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Kelly -- did you guys know?

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Pretty damn impressive:

Currently the third-winningest active coach in the NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision with 216 victories, Kelly has guided the Irish to 45 wins over his first five years in South Bend. Only Lou Holtz collected more victories (46) over his first five seasons at Notre Dame. His 139 victories as a head coach since 2001 are more than all but two active FBS head coaches - Oklahoma's Bob Stoops and Ohio State's Urban Meyer.

The only coach to lead the Irish to at least eight victories over each of his first five seasons, Kelly was the 23rd college coach to reach 200 career victories with at least five years of service or 50 victories at a major college. He was the second youngest to reach the 200-career win plateau. The only two-time winner of the Home Depot Coach of the Year Award (2009 and 2012), Kelly was the first coach in school history to lead the Irish to bowl games during each of his first five seasons.

In 2012, Kelly became the first coach to oversee a program that earned the number one ranking in the polls while also standing first in NCAA Graduation Success Rate and playing for the Bowl Championship Series title. That 2012 season marked Notre Dame's first undefeated regular season since 1988 and its highest final national ranking since 1993.
 
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perseverare said:
so why is 8 wins now "good", whereas Weis stated 9-3 would get him fired?
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Quotes by Weis

you are what you are folks, and right now you're a 6-5 football team. And guess what? That just not good enough. So if you think they hired me to go .500, you... you got the wrong guy

They're going to have to learn about us, OK? Let them try to stop a pro-style offense, which has multiple personnel groups and multiple formations. Let's see how they are going to do. They've had their advantage because I've come into recruiting late. Well, now it's X's and O's time. Let's see who has the advantage now.

Every game, you will have a decided schematic advantage

No one will want a piece of us in 2009

It's been a while since we've been up in the second half. So I told my guys to act like they've been there before. Don't make me look like an idiot

Michigan State will never beat Notre Dame again under my watch (just for the record they lost twice more to MSU under Charlie after this statement)

And let's not forget the gold standard of Charlie quotes.

I've never lost to Pete Carroll and I'm not gonna start now



So if you want to state things that Charlie said. Make sure you state them all. Because for every 1 statement he gave worth a damn. He gave 10 that made you want to punch him in the face.
 
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Stu...thanks for posting. Interesting FACTS for sure.
 
perseverare said:
so why is 8 wins now "good", whereas Weis stated 9-3 would get him fired?
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I am honestly not trying to criticize you but seriously you are very negative. Like you, I lived through the better* years when 8 losses was considered a failure. I remember the feeling I use to get after the first loss sort of like "There goes the season". But we are in a new reality and that ship has sailed.

* I was going to use the word "golden" but the golden years were during Coach Leahy's era and that was before my time.
 
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^ well, I agree with your basic idea; my statement is only negative in context of the ND mission statement that for ND a success is a NC! You can't have it both ways!
How many here are posting about the inflated expectations for '15 and at the same time saying that 8 wins is impressive! clearly a cunundrum!

I think back to the PSU vs Alabama bowl years ago when Paterno stated, "this ain't no book reading contest" in response to the academic standards of the two teams!

Kelly is a football Coach. He is evaluated by the job he does at ND; that evaluation has to be in context of the stated mission statement until the mission statement is revised.

the talk here is generally to explan lack off success by redefining success.
 
perseverare said:
^ well, I agree with your basic idea; my statement is only negative in context of the ND mission statement that for ND a success is a NC! You can't have it both ways!
How many here are posting about the inflated expectations for '15 and at the same time saying that 8 wins is impressive! clearly a cunundrum!

I think back to the PSU vs Alabama bowl years ago when Paterno stated, "this ain't no book reading contest" in response to the academic standards of the two teams!

Kelly is a football Coach. He is evaluated by the job he does at ND; that evaluation has to be in context of the stated mission statement until the mission statement is revised.

the talk here is generally to explan lack off success by redefining success.
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PERS, MY CRANKY FRIEND, If the mission statement includes going to the National Championship, check! When was the last time we did that?! Okay, we got spanked but we played a superior team, the best of the past ten years imo, but I'll take undefeated, ranked number 1 and playing in the game as a great accomplishment. After suffering through the final Holtz years, the Davie debacle, Ty and Bad Time Charlie, I'll take what we have and keep hoping we get another shot given all the NDU academic restraints.)

(*I think you are still pining over Stoops. It's time to face it my friend, he just isn't into you.)
 
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He's a good coach and a great fit for you guys. He's pretty damn consistent and shows improvement in close losses that Weis couldn't touch.

I have no idea why some of you want him gone.
 
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stu4don said:
PERS, MY CRANKY FRIEND, If the mission statement includes going to the National Championship, check! When was the last time we did that?! Okay, we got spanked but we played a superior team, the best of the past ten years imo, but I'll take undefeated, ranked number 1 and playing in the game as a great accomplishment. After suffering through the final Holtz years, the Davie debacle, Ty and Bad Time Charlie, I'll take what we have and keep hoping we get another shot given all the NDU academic restraints.)

(*I think you are still pining over Stoops. It's time to face it my friend, he just isn't into you.)
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Stu?....? Stoops? I was never ever a Stoops bandwagon guy; at the time of his hire, I was thrilled with the Kelly hire.
But, that does not mean that my opinionwas cut in stone. For me he has not been as successful as I had hoped. As in 'Saving Pvt. Ryan', it was "earn this".

