Mayweather vs. Mcgregor

[NDIRISH53]

Way better than expected. Conor unbelievably won 4 rounds including the first 3, although Floyd was clearly getting Conor exhausted early. Some great action in this fight. Some key things I noticed
1. Floyd is amazing
2. Conor was not up to par in endurance
3. Conor has good head speed
4. Conor was either too exhausted to keep his hands up or that is just simply his style.

I think the stoppage was justified. He was clearly done. Conor should be proud, Floyd is outstanding and the best in the last 30 years

 

[Joedaly]

Yes Conor came out strong and I think not keeping his hands up was his style because he wasn't really doing that in the beginning either. He even admitted in post fight that he was so exhausted because unlike UFC, the ref kept breaking them up and he had no chance to rest.

I agree the stoppage was justified, he was only going to be a punching bag for floyd the rest of the way until he finally went down.

 

[NDIRISH53]

Yes Conor came out strong and I think not keeping his hands up was his style because he wasn't really doing that in the beginning either. He even admitted in post fight that he was so exhausted because unlike UFC, the ref kept breaking them up and he had no chance to rest.

I agree the stoppage was justified, he was only going to be a punching bag for floyd the rest of the way until he finally went down.

Floyd experience shined when after every breakup he immediately went right on the attack as the ref was still backing up

 

[Islero]

I just hope that there's no rematch. It was a nice one time experiment and more or less proved that UFC and boxing are not the same thing. Also, having raked in that financial bonanza, what's the point of doing it again?

 

[Joedaly]

Conor said that he would love to do it again, but I heard Floyd is retiring for good now that he is 50-0 and I don't see the point of him wanting to do it again either.

 

[iwish]

I'm sure he would love to do it again for what, $50-75m? The endurance aspect didn't surprise anyone - boxers train and are conditioned for a 10-12 round fight. His best and only chance was to surprise May and knock him out early. Glad it's over - tired of reading and hearing about it for two weeks straight. Time for some Irish football.

 

[Telx1]

Didn't see the bout, and wondering if you guys that did see it think Conor can have a successful boxing career? In other words, how do you think he would do against the top five in the weight category?

 

[NDIRISH53]

Didn't see the bout, and wondering if you guys that did see it think Conor can have a successful boxing career? In other words, how do you think he would do against the top five in the weight category?

Not good. He's too awkward and doesn't have the conditioning. He's a UFC guy and there is nothing wrong with that

 

[Quest4Twelve]

Way better than expected. Conor unbelievably won 4 rounds including the first 3, although Floyd was clearly getting Conor exhausted early. Some great action in this fight. Some key things I noticed
1. Floyd is amazing
2. Conor was not up to par in endurance
3. Conor has good head speed
4. Conor was either too exhausted to keep his hands up or that is just simply his style.

I think the stoppage was justified. He was clearly done. Conor should be proud, Floyd is outstanding and the best in the last 30 years

While I agree, could you imagine Connor fighting someone like Canelo? I think he would've been murdered. Floyd never respected the boxing power of Connor and walked him down the whole fight.

 

[Joedaly]

Conor has the same problems Ronda Rousey had as an mma fighter. Bad footwork and no defense once Floyd started coming at him. I saw Floyd was landing 58% of his punches compared to 25% to conor. He can try and correct them but I would go back to mma

 

[iwish]

Didn't see the bout, and wondering if you guys that did see it think Conor can have a successful boxing career? In other words, how do you think he would do against the top five in the weight category?

Agree with most of the other comments - I think there was a reason he didn't pursue boxing and crossed over. MMA is definitely the right path.

 

[NDAFArly]

I need to correct people on something here.

Conditioning isn't better or worse, it's experience in what you do. If you took Mayweather & put him in against a D-1 wrestler, for 3 two minute rounds (6 minutes total) he would be completely gassed & wouldn't make it.

In MMA you don't "rest" you learn to use different muscles & the body adapts.
The science shows the best overall conditioned combat sports athletes are MMA fighters because of all the different ways their bodies use oxygen for different situations.

