Kelly effectively addresses schedule crticisms (non 13th game)

[perseverare]

surprised this was not a discussion point here.

""Our situation is that we don’t play any I-AA teams," Kelly said. "I think that when they decide not to play I-AA teams then maybe we could be on an equal footing. We’re gonna play teams that give us a quality schedule and that’s all really we can control.”

Notre Dame does play a partial ACC schedule, of which Swinney should be well aware. Last week, Pinkel's Tigers opened with Southeast Missouri State."

 

[SALittleGiant513]

That's best possible position ND can take. Additionally as it stands no big 12 gets a 13th game and only 8 p5 schools get their 13th game. If no one got in with only 12 games that would mean no at larges....

 

[Irish Grandeur]

I sure like all of the attention ND is getting this year from the whiny coaches/ADs about the Irish reaching the playoffs. Even though it is negative attention it shows their real fear that ND has a legit shot this year.

 

[IrishBlooded]

http://notredame.forums.rivals.com/...e-and-the-michigan-game-and-more-video.25686/

 

[Epictitus]

This is such BS it reminds me of the coverage the press is giving Trump when he has no chance of being President.

So, if ND would schedule Texas State, Mc Neese State, Weber State or one of the many. many teams schools schedule for a 13th game that would help our standing. That is ridiculous!

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Epic most schools don't play 13 games.

ND is getting this attention from the media. Coaches are bringing this up out of nowhere they are constantly asked about it.

 

[schadenfreude]

surprised this was not a discussion point here.

""Our situation is that we don’t play any I-AA teams," Kelly said. "I think that when they decide not to play I-AA teams then maybe we could be on an equal footing. We’re gonna play teams that give us a quality schedule and that’s all really we can control.”

Notre Dame does play a partial ACC schedule, of which Swinney should be well aware. Last week, Pinkel's Tigers opened with Southeast Missouri State."

ND plays a tough schedule this year, but there are I-AA teams better than UMass.

It is an interesting topic though. If a team is good enough for the playoffs, which is the tougher schedule? 3 games vs end of the year top 25 teams and ten games vs middling (Purdue, Wake, etc) teams OR 5 games vs end of the year top 25 teams, five games vs middling teams and three cupcakes (Army, Troy, Rice, Toledo, Western Carolina, etc)?

 

[BGI User 1596]

ND plays a tough schedule this year, but there are I-AA teams better than UMass.

It is an interesting topic though. If a team is good enough for the playoffs, which is the tougher schedule? 3 games vs end of the year top 25 teams and ten games vs middling (Purdue, Wake, etc) teams OR 5 games vs end of the year top 25 teams, five games vs middling teams and three cupcakes (Army, Troy, Rice, Toledo, Western Carolina, etc)?

Just because you lost to 1_AA teams doesn't mean they are better than UMASS - typical Michigan Man still hurting from the beating App State gave you.

 

[ndfaithful8]

I thought we all knew why UMass was on the schedule.

 

[schadenfreude]

Just because you lost to 1_AA teams doesn't mean they are better than UMASS - typical Michigan Man still hurting from the beating App State gave you.

I don't know about this year but the year we lost to Appalachian State they were WAY better than Notre Dame.

 

[BGI User 1596]

I don't know about this year but the year we lost to Appalachian State they were WAY better than Notre Dame.

31-0 still hurting your little mind. HAHA

 

[IrishBlooded]

I don't know about this year but the year we lost to Appalachian State they were WAY better than Notre Dame.

That's like saying in 93 Boston College was better than Florida State, since ND beat Florida State in one week, and lost to Boston College the following week. Or that Indiana last year was better than the whole of the SEC East, since they defeated the school that won the SEC East.

Your logic here is *Sad.

 

[schadenfreude]

31-0 still hurting your little mind. HAHA

I see by your changing the subject you have thrown in the towel.

24-17-1

Go Blue!

 

[schadenfreude]

That's like saying in 93 Boston College was better than Florida State, since ND beat Florida State in one week, and lost to Boston College the following week. Or that Indiana last year was better than the whole of the SEC East, since they defeated the school that won the SEC East.

Your logic here is *Sad.

And your "logic" is that a three time repeat I-AA champion is not better than a crappy 3-9 I-A team?

Sagarin end of year rankings for 2007:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt07.htm

 

[IrishBlooded]

And your "logic" is that a three time repeat I-AA champion is not better than a crappy 3-9 I-A team?

Sagarin end of year rankings for 2007:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt07.htm

Nope my point was that it is hard to compare FCS vs FBS. In FCS you have a different amount of scholarships, you have different rules for recruitment, practice time, etc. It is apples and oranges. Now if you are saying Appy St. could have beat ND that year. Absolutely, First of all, anything can happen any given week. And there is no lie that ND was terrible in 07. But just stating that Appy beat Michigan, and Michigan beat ND as a transitive thing. Doesn't make sense. Appy had all off season to prep for that game, and it was by far THE biggest game in their history. So getting the kids to play at 110% that day, probably wasn't to hard.

