NCAA denies Ishaq Williams appeal
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He wasn't suspended by the NCAA last year that was ND. What he did during the time he was away from the team, or rather what he didn't do is why he is not eligible with the NCAA this year.
But typically when the school Self punishes that would give them the benefit right like time served. Usually when a school self reports then punishes, I mean there's something missing here right? The ncaa wouldn't say "yea the year you gave him wasn't enough." I mean that dude at lsu forced a minor to give him a bj (he plead guilty) then got caught assaulting a guy for no reason on camera, and the guy missed one game and there was no ncaa punishment on top of the school. What gives here where the ncaa was like, yea that's not enough?
What's missing is the classes he didn't take last year to allow him to have enough credits to gain the waiver.
You are also looking at two totally different issues. NCAA doesn't punish players for criminal conduct they punish them for infractions of the NCAA rules for amature athletes. Ishaq failed to stay eligible by NCAA standards.
You are also looking at two totally different issues. NCAA doesn't punish players for criminal conduct they punish them for infractions of the NCAA rules for amature athletes. Ishaq failed to stay eligible by NCAA standards.
But nd was willing to reinstate and their standards aren't less then the ncaa right? He met ND requirements to be eligible which can't be less then the ncaa
I don't think. So the ncaa felt it that self reporting and a year wasn't enough.
I don't think. So the ncaa felt it that self reporting and a year wasn't enough.
Again different issues. He can be allowed back into ND under the student conduct rules but the NCAA'S eligibility requirements are affected by those rules. He lacked the needed number of credits to be eligible to play this year. He didn't take care of business like Kei did and the NCAA didn't grant him a waiver.
He wasn't just allowed back into ND, ND clearly ruled he was eligible to play otherwise there would have been no appeal? Or why even bother if by their standards he wasn't eligible to play football?
I have to be wrong because it otherwise makes no sense.
Sorry for being argumentative and semantic. My bad ill let it go.
I have to be wrong because it otherwise makes no sense.
Sorry for being argumentative and semantic. My bad ill let it go.
ND can't rule him eligible to come back. Obviously ND hoped he would get the waiver hence them working on it with him. ND committed to Ishaq and want to allow him the opportunity to graduate.
Not being eligible and getting suspended are two different notions. Thanks to those of you who pointed it out.
I admire that he worked his tail off to get back to ND. Even if he didn't meet the requirements to play sports, it is a noteworthy accomplishment.
I admire that he worked his tail off to get back to ND. Even if he didn't meet the requirements to play sports, it is a noteworthy accomplishment.
Nope, but not playing for ND this season does not mean IW can not play at the next level....does it hurt his chances....most likely.....
Graduating from ND.....100% improves his chances of success IMO.
Not clear to mw that he did work his tail off; isn't part of the reason his appeal was denied is because he did not work hard enough (any?) to progress in his academics. What classes did he take and where did he take them? What work did he do?
Whatever. Does anyone recall Matt Lienhart for SC playing a year taking dance classes to meet eligibility? How many institutions out there are keeping close academic tabs on their players, apart from ND, Stanford and school like that? People are whining about ND not playing a 13 game. I will care when there are consistent academic admissions and performance standards.
Two things bother me about this decision. First, I can't believe there isn't a mechanism that could help Williams become eligible. How many current players are there playing college football that have rap sheets? Yet they are eligible?! Second it bothers me that not one coach or even the athletic director will at least publicly back Williams. What did he do so bad that won't allow him to play? The process is completely ridiculous.
Are you really comparing a 5th Year Senior who has already earned his degree and is taking a limited course load to play his 5th year to someone who was suspended for Academic fraud? Matt Leinart was taking a dance class because he had already met his graduation requirements and wanted to play out his eligibility. What do you care what class he was taking as long as it was a real class offered to every student? That's not even in the same ballpark as a kid who was kicked out of school and then didnt do enough to earn back his eligibility.
Well those two issues are completely interrelated now aren't they. If ishaaq had the option to take a course like ballroom dance perhaps he would be less inclined to cheat in the first place. I'd have to go back and check but Leinert hadn't graduated yet- just had fulfilled his requirements (technicality I know). It's not like ballroom dance was a graduate level course.
You are totaling confusing school based punishment and NCAA rules violations punishment. They are separate things.
