Lynch-Tuitt-Williams

[perseverare]

If Ishaq does not return, the former Big3 defensive recruits, it would seem that the total return on the recruiting effort comes down to 1 good year from Tuitt and decent freshman contribution from Lynch.
Does anyone have the total actual games played at ND by the trio out of a possible total?

Not nearly what ND fans had hoped for.

 

[Java65]

In fairness Tuitt gave us more than 1 good year. He was better in his Fr. year than Lynch. Actually was great his So. year, made a few All-American teams. I believe he is in the top 5 on ND's all time single season sack list (I can't remember where he falls on the list). Injuries certainly put a damper on his Jr year but he was a starter and played good football.

Lynch, what can you say.

Williams, IMO, was put in the wrong position from day 1. He was a rush DE, he was never, ever a LB. In the end you are correct he never contributed.

 

[BGI User 348]

IMO diaco had Ishaq in the wrong position from day one. Hope we see him at his best.

 

[stu4don]

Just goes to show you Pers, your obsession with everything 5* is just a bunch of hooey.

Tuitt, Williams 5*, Lynch high 4*

Zach Martin, Tyler Eifert, Cam McDaniel, Farley, Schmidt, all 3*... hell, Robby Toma!

You can turn off your computer now, buddy and hug your kids. he-he

 

[IowaIrish1]

Lynch is the one that the Irish missed the most. He played well for a rookie this year in San Fran. Hope he keeps the head straight and has a good career.

 

[Java65]

Originally posted by stu4don:
Just goes to show you Pers, your obsession with everything 5* is just a bunch of hooey.

Tuitt, Williams 5*, Lynch high 4*

Zach Martin, Tyler Eifert, Cam McDaniel, Farley, Schmidt, all 3*... hell, Robby Toma!

You can turn off your computer now, buddy and hug your kids. he-he

Excluding Martin and Eifert you won't beat many top 25 teams with players of this caliber as your starters.

This post was edited on 3/6 2:17 PM by Java65

 

[irishnumberone1]

I was saw Ishaq's name on 2015 NFL Draft list.That mean Ishaq will not return to ND.I was thought what Ishaq said he will return to ND in 2015.

 

[Kelso86]

It is still up in the air as to IF Ishaq Williams will return to ND in the fall.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

No word on whether Ishaq will be allowed to come back. At the NSD presser BK talked about Kei getting his ducks in order in Washington but said he didn't know what Ishaq was doing or if was doing anything to get back on the team and into school. I know Ishaq has stated he wanted to come back though.

Ishaq is not on the NFL's underclassmen list for the draft #1

 

[graceh90]

Absolutely no basis in fact, but would anyone be surprised if Ishaq wound up at Uconn? Close to home, playing for the guy who was his primary recruiter.

 

[Pennick4]

Don't blame the coaches for Ishaq's failure. He had the intensity of a shuffleboard player. Doubt he would be welcome back if he wanted to come back.

 

[Pennick4]

Originally posted by stu4don:
Just goes to show you Pers, your obsession with everything 5* is just a bunch of hooey.

Tuitt, Williams 5*, Lynch high 4*

Zach Martin, Tyler Eifert, Cam McDaniel, Farley, Schmidt, all 3*... hell, Robby Toma!

You can turn off your computer now, buddy and hug your kids. he-he

Well said Stu.

 

[irishnumberone1]

58/5, Ishaq Williams, OLB, 6-5, 261, Sr, Notre Dame.

 

[continuallyirish]

Originally posted by perseverare:
If Ishaq does not return, the former Big3 defensive recruits, it would seem that the total return on the recruiting effort comes down to 1 good year from Tuitt and decent freshman contribution from Lynch.
Does anyone have the total actual games played at ND by the trio out of a possible total?

Not nearly what ND fans had hoped for.

Positive constructive thread - mutt

 

[john0gaunt]

The OP has a point though. Kelly has a problem with early exits to the NFL. It started with Jimmy C and has plagued him through his tenure at ND.

I think Kelly was just like the OP, he came to ND from Cincy where he had 2 and 3 stars and all of a sudden he has access to all this 5* talent. Like so many posters here, he maybe is blinded by the stars. I think he needs to make it clear in his home visit when the offer is extended in front of the parents that the student will receive a 4 year scholarship to ND. If the player never plays one down of football, he will still have all 4 years of a scholarship. For that the team and Kelly expect the player to be on the team all 4 years. If that can't be agreed on than it it is best the player look at other schools. Regardless of the number of stars. I would rather have a 4* player all 4 years than a 5* for 3 years and then off to NFL.

I know I'm going to be slammed for this post. But there it is.

It's true I am a d-bag. I know nothing about football or anything else. My hatred of JW and FSU is fueling this post and I need mental help. And I am argus. It is all true. And this is only the opinion of 1 of my 55 ID's.

All that said, I think Kelly is great and I think we're lucky to have him. But the attrition to the NFL has hurt him as much as anything.


Go Irish!

 

[perseverare]

regardless of the "mindless"; the OP had nothing to do with any Kelly reference. All things ARE not Brian Kelly!

It was just a reflection on the euphoric feeling at that signing date and the hopes at that time compared to the eventual play of those 3 very highly rated prospects.

Occam's Razor

 

[stu4don]

Originally posted by john0gaunt:
The OP has a point though. Kelly has a problem with early exits to the NFL. It started with Jimmy C and has plagued him through his tenure at ND.