Take a wrestler & have him kick box, or a boxer & have them grapple. They can't. They get exhausted. You can even take someone who grapples & boxes, but does them separately & have them do MMA (so a lot of up & down & both at the same time) & they get exhausted.

It's like a Triathlete. They aren't going to run faster than a pure runner, swim faster than a pure swimmer, or bike faster than a pure biker, but overall the triathlete is in better shape. But if you told them to just swim against Michael Phelps, they would get tired faster than him.

So it's not a minutes of conditioning thing, it's a different use of muscles thing. If Conor & Floyd did MMA rounds, Conor could go all day against Floyd & Floyd would gas in under 5 minutes.

 

[TXNDFan88]

I need to correct people on something here.

Conditioning isn't better or worse, it's experience in what you do. If you took Mayweather & put him in against a D-1 wrestler, for 3 two minute rounds (6 minutes total) he would be completely gassed & wouldn't make it.

In MMA you don't "rest" you learn to use different muscles & the body adapts.
The science shows the best overall conditioned combat sports athletes are MMA fighters because of all the different ways their bodies use oxygen for different situations.

Take a wrestler & have him kick box, or a boxer & have them grapple. They can't. They get exhausted. You can even take someone who grapples & boxes, but does them separately & have them do MMA (so a lot of up & down & both at the same time) & they get exhausted.

It's like a Triathlete. They aren't going to run faster than a pure runner, swim faster than a pure swimmer, or bike faster than a pure biker, but overall the triathlete is in better shape. But if you told them to just swim against Michael Phelps, they would get tired faster than him.

So it's not a minutes of conditioning thing, it's a different use of muscles thing. If Conor & Floyd did MMA rounds, Conor could go all day against Floyd & Floyd would gas in under 5 minutes.

I agree with you - I grew up wrestling, and have boxed and kick boxed the last 10 years - different games. But Connor had a full camp to get into Boxing shape and gassed early in the 7th round. That is unacceptable, he clearly did not put the work in. Has been a problem in his MMA career also. If he does not knock you out early, his cardio goes. Cost him the first fight with Diaz and almost cost him the 2nd.

 

[NDAFArly]

I agree with you - I grew up wrestling, and have boxed and kick boxed the last 10 years - different games. But Connor had a full camp to get into Boxing shape and gassed early in the 7th round. That is unacceptable, he clearly did not put the work in. Has been a problem in his MMA career also. If he does not knock you out early, his cardio goes. Cost him the first fight with Diaz and almost cost him the 2nd.

I actually think it did cost him the 2nd fight. Even though he got the decision I think Diaz had a 10-8 round & it should have been a draw.

But my comment was based on MMA conditioning in general, not guys like Conor, BJ Penn, or others who really don't condition.

But he was going against a very experienced boxer. Like in wrestling you can be in great shape, but if you get Dan Gable in his prime you might be gassed in the 2nd minute (ask the Russians).

So when you have an experience gap that considerable you can wear people out. I've been retired from fighting for three years but I still wear out the young guys when we spar because of experience.

 

[South Bender]

MacGregor is not a boxer. He's a fighter. MMA is where he shines.
He even kept hitting Mayweather in the back of the head out of habit. You could even see at one point in the fight, he almost dropped an elbow on the back of Floyd's head. Luckily, he caught himself and didn't do it.

Was a good experiment, and lasted way longer than I thought it would. Respect to Conor for a valiant effort, but he needs to stick with MMA.

 

[TXNDFan88]

Lasted longer that you thought? Floyd has knocked out 1 fighter in the last ten years and that was when the other fighter dropped his hands and looked at the ref and Floyd hit him twice. You have to protect yourself at all times so it is not a total cheap shot, but Floyd does not knock people out, and he is two years removed from the ring.

 

[South Bender]

Lasted longer that you thought? Floyd has knocked out 1 fighter in the last ten years and that was when the other fighter dropped his hands and looked at the ref and Floyd hit him twice. You have to protect yourself at all times so it is not a total cheap shot, but Floyd does not knock people out, and he is two years removed from the ring.

Had the fight not been stopped, do you think that FM wouldn't have knocked CM out?

 

[TXNDFan88]

Connor was going to collapse due to exhaustion or punches int he next 20 seconds. The ref did him a favor.

 

[Telx1]

Connor was going to collapse due to exhaustion or punches int he next 20 seconds. The ref did him a favor.

TXND... why do you think Conor won the first four rounds? Was this Floyd strategy to have Conor punch himself out as some suggest? Was this Floyd just carrying him to give people a good show? Or, was Conor actually the better fighter early on? Or, ???? Just, curious as to your opinion.

 

[ivan brunetti]

I need to correct people on something here.

Conditioning isn't better or worse, it's experience in what you do. If you took Mayweather & put him in against a D-1 wrestler, for 3 two minute rounds (6 minutes total) he would be completely gassed & wouldn't make it.

In MMA you don't "rest" you learn to use different muscles & the body adapts.
The science shows the best overall conditioned combat sports athletes are MMA fighters because of all the different ways their bodies use oxygen for different situations.

Take a wrestler & have him kick box, or a boxer & have them grapple. They can't. They get exhausted. You can even take someone who grapples & boxes, but does them separately & have them do MMA (so a lot of up & down & both at the same time) & they get exhausted.

It's like a Triathlete. They aren't going to run faster than a pure runner, swim faster than a pure swimmer, or bike faster than a pure biker, but overall the triathlete is in better shape. But if you told them to just swim against Michael Phelps, they would get tired faster than him.

So it's not a minutes of conditioning thing, it's a different use of muscles thing. If Conor & Floyd did MMA rounds, Conor could go all day against Floyd & Floyd would gas in under 5 minutes.

Can't agree with this. Being in shape to last 12 rounds worth of fighting is not some rarefied "skill" that is developed from boxing for a decade. CM failed to adequately train. He knew it would be a marathon and only trained to be able to run ten miles. If I had bet on CM I would have been pissed.

 

[TXNDFan88]

TXND... why do you think Conor won the first four rounds? Was this Floyd strategy to have Conor punch himself out as some suggest? Was this Floyd just carrying him to give people a good show? Or, was Conor actually the better fighter early on? Or, ???? Just, curious as to your opinion.

Floyd threw 25 punches the first three rounds - 25. His strategy was to let CM tire himself out while figuring out his style then take him apart. It worked to a T, kept CM in the fight, and made people happy. He did the same thing against De La Hoya a few years ago (less of the tire himself out) - lose some rounds, figure him out, then outbox him. It is what he does and why he was a better opponent for CM than a boxer in their prime like Alvarez who would walk through him and knock him out in two rds.

 

[Telx1]

Floyd threw 25 punches the first three rounds - 25. His strategy was to let CM tire himself out while figuring out his style then take him apart. It worked to a T, kept CM in the fight, and made people happy. He did the same thing against De La Hoya a few years ago (less of the tire himself out) - lose some rounds, figure him out, then outbox him. It is what he does and why he was a better opponent for CM than a boxer in their prime like Alvarez who would walk through him and knock him out in two rds.

Appreciate the response and perspective.

 

[South Bender]

Connor was going to collapse due to exhaustion or punches int he next 20 seconds. The ref did him a favor.

No doubt and no disagreement.

But your point was that Mayweather doesn't knock opponents out. I think a KO was imminent, and surprisingly, you seem to think so too.

CM wasn't a typical fight for Floyd. So despite what he did in the past to opponents, I thought FM would KO CM much sooner. Hence my surprise that CM lasted as long as he did.

 

[TXNDFan88]

Was the KO imminent because of punches or exhaustion?

Your comment above was that it lasted way longer than you thought it would. If Connor does not gas completely he probably goes the distance. Was just pure unprofessionalism (am probably a bad weight cut) to gas that early.

