Ja'mion Franklin

[iwish]

This young man is exactly the type of player, especially on the D-line, that we always clamor for her on the Irish. Aggressive, chip on the shoulder, wanting to prove himself and wanting to go up against the best. In watching some of his clips and his interview from The Opening, I am excited to see him on the team. I had assumed he would likely red-shirt and he still may, but he just might force his way into the lineup as a freshman for some playing time.

 

[South Bender]

He held his own against the top olinemen in this recruiting class. Granted, it wasn't game-time heroics, but still.

I'd rather he be on our roster than one of our opponents.

 

[REMND]

I loved his film. I thought his ranking was not impressive. Then I watched his film. It made me laugh the way he obliterated the guy in front of him. Franklin and Jayson Ademilola are a great duo. The staff found someone flying under the radar with Franklin.

I am reading that Jayson is 3T and Franklin 1T. I think they both have position flexibility there.

Justin Ademilola is becoming my underdog favorite because his twin brother is getting so much attention. Hope he really emerges as an SDE this year. I read his use of violent hands has really improved since his junior year.

 

[chaseball]

No, what we've been clamoring for are recruits like Taron Vincent, Xavier Thomas, Micah Parsons .. guys who would be NFL draft picks if there wasn't a mandatory 3 year college rule.

Instead we have to rely on recruits the level of Franklin who is a decent prospect/project at some mid level P5 school.

 

[IrishInOntario]

No, what we've been clamoring for are recruits like Taron Vincent, Xavier Thomas, Micah Parsons .. guys who would be NFL draft picks if there wasn't a mandatory 3 year college rule.

Instead we have to rely on recruits the level of Franklin who is a decent prospect/project at some mid level P5 school.

Your premise is certainly accurate, but I'll say this. Jayson Ademilola is every bit as good as Taron Vincent. They play a different game, but Ademilola is a beast, which is why he is highly sought after by Ohio State (where Vincent is committed) Clemson and Alabama. Franklin is going to be a quality recruit, but the tandem of Ewell and Ademilola could be every bit as good as what you'll see Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State field in the coming years.

Probably the only guy to take a couple reps from Jamaree Salyer at the Opening was Ademilola. In fairness, he's a true, 6'2, 295lb (playing weight) 3 Tech, where as Vincent is a nose guard in 4-3 defense and Salyer simply out muscled him, where as Jayson used his speed and technique to beat Salyer a couple times... Speaking of Salyer. Wow. Maybe the best road grading college football guard I've seen since Chance Warmack.

ND needs some high end defensive ends, but the 2 year haul at DT/NG will be top 5 nationally by time the final rankings come out for the 2018 class.

 

[NDAFArly]

No, what we've been clamoring for are recruits like Taron Vincent, Xavier Thomas, Micah Parsons .. guys who would be NFL draft picks if there wasn't a mandatory 3 year college rule.

Instead we have to rely on recruits the level of Franklin who is a decent prospect/project at some mid level P5 school.

Sooooo....
When they chose the "dream team" from the Opening Ademilola was selected (a DT).

And Franklin was NR a few months ago, then after reviewing tape was given 3 Stars out of nowhere. Then he started tearing guys up at the Opening, the best Olineman in the class, & one even said "the toughest guy to block out there is Franklin." Don't be surprised if this fall you see him jump even higher up the rankings.

As IIO said above, ND's haul at DT for 2017 & 18 is considered top notch.
You are consumed by (current) Star rankings, when these players actually all just competed & Ademilola was the standout guy & Franklin was the surprise guy.
Not sure how even you can complain about it?

 

[iwish]

No, what we've been clamoring for are recruits like Taron Vincent, Xavier Thomas, Micah Parsons .. guys who would be NFL draft picks if there wasn't a mandatory 3 year college rule.

Instead we have to rely on recruits the level of Franklin who is a decent prospect/project at some mid level P5 school.

No, that's you being depressing and negative. As pointed out, he more than held his own - and true Irish fans root for the players that want to be Irish.

 

[REMND]

No, what we've been clamoring for are recruits like Taron Vincent, Xavier Thomas, Micah Parsons .. guys who would be NFL draft picks if there wasn't a mandatory 3 year college rule.

Instead we have to rely on recruits the level of Franklin who is a decent prospect/project at some mid level P5 school.

Have you seen his film before the Opening and clips from the Opening? Franklin is a beast with piston legs.

 

[perseverare]

a smaller, more dedicated, more driven version of Nix. He has athleticism, and actually is reminiscent of the 'Fridge'; just maybe a bit shorter. His Hudl shown height of 6'3 is an exaggeration. 6' +- 1/2".

He is the kind of kid ND can successfully recruit at this time. He may not be in his positional Top 12 but he is definately in the Top 20.

 

[Izo]

I love the optimism . Ademilola yes could be a stud .Franklin looks to be a red- shirt .still need a few more difference makers on the D-Line
Also worried about the depleted O- Line after this year especially with the departure of Nelson ,McGlinchey.

 

[NDAFArly]

I love the optimism . Ademilola yes could be a stud .Franklin looks to be a red- shirt .still need a few more difference makers on the D-Line
Also worried about the depleted O- Line after this year especially with the departure of Nelson ,McGlinchey.

If Franklin redshirts next year it is because Ewell, Ademilola, Cage, Tillery...which is not a bad thing. How many teams had 2 DT's at the Opening? (One making "Dream Team")

The Oline will be fine. Kraemer, Lugg, Eichenberg, Hainsey along with Mustipher & Bars probably back & good Olineman recruitment & development will be evident.

The point is the Dline recruiting is getting a lot better, like from bad to really good.

 

[South Bender]

No, what we've been clamoring for are recruits like Taron Vincent, Xavier Thomas, Micah Parsons .. guys who would be NFL draft picks if there wasn't a mandatory 3 year college rule.

Instead we have to rely on recruits the level of Franklin who is a decent prospect/project at some mid level P5 school.

Man, you're a dick.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Man, you're a dick.

He's actually correct in his assertion, he's just very blunt about it... Chase approaches this from a very logical, mathematical perspective