boston Collge and Rutgers.

Meanwhile, Ontario and Quebec (same population) will produce more FBS prospects this year, several 4 star prospects, and kids that will end up being more highly coveted and going to bigger programs. When the list is finalized, I'll post it.

So it seems, the coaches here in Ontario and Quebec are doing as good or a better job of producing FBS football talent than the coaches in your state of New York... We know nothing, of course, but our kids are developing above a those in a good number of U.S. states. The facts say so.

NY has always been a hoops state. Please provide a comparative list to below. You may use all of Canada....

http://www.databasefootball.com/players/player_bystate.htm?state=NY

 

[Java65]

NY has always been a hoops state. Please provide a comparative list to below. You may use all of Canada....

http://www.databasefootball.com/players/player_bystate.htm?state=NY

Some problems with that list. First its from the beginning of time. Who the hell cares what players they produced in 1920. Second, it's players born in NY not that played HS football in NY. I'll admit a large percentage probably did play HS ball there as well but I'd also be a fair portion did not.

 

[cgvr]

Some problems with that list. First its from the beginning of time. Who the hell cares what players they produced in 1920. Second, it's players born in NY not that played HS football in NY. I'll admit a large percentage probably did play HS ball there as well but I'd also be a fair portion did not.

I know exactly what it is....

It's a list of NFL players born in NY. I'd like to see a list of NFL players born in Canada. I even gave him the whole country.

Let me help you out....

NFL Players Born in Canada bwahahahahahaha Feel free to exclude Bronco Nagurski if you'd like....

Atogwe, Oshiomogho
Berger, Mitch
Brown, Doug
Ceppetelli, Gene
Christie, Steve
Federkeil, Daniel
Fryer, Brian
Gerela, Roy
Goltz, Rick
Hare, Cecil
Hare, Ray
Howell, Bill
Hughitt, Tommy
Ilesic, Hank
Kaczur, Nick
Kennedy, Allan
Kostiuk, Mike
Kuehn, Art
Ladouceur, L.P.
Mace, Corey
Mandarich, Tony
Mayes, Rueben
Mcleod, Russ
Montreuil, Mark
Nagurski, Bronko
O'rourke, Charlie
Palmer, Jesse
Peterson, Russ
Philion, Ed
Robertson, Harry
Romberg, Brett
Rypien, Mark
Santiago, O.J.
Schad, Mike
Schultz, Chris
Skinner, Frank
Sparenberg, Dave
Stewart, Wayne
Sturgeon, Cecil
Sturgeon, Lyle
Suisham, Shaun
Thelwell, Ryan
Tindale, Tim
Vanderjagt, Mike
Watt, Joe
Weinmeister, Arnie
Wickett, Lloyd
Williams, Tyrone
Wilmsmeyer, Klaus
Yeboah-kodie, Phil
Young, Glen
Young, Jim

PS It's rumored that this was their best HS prospect (Heisman hopeful) until he got injured....

 

[IrishInOntario]

And again, we deflect.

We're talking about college football and coaches in Canada preparing kids for NCAA football and you conviniently skirt the topic and are now talking about the NFL, crea ting a strawman argument.

Second, coaching in Canada has come a long, long way. I'm not comparing all time lists, I said THIS year. As in In this year, aND years heading forward... Do you not understand the concept of progress and how that has little bearing on what happened 5 years ago, ten years ago, etc, etc...

That would be like me creating a ridiculous argument that hockey coaches in the U.S. don't know anything but hockey, even know they are starting to produce some awesome, homegrown talent, that no longer has to flee to Canada at a young age to develop. They are maxing out their development in the U.S. now, although behind the curve, Canadian coaches are starting to do the same in football as the game has grown in our country and Canadians are coming back from the U.S. having coached and played there and are now importing what they learned and putting it into place up here.... The exact same thing hockey coaches in the U.S. did years ago when they came to Canada to play junior hockey, when it was the obvious better choice than the NCAA route... It takes time to create those results, we're now starting to see those results... As I stated, Ontario and Quebec will send more recruits to FBS programs in 2017 than New York will.

Your look into history, means nothing. It's not relevant to today. Just as I'm sure you'd argue that Brian Kelly's trip to the national title game in the 2012 season, after a 12-0 season, means nothing today, because it's irrelevant to the argument at hand. Stay on topic. We're talking about right now.