 

[schadenfreude]

Nope my point was that it is hard to compare FCS vs FBS. In FCS you have a different amount of scholarships, you have different rules for recruitment, practice time, etc. It is apples and oranges. Now if you are saying Appy St. could have beat ND that year. Absolutely, First of all, anything can happen any given week. And there is no lie that ND was terrible in 07. But just stating that Appy beat Michigan, and Michigan beat ND as a transitive thing. Doesn't make sense. Appy had all off season to prep for that game, and it was by far THE biggest game in their history. So getting the kids to play at 110% that day, probably wasn't to hard.

It is hard but not impossible. In Rich Rod's first year we also went 3-9; but you don't see me claiming we were better than the FCS champion that season. That would just be nutty.

 

[IrishBlooded]

It is hard but not impossible. In Rich Rod's first year we also went 3-9; but you don't see me claiming we were better than the FCS champion that season. That would just be nutty.

In a FBS vs FBS match up it far easier to say team A is better than team B. But looking at Appy St. in 2007. They played 1 FBS level school. And lost to GA Southern... And Wofford....... If you and I were standing face to face I would offer you $50 to tell me who they defeated in the title game that year to win the title. However it being on the internet and so easy to look it up. No bet. The answer by the way is Delaware. The FCS vs FBS win chance is less than 5% in the last 30 years. Yes when it happens it gets a ton of air time. But that is because it is so rare.

 

[schadenfreude]

In a FBS vs FBS match up it far easier to say team A is better than team B. But looking at Appy St. in 2007. They played 1 FBS level school. And lost to GA Southern... And Wofford....... If you and I were standing face to face I would offer you $50 to tell me who they defeated in the title game that year to win the title. However it being on the internet and so easy to look it up. No bet. The answer by the way is Delaware. The FCS vs FBS win chance is less than 5% in the last 30 years. Yes when it happens it gets a ton of air time. But that is because it is so rare.

While the transitive property doesn't always hold true in sports, it holds true more often than the reverse. ND beat Michigan 31-0 last year and lost to Louisville 31-28. Does this prove that Louisville was better than Michigan? No, it is not proof. There can be no proof (see Northwestern). But it certainly SUGGESTS the Cards were better. Same goes for Appy St ~ ND in 2007.

 

[IRISHJD98]

It is hard but not impossible. In Rich Rod's first year we also went 3-9; but you don't see me claiming we were better than the FCS champion that season. That would just be nutty.

Yeah, but Rich Rod's 3-9 team and our 2007 team would never have been in a playoff discussion. Those seasons/teams aren't useful examples of anything other than sucking.

If wer're talking about who gets access to the FBS playoffs, then we should only give credit for games played between FBS teams.

 

[T-bob75]

In 2006 Appalachian State went 14-1 and won the FCS Championship. Their lone loss was to the only FBS team they played, NC State 23-10. The following week NC State lost to Akron. NC State finished 3-9 that year.

 

[88ND]

Easy guys.....don't forget what you are seeing now is the real end result of the decrease in scholarship numbers from 115 down to 85. Yeah it took some time but the separation between the top division 1 and 1aa, and even division 2 has gotten a lot closer.
I hate the fbs, fcs, fzy, fty....lol....whatever.
I still think of it all as D1, D1aa D2, etc etc.

So the talent is more widespread. No longer can teams recruit so another program doesn't get that player to play against. Can't do that now with 85.

Having said that it is still lower division football and there is a pride thing with that scheduling. Which is good. Actually it is wonderful. Trying to play a schedule with the top division schools only , trying to schedule tough marquee games instead of shying from them should be the awe inspiring jealous envy of the CFB world!!!

 

[IRISHJD98]

In 2006 Appalachian State went 14-1 and won the FCS Championship. Their lone loss was to the only FBS team they played, NC State 23-10. The following week NC State lost to Akron. NC State finished 3-9 that year.

Interestingly for purposes of this discussion, the FBS school App State lost to in 2006 (NC State) went on to have a 3-9 record that season.

 

[Bodizephax]

Even people who have no interest in college football know about APPY STATE SHOCKING BIG MICHIGAN !!!

Heard round the world ! Even the shepards in the caves of Afghanistan knew about that game !! Down go the Infidels !! They yelled !!

 

[Irish Grandeur]

Even people who have no interest in college football know about APPY STATE SHOCKING BIG MICHIGAN !!!

Heard round the world ! Even the shepards in the caves of Afghanistan knew about that game !! Down go the Infidels !! They yelled !!

That's funny!

 

[Invincible Lucky Green]

Hey, we lost to Tulsa so what goes around comes around. Anyway, Kelly can spin it any way he wants to but he knows that without a conference championship, we are out in the cold come playoff time.

 

[Nocalirish]

Thank God ND wont be scheduling a little ten bottom feeder like the Skunkbears in the future to lower their strength of schedule.