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Interesting to see how other sites view this QB battle.
Interesting to see how other sites view this QB battle.
Level headed Zaire vs. Kizer discussion
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I don't consider it a QB battle now . There is no way Kizer sits w-o transferring imo , it's his job now . I want the best for the program but I also want these QB's to have a shot at making some good money playing ball ( NFL ) and also have a college career where they see the field for at least two years . If the QB's and Kelly can figure all of that out more power to them .
I have a feeling Zaire would of produced similar results to Kizer. Both players are HUGE upgrades over Rees and Golson. ND's offense was hampered by Rees physical limitations and Golson's inability or reluctance to protect the football AND make plays at the same time.
Zaire through 2.5 games and Kizer through 7 starts have both shown poise, play making ability, generally good ball security and the mental toughness to take Brian Kelly's in your face coaching.style. Both have also shown some warts of inexperience. I've never believed anyone should lose their position to injury, So IMO the job should be an open competition next year.
Zaire through 2.5 games and Kizer through 7 starts have both shown poise, play making ability, generally good ball security and the mental toughness to take Brian Kelly's in your face coaching.style. Both have also shown some warts of inexperience. I've never believed anyone should lose their position to injury, So IMO the job should be an open competition next year.
I don't have a problem w open competition either but we saw how that worked out last spring . Just speaking for myself if I'm Kizer and I don't start next year I look to transfer somewhere where I start . IMO in the perfect world I would like to see the position staggered every two years . I know that is not possible but it seems like the best scenario for the players involved .
What really sux now is Wimbush and Kizer have the same amount of years left eligibility wise - that blows . I've said this before I would have never played Wimbush this season barring injury to Kizer NEVER !!
What really sux now is Wimbush and Kizer have the same amount of years left eligibility wise - that blows . I've said this before I would have never played Wimbush this season barring injury to Kizer NEVER !!
Wasn't Kizer red-shirted last year? It would be very difficult for Kizer to be behind Zaire next year . I don't know who would be more productive at the college level . Zaire ( 6'0")is a very good college QB ,but in my opinion ,Kizer( 6'4",225 lbs) has been mentioned as a QB with definite pro potential by some on ESPN . Highly recruited as a top 10 QB coming out of high school . Kizer with his 6'4" frame and athletic ability would be in my opinion a first rounder if he stuck around for another 3 years
If Kizer is not named the starter in 2016 after spring game ,would you blame him if he transferred ?
If Kizer is not named the starter in 2016 after spring game ,would you blame him if he transferred ?
You will need two quarterbacks.
Zaire 's success will be determined if he hasn't lost any quickness and speed
but having said that, it is hard to think
Of a scenario at this point where Kizer isn't starting- baring a disaster game this year or him regressing which I do not see. The dude is a leader, a stud QB and at this point I wouldn't trade him for any other QB in college football.
Would you?
I think Zaire will get a lot of time because face the facts- next year we are blowing the doors off a lot of teams.
It really sucks for Zaire- you see the passion- you see him around the team- you see the tears when he got injured
but Kizer will be a first rounder and probably a top 5 pick when all is done.
Hell- Kizer could win the Heisman next year throwing to Fuller, Tori Hunter, Sanders, St Brown and Alize Jones.
Zaire 's success will be determined if he hasn't lost any quickness and speed
but having said that, it is hard to think
Of a scenario at this point where Kizer isn't starting- baring a disaster game this year or him regressing which I do not see. The dude is a leader, a stud QB and at this point I wouldn't trade him for any other QB in college football.
Would you?
I think Zaire will get a lot of time because face the facts- next year we are blowing the doors off a lot of teams.
It really sucks for Zaire- you see the passion- you see him around the team- you see the tears when he got injured
but Kizer will be a first rounder and probably a top 5 pick when all is done.
Hell- Kizer could win the Heisman next year throwing to Fuller, Tori Hunter, Sanders, St Brown and Alize Jones.
Either one would be an injury away from being the starter. The way injuries hit us, Wimbush could be taking snaps by this time next year.
I'm watching "A Season With ND" and the show after Zaire went down, I recall Kelly with MZ and his parents and he was consoling them and said he has the job when he gets back.
Kizer is no more of a leader than Malik. If you watch the show you'll see Malik constantly 'coaching up" Kizer on the sideline. They both emulate leadership qualities, more so than any QB in the last few seasons, but you can tell Malik wears his heart on his sleeve.
I don't think its wise that Kelly said that. I can understand wanting to console Zaire, but telling him that, and then not following through, is a recipe for disaster. Hopefully Zaire understands if he doesn't end up getting the job back. He could very easily be called upon if Kizer goes down too.
I think in an ideal world both come back and compete and then red shirt wimbush if possible next year. I love zaires passion and leadership, but Kizer looks special back there. I cannot see Kizer benched based on his play, but coach knows and sees more then we do. I put my trust in Kelly, but I am worried that Malik will transfer. I just can't see Kizer benched when he has three more years to evolve and is already playing at this high of a level.
I agree but he can still red shirt correct? Playing part of one quarter only should not remove that red shirt. No different than someone getting a medical red shirt after playing 3 games.
And probably why we haven't seen him any more in mop up duty because they are going to red shirt him this season.
Once you play after game 3, you can no longer redshirt even if you're injured. He'll be a true sophomore next year.
Another possibility is that Zaire changes positions. It seems that he does not have ideal height for a professional QB ?
He does, however , have good athletic ability, perhaps a slot back,
Corner, safety, etc ? May. Make him both more valuable. To ND,
And also give him a shot at the pros ?
I like Zaire as a college QB, but Kizer looks great and I don 't think. That Zaire offers anything that Wimbush can ?
So, I would like to see all remain on the team, perhaps
Have a position change, and all get playing time.
unless something has changed ND treats redshirts as five years to play 4 season. Wimbush cannot red shirt this year, but if Zaire and kizer come back next year, he would be "redshirted" if he did not play in 2016. Hence preserving a year of eligibility. Wimbush was expecting to sit his first two season already.
Malik is still the better runner. My guess is he edges kizer out. but we need all three in 2016.
One idea I have is that Kizer plays on 1st down, Zaire on 2nd down, Wimbush on 3rd down and then if Kelly decides to go for it on 4th down, they do rock, paper, scissors and winner goes in on that play. Lol.
All kidding aside, I'm a big believer in that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. ND is doing just fine with Kizer at that position and he should only get better. So unless Zaire or Wimbush are outperforming Kizer by a lot in practice, then there's no need for a competition. If Zaire wants to switch positions or transfer, then I think most of us would understand. However, if he stays and welcomes being the backup, then go ahead and give Wimbush the redshirt he was supposed to get. Just hope that doesn't prompt Wimbush to transfer, cuz I really wanna see that kid play QB for ND someday, even if it's just for one season.
All kidding aside, I'm a big believer in that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. ND is doing just fine with Kizer at that position and he should only get better. So unless Zaire or Wimbush are outperforming Kizer by a lot in practice, then there's no need for a competition. If Zaire wants to switch positions or transfer, then I think most of us would understand. However, if he stays and welcomes being the backup, then go ahead and give Wimbush the redshirt he was supposed to get. Just hope that doesn't prompt Wimbush to transfer, cuz I really wanna see that kid play QB for ND someday, even if it's just for one season.
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