Also, I'm aware that New York is a basketball state, and a damn good one at that. History has proven that. But I'll go ahead and make a silly argument like the one you're making...

2016 NBA Draft 1st round picks.
Jamal Murray (Kitchener, Ontario): #7 overall pick.
Thon Maker (Orangeville, Ontario): #10 overall pick.

2015 NBA Draft 1st round picks.
Trey Lyles (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan ): #12 overall pick.
Chris McCullough (Bronx, New York): #29 overall pick.

2014 NBA Draft 1st round picks.
Andrew Wiggins (Toronto, Ontario): #1 overall pick.
Nick Stauskas (Mississauga, Ontario): #11 overall pick.
Tyler Ennis (Brampton, Ontario): #18 overall pick.
Kyle Anderson (New York, New York): #30 overall pick.

2013 NBA Draft 1st round picks
Anthony Bennett (Toronto, Ontario): #1 overall pick.
Kelly Olynyk (Toronto, Ontario): #12 overall pick.

2012 Andre Drummond (Mt. Vernon, New York): #9 overall pick.
Andrew Nicholson (Mississauga, Ontario): #18 overall pick.
Arnett Moultrie (Queens, New York): #27 overall pick.

Speaking of relevant time frames. Here are the last 5 first rounds of the NBA draft... You've had 4 New Yorkers drafted in the first round in 5 years, while there have been 9 Canadians, 8 from Ontario drafted in that same time frame.

Ontario has 13 million people. New York has 20 million people and is basketball state, where as Ontario is a hockey province...

Sports are about what is happening right now... Don't care what happened in the past other than for bragging rights. It's not indicative of the scene today... Fact is, like in football where Ontario coaches are doing a damn fine job of now sending football prospects to the NCAA, they are also doing a damn fine job of developing NBA basketball players (or at least helping in their development)... 20 million in New York. 13 million in Ontario. We're more than holding our own my man.

 

[IrishMike409]

What a pile of crap.....how dare you impugn these young men.
"unfortunately, the staff did a poor job on due diligence regarding their grades / character." What are you talking about? Would you care to qualify that remark?
NDs sack totals have been abysmal. The D for years rotated like kids playing musical chairs. The system that Porky deployed was an utter and complete failure. I applaud any player that leaves/left the dope for greener pastures.
PS It's nice how you mention the playoffs and then list a bunch of players that won't make the post season.

You're pathetic and you've become a board laughingstock. No one takes any of your posts seriously, and most people have you on ignore.

Nothing about your posts are reasonable or objective. Go away. Nothing you say here holds any weight.

 

[Walruzz]

Yep, he's one of those look down your nose Canadian pseudo intellects. I swear if he sat next to me on a plane I'd jump.
.

Where do I send the tickets?

 

[IrishInOntario]

IIO You know that may have been somewhat true in '67 when I moved there. Most black people were associated with Embassies from Africa. I recall one black football player in Ottawa city High School football in the sixties same one guy with Track and Field, a good friend and University team mate of mine.[R.I.P] At your Alma Mater in the early seventies I played with four black players who saw the field beyond training camp and three were from Buffalo. Things have definitely changed over the last fifty years though![smile] I was there three weeks ago and a it is very diverse Roster and City.

I wasn't around in '67 Gael, but I'm sure Ottawa was exactly as you describe it. Certainly not the case in 2016, however. As you noted, and as I witness on a daily basis, both Ottawa as a city and UOttawa as a football program are exceptionally diverse. Ottawa remains a great place to live as well.

The authorities are alarmed, however, because Ottawa is now facing it's 14th-15th homicides in 2016, in a city that was perennially in single digits a few years ago... Over 1 million people (when factoring in suburbs) and less than 20 annual homicides. I'll still take it.

 

[zonairish]

I wasn't around in '67 Gael, but I'm sure Ottawa was exactly as you describe it. Certainly not the case in 2016, however. As you noted, and as I witness on a daily basis, both Ottawa as a city and UOttawa as a football program are exceptionally diverse. Ottawa remains a great place to live as well.