Like a poster posted and suggests: we have redefined "success" to "Eight is Enough"

My expectation is that if ND wins 10 games then we will not be having this discussion this time next year.
Fans may come to regret not having Purdue on the schedule.
 
perseverare said:
Fans may come to regret not having Purdue on the schedule.
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Again Perse, with all due respect and then some, you are a buffoon!. So we don't play Purdue this year--we play UMASS and TEMPLE and Navy and no teams that even sniffed the playoffs last year. We have an easy schedule this year and we are loaded with talent ! And who got us this talent ? Was it STOOPS? Was it Meyer? Was it Charlie Weis ?

Where are you Continual ?!!
 
perseverare said:
^ well, I agree with your basic idea; my statement is only negative in context of the ND mission statement that for ND a success is a NC! You can't have it both ways!
How many here are posting about the inflated expectations for '15 and at the same time saying that 8 wins is impressive! clearly a cunundrum!

I think back to the PSU vs Alabama bowl years ago when Paterno stated, "this ain't no book reading contest" in response to the academic standards of the two teams!

Kelly is a football Coach. He is evaluated by the job he does at ND; that evaluation has to be in context of the stated mission statement until the mission statement is revised.

the talk here is generally to explan lack off success by redefining success.
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Who said anything about 8 wins being impressive? What he said was that winning at least 8 games for 5 years in a row in pretty rare in the college ranks. We get it, you don't like Kelly. We get it, in your mind, anything less than a NC every year is a disgrace. Some of us like the fact that we are in the conversation for the NC and would be more than happy to be in that conversation every year. Kelly has done a good job and hopefully will stay and continue to do a good job.
 
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Irish Duck said:
I really miss the days when we had posters who could counteract Pers' consistent "doom and gloom."
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Duck

information is not doom and gloom; unless one is living in some fantasy world. I said that the other teams are resonating better with this years targeted recruits, if you disagree make your case. I noted that other staffs are running several Jr days and camps to stay on targets and ND is falling by the wayside so far; Not so? State your case.

AND several times I mention that Gilmore has guys he is focusing on and if he gets those guys this can still be a v good group. They won't be a midwest weighted group but nevertheless they could be a fine D class.

As for Kelly, it is common sense. He really would like his try at the NFL and his coaching clock is ticking. That Seems pretty obvious to me. But Kelly needs another banner year just to get heard. You disagree?
 
No one is going to miss having Purdont on the schedule. God everything about West Lafayette sucks so bad.
 
I do not get the feeling Kelly wants to go to the NFL at all. He may at one time did but not any more. I think IMO he wants to win not 1 but multiple NC at ND. Since Lou left, Kelly has been by far the best hire. ND can not be giving up him.
 
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Pers isn't a troll. He's a bud. He just looks at things... well, he takes the tough view. I like ND under Kelly. For the first time since Holtz, I feel as if we have a coach who is top-notch. Really, put him at OSU or Bama or USC and he wins a Natty. Our kids go to class and really have to perform academically. How many key players have we lost to academic issues: our #1 QB (two years ago), #1 rusher, #1 DB, #1 receiver - and somehow he still get to 8 wins.

I have grown to like what Pers brings to this board. But I do think he needs to get laid -- or at least, someone take him out for a surf and turf at Carbones in NYC!

Cheers Pers! Go ND.
 
stu

what I express here is generally a composite of information I read and consider. For me, I want to know what the state of "my" chosen team is without the bias's of the teams media or fanaticisms. I really try to assess the team for the coming season and beyond. My expectations are based upon that. Except for stats, it is subjective and I always say it is opinion.

Where I am wrong is that not all fans want to dissect their team in such a manner; rather they want to prepare for each season with an enthusiasm as if they were sending 22 All American candidates out there each Sat. And you know what, there is nothing wrong with that! And I think I will take that into account in future posting, so not to quell that enthusiasm.

If I have any news re recruiting that might be construed as unfavorable maybe I can note it as "spoiler alert".
Hows that work for you guys?
 
Perse, I think that would be welcomed. I personally like the objective fact based opinions that you often express, as these do provide perspective and balance to the kool aid drinking. I do take exception to characterizations of the coaches being lame duck and Kelly not caring because he is on a one or two year exit plan, for example. Those that take exception to this should not be thrown into the eight win is fine characterization. The level of enthusiasm going into the season for ND, and most sports teams for that matter, is part of what makes sports such a great draw.
 
You're all right Pers! Just keep posting. I know where I stand with you and don't have a problem with your cold hard realistic view of all things Irish football. Just like to kid you is all...
 
perseverare said:
Duck

information is not doom and gloom; unless one is living in some fantasy world. I said that the other teams are resonating better with this years targeted recruits, if you disagree make your case. I noted that other staffs are running several Jr days and camps to stay on targets and ND is falling by the wayside so far; Not so? State your case.

AND several times I mention that Gilmore has guys he is focusing on and if he gets those guys this can still be a v good group. They won't be a midwest weighted group but nevertheless they could be a fine D class.

As for Kelly, it is common sense. He really would like his try at the NFL and his coaching clock is ticking. That Seems pretty obvious to me. But Kelly needs another banner year just to get heard. You disagree?
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absolutely no evidence that Kelly is seriously interested in the nfl.
 
Irishjohn68 said:
I do not get the feeling Kelly wants to go to the NFL at all. He may at one time did but not any more. I think IMO he wants to win not 1 but multiple NC at ND. Since Lou left, Kelly has been by far the best hire. ND can not be giving up him.
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There is only one person here who is convinced that Kelly wants to go to the NFL ASAP. He thinks that if he says it over and over that we will begin to believe it. He is't even a glass half empty...more like glass with a hole in the bottom of it. Grumpy old man or GOM.
 
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