If you have less than 12 hours needed to graduate, you can take the number of hours needed and still be considered a full time eligible student by the NCAA. That was the position Lienart was in, along with having fulfilled his major requirements and needing only an elective course. Hence, ballroom dancing. It made a great laughable story, but the people who took it seriously simply didn't understand the situation.
I don't take it serious but one larger theme in all this is what lead to the academic no no, and why this doesn't happen at other places. To my knowledge ND doesn't offer dancing etc, meanwhile at auburn they can put an entire academic dept on the payroll of the athletic dept and the ncaa doesn't so much as bat an eye. There's some inconsistency across the land here. At the end of the day ishaaq will sleep in his own bed, should have done the work and should have made something of his time away like Russell.
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I guess I'll take your word for it but I'm pretty tuned in with a large extended family of graduates from many b1g and pac12 schools and the anecdotal evidence is hear from them is most big time schools keep their kids eligible via these trumped up majors. A small portion of these kids take academics seriously but what we've seen at auburn where the dept is literally paying teachers salary to keep kids on the field is more par for the course.
I certainly can't speak to the variety of the curriculum offered at Notre Dame, but I have to imagine they offer some kind of theater, theater arts, music, or dancing programs. Most schools have a music and/or theater department. People laugh at Leinart for taking a ballroom dancing class, but there are other students who build a whole education around those classes. So what are we really laughing at, that a football player is taking dancing?
I went to school at Brown, and I can assure you there was a long list of "gut" classes that everyone knew about if they wanted a breather in a class for a semester. And lets not forget, some people just have different interests. I took a Swedish class for a year just to experience something different, it was great. But it had nothing to do with my Major.
I took pottery as an elective in the old field house. One class was People's of Africa where the professor described his life in the jungle with different tribes. 2 10 page papers.... Marxism was another 2 10 page class. I blasted Marx and the communist system in my first paper.. It was a Ralphie masterpiece. I got a C. As I strolled from oshag to Dillon I had a eureka moment. The professor was a commie. The next paper I extolled the virtues of a pure communist system and got an A. We had self study classes. I took one and dropped it because after a few weeks I hadn't cracked a book. There was a TV film communications course where I learned that the "Towering Inferno" was flawed because the water would never travel down stair wells and go.floor to floor. Nor would fire go down as it would climb... Anyway, our curriculums for majors was strong, but there were lots of "cake" electives....... There were also lots of very challenging electives..... As you progressed towards senior year you had access to more electives as the major intensified.... At the time upper classmen went first in choosing electives. We'd go to Stepan center to retrieve computer cards that had the class and hour you wanted it. Our juniors and seniors at Dillon pulled extra cards for the Fr and So. It was a great system.....we never got skunked out of classes we wanted.....
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I read on other sites that he was unable to take classes at other schools because his family could not afford it. As a result, he didn't get to 80% of his credits at the end of year 4 -- which is a requirement to get a 5th year of eligibility from the NCAA. I cannot confirm this is true, but it is the most sensible explanation I have heard.
I took Russian Foreign Relations. Taught be some guy named Brinkley who, I come to find out, is a guy the State Department calls for advice on dealing with the Ruskies. There are 25 kids in the class, 24 GOVT majors and one accounting major, moi. The first day Brinkley tells me after class that I am the only non GOVT major in the class and I should consider dropping it and getting another elective. Of course idiotic me takes that as a challenge to my manhood and tries to stick it out. I never missed class and gave it my best shot. He gave me a "c", which was nice. There were some discussions in that class that everyone might as well have been speaking Russian, I had no clue what they were talking about.
Ouch! It sounds like you took advanced core curriculum class as an elective. Man that had to be tough. If it is any consolation I am guessing not many (if any) of the Gov't majors would have passed your advanced accounting classes. We had an industrialization class in finance that may as well have been taught in another language. Brutal class taught by a non/barely English speaking indian professor. So, a ridiculously difficult class that you couldn't understand the prof..... I hated it....
He could have taken a couple of classes and worked part time. He didn't keep in touch with the coaches as K. Martin did. He was a total disappointment but am glad he is getting his degree. Where there is a will, there is a way.
Any part time job would have to meet NCAA compliance too. Plus any classes you take have to help towards the ND degree, so they can't just be classes taken anywhere. He should've been more like KVR, and stayed in communication, but he was probably very embarrassed and confused. Kudos to him for showing back up and finishing his last year.