The authorities are alarmed, however, because Ottawa is now facing it's 14th-15th homicides in 2016, in a city that was perennially in single digits a few years ago... Over 1 million people (when factoring in suburbs) and less than 20 annual homicides. I'll still take it.

IIO, I use to drive to Hull from Ottawa. Now Hull was a fun town. Ottawa not so much

 

[IrishInOntario]

IIO, I use to drive to Hull from Ottawa. Now Hull was a fun town. Ottawa not so much

Hull is still more fun! And much cheaper. Montreal is where it's really at though, an hour-and-a-half away.

Ottawa remains (obviously) a government city. Good, high paying jobs, in the public and private sectors. Two big Universities and two good sized colleges as well. Lots of students, military and feds... Not for everyone, but a safe, clean city to raise a family, with a high standard of living, lots of history and decent entertainment.

 

[Bodizephax]

I'm a racist piece of shit who is always tearing down America,

OK, We can agree. I should have replied on the other thread where you said Trump is a racist. Funny coming from you.
When he was talking about Mexicans he was talking about illegal aliens Mexicans that were into the cartels and criminal activity. He said some of those criminals were rapists which is true. I just get tired of your rants about how Americans are mostly fat and lazy. You can go to hell.

 

[IrishInOntario]

OK, We can agree. I should have replied on the other thread where you said Trump is a racist. Funny coming from you.
When he was talking about Mexicans he was talking about illegal aliens Mexicans that were into the cartels and criminal activity. He said some of those criminals were rapists which is true. I just get tired of your rants about how Americans are mostly fat and lazy. You can go to hell.

And I get tired of providing factual or empirical based answers, or trying to add depth of perspective to some people who have no desire to hear anything but what they want to hear... But I still try, because I like to learn and engage in PRODUCTIVE conversation.

Be tired of me all you want. People attack me all the time for being Canadian. I can't possibly know anything about football living on this side of the boarder... Even know I spent years in the U.S. associated with American football, closer than any average American. It is what it is buddy. The world isn't a nice place...

I also find it hilarious that I go from someone who largely agrees with Donald Trump's platform on a lot of things, and who would never conceivably vote for Hillary (if I had a vote) to a "racist piece of shit", because I tend think Donald has some prejudice values... That's a ridiculously far stretch.

I'm waiting for you to clarify how I'm a racist... I'll also wait for you to quote a post in which I called Americans fat and lazy. Never happened. I quoted your own CDC about an obesity epidemic in America once, talking about how the problem had reached a point in which they actually changed the categorization of what it meant to be obese because too many people were fitting (no pun intended) into the category.... Again, your CDC, not my opinion. Just stating a statistical fact, supported by a reputable source, as you would in any professional or educational environment.

Again... Never did and never would call Americans lazy. There are lazy people in every country. That's not an American thing.

You also suggested that I called black people "slow learners". You completely and fraudulently made that up.I explained every situation surrounding the players I noted in the other thread and none of them had a thing to do with race, intelligence, or capacity to learn and better yet, one of them was friggen white... I said ND needs some kids that will stick around and develop. I then pointed out Laws, Schwenke and Lewis-Moore as kids that did that and credited them for it. Nothing about race at all. I then listed Williams (not about to sell the kid out), Sykes (fit related transfer), Blankenship (a white kid with issues), Hill (who had one foot out the door at ND from day one) and Wallace (Grades) as examples in which THE STAFF took risks on players that all played the same position and got burned when they didn't workout... Is there anything at all racist abou that statement!? NO.

You look silly and you've been called out. Now you're being defensive because you don't have a pot to piss in, nor a leg to stand on in your personal attack of me, which was completely guided by contempt and emotion and has no factual basis what-so-ever... And all of this why? Because you misread or misunderstood my post? Or because I have a slightly different (left of you, but still very center-right) political view than you (it's comical that you refer to me as a radical leftist).

Regardless, I don't wish you a trip to hell, as there are few good people on this planet (and I'm sure you're one of them) that I would wish that for, but I'll gladly pack my sunglasses and my sunscreen, and send you a post card when I get there, assuring you of my misery, so you can rest easier and feel vindicated in your triumphant mischaracterization and blatant condemnation of somebody, based your own fabricated gibberish.

Sleep easy Bodi... You're a fool. But you got to make your point... Sort of???