I think Kelly was just like the OP, he came to ND from Cincy where he had 2 and 3 stars and all of a sudden he has access to all this 5* talent. Like so many posters here, he maybe is blinded by the stars. I think he needs to make it clear in his home visit when the offer is extended in front of the parents that the student will receive a 4 year scholarship to ND. If the player never plays one down of football, he will still have all 4 years of a scholarship. For that the team and Kelly expect the player to be on the team all 4 years. If that can't be agreed on than it it is best the player look at other schools. Regardless of the number of stars. I would rather have a 4* player all 4 years than a 5* for 3 years and then off to NFL.

I know I'm going to be slammed for this post. But there it is.

It's true I am a d-bag. I know nothing about football or anything else. My hatred of JW and FSU is fueling this post and I need mental help. And I am argus. It is all true. And this is only the opinion of 1 of my 55 ID's.

All that said, I think Kelly is great and I think we're lucky to have him. But the attrition to the NFL has hurt him as much as anything.


Go Irish!

Actually you couldn't be more wrong about this. Clausen decided to go pro after three years when he was held back in elementary school... AND he wasn't Kelly's recruit. (I do think Jimmy would have benefited with a year under Kelly.)

Kelly actually has a GREAT record on getting people to stay for a 4th and 5th year! Floyd, Manti, Eifert, Martin and now Stanley and Day (all would have been 1st or 2nd rounders.) (Yes he lost Niklaus and Tuitt, but overall he's done very very well in keeping them down on the farm.)

And, dude, you really need a hug.

 

[perseverare]

a few posters are commenting on the apparent trend of 5*'s being 3 n out! It is not just the early exit but the self focus that is more noticable. The team values are seemingly secondary to the self promotion. This has not been so much a problem at ND but it seems to be more noticed with each passing season. Financial interest seems to be more important than team interest. That is not to say it is the incorrect attitude but just 'trending'.

 

[john0gaunt]

Stu, I think Jimmy could have been persuaded to stay another year. That would have been a very good year that would have helped him in his NFL status.

But you're right, he was Weis' recruit. I just don't remember so many guys leaving early.

Go Irish!

 

[no1e]

Originally posted by john0gaunt:
The OP has a point though. Kelly has a problem with early exits to the NFL. It started with Jimmy C and has plagued him through his tenure at ND.

I think Kelly was just like the OP, he came to ND from Cincy where he had 2 and 3 stars and all of a sudden he has access to all this 5* talent. Like so many posters here, he maybe is blinded by the stars. I think he needs to make it clear in his home visit when the offer is extended in front of the parents that the student will receive a 4 year scholarship to ND. If the player never plays one down of football, he will still have all 4 years of a scholarship. For that the team and Kelly expect the player to be on the team all 4 years. If that can't be agreed on than it it is best the player look at other schools. Regardless of the number of stars. I would rather have a 4* player all 4 years than a 5* for 3 years and then off to NFL.

I know I'm going to be slammed for this post. But there it is.

It's true I am a d-bag. I know nothing about football or anything else. My hatred of JW and FSU is fueling this post and I need mental help. And I am argus. It is all true. And this is only the opinion of 1 of my 55 ID's.

All that said, I think Kelly is great and I think we're lucky to have him. But the attrition to the NFL has hurt him as much as anything.


Go Irish!

Since you brought it up. To be fair argus only has around 22 ID's give or take a few. No need to embellish. Two dozen is sick enough. Three or four of those he is currently gracing this board with. Those, of course, are only those we know about and that have been verified either by a mod banning or assured by the posting, grammar style, misspelled words and same delusional rants and obsessions of all the previous ID's (including argus himself).

That said,while others certainly disagree I'm not fully convinced yet you are argus and wouldn't accuse you of being him until there is further confirmation. Although I admit much of your rhetoric appears to be cut from the same cloth. Just saying.

But I digress. I disagree with your premise that early NFL deflections have necessarily hurt ND and Kelly's win loss record. At least in perspective to any other team that loses talent early to the NFL. All teams suffer that fate who have recruited 5* players. When you recruit 5* players you don't recruit them thinking they will be on the field the full four out of five years. Maybe in the '80's or early '90's. But not in this day and age. Five star players are looking at the NFL as their ultimate destination and if they live up to their hype 90% of them are looking to get to the NFL on the fast track. That's leaving after their junior year or if they redshirt (I know ND doesn't call it that) then probably after their RS sophomore year. That includes ND players who know they can return to ND in the off season or after their NFL career and secure that ND diploma.

A coach should know that the probability of said 5* leaving for the NFL early is eminent. It should come as no surprise and they should be recruiting with that variable in mind. In fact the great coaches actually encourage players who are ready and evaluated as ready by the NFL to enter the draft early. Sure, every coach would love to have all the contributing 5* players for the full compliment but they realize early on that ain't happening all that often.





This post was edited on 3/7 12:04 PM by no1e

 

[perseverare]

Stu

again, this was not meant as any referendum re Kelly but the reflection on actual vs anticipated performance by the then Big 3.

You can't really fault any coach for early departures; after all getting the talent that is 'valued' is the goal.

 

[john0gaunt]

Stu, I also don't agree that Jimmy decided to go pro after 3 years when he was in elementary school. I just don't think he was planning that far ahead.


Go Irish!