 

[Joedaly]

There are conspiracy theories that Floyd just wanted to give people a good fight. He was just toying with Conor and was never in trouble. They said Floyd knew his gameplan so well that is why his bet of 9.5 rounds was so accurately close. It's doesn't sound too crazy of theory.

Sure he didn't plan on the ref stopping the fight but thought he probably could ko him by then.

 

[NDskins]

This was a dance competition and Floyd won. Time to get a rematch in the Octagon, 3 rounds, mma rules.

 

[Eph97]

Conor wouldn't make it past round 1 vs. Alvarez or GGG. Conor should be embarrassed that a 40 year old was in better shape than him. He had a lot of time to get into boxing shape and he didn't.

 

[South Bender]

Conor wouldn't make it past round 1 vs. Alvarez or GGG. Conor should be embarrassed that a 40 year old was in better shape than him. He had a lot of time to get into boxing shape and he didn't.

I doubt he's embarrassed to have gone 10 rounds with arguably one of the greatest boxers of all time. Counting his money will also help lessen the embarrassment.

 

[tdjesus11]

I doubt he's embarrassed to have gone 10 rounds with arguably one of the greatest boxers of all time. Counting his money will also help lessen the embarrassment.

LOL so true. Joke is on everyone who thinks Conor is embarrassed. If someone finds a job ad where I can be embarrassed for 1 million dollars a minute, I'm signing up.

 

[NDAFArly]

Can't agree with this. Being in shape to last 12 rounds worth of fighting is not some rarefied "skill" that is developed from boxing for a decade. CM failed to adequately train. He knew it would be a marathon and only trained to be able to run ten miles. If I had bet on CM I would have been pissed.

You would be wrong. And you are.

I get somewhat annoyed by 99.99% of people who never have fought professionally who think they know about fighting professionally.

I have fought professionally. The gym I co-run has Olympic Boxing Gold Medalist & World Champ, current team USA boxers & wrestlers, current UFC/Bellator fighters, & many, many retired UFC fighters.

I fully understand boxing (which is not fighting) & MMA (which is fighting). The conditioning is different. And even someone who is in shape for one is not going to translate to the other. McGregor's grappling skills are below average. But Mayweather could spend an entire year conditioning himself for grappling but it wouldn't matter, he would gas quickly compared to McGregor.

So I guess a short distance runner (10K) in the Olympics just needs a few months to compete with the marathon runners? I mean they are both distance running events, right?


It's effing annoying trying to explain it to people when I just want them to come sign the waiver & feel it for real. I have boxed, kickboxed, Muay Thai, done submission grappling, & MMA. They are all different conditioning.

Side note: watch UFC Rotterdam this Saturday at 1130et to see us in the first fight. Holbrook vs Ghouti

 

[ivan brunetti]

You would be wrong. And you are.

I get somewhat annoyed by 99.99% of people who never have fought professionally who think they know about fighting professionally.

I have fought professionally. The gym I co-run has Olympic Boxing Gold Medalist & World Champ, current team USA boxers & wrestlers, current UFC/Bellator fighters, & many, many retired UFC fighters.

I fully understand boxing (which is not fighting) & MMA (which is fighting). The conditioning is different. And even someone who is in shape for one is not going to translate to the other. McGregor's grappling skills are below average. But Mayweather could spend an entire year conditioning himself for grappling but it wouldn't matter, he would gas quickly compared to McGregor.

So I guess a short distance runner (10K) in the Olympics just needs a few months to compete with the marathon runners? I mean they are both distance running events, right?


It's effing annoying trying to explain it to people when I just want them to come sign the waiver & feel it for real. I have boxed, kickboxed, Muay Thai, done submission grappling, & MMA. They are all different conditioning.

Side note: watch UFC Rotterdam this Saturday at 1130et to see us in the first fight. Holbrook vs Ghouti

A) nope, they are both fighting. Just different restrictions.
B) a short distance runner who trains for a few months likely won't win a marathon, but he damned well should be able to FINISH a marathon
C) don't sign up to box and then cry how it "isn't fair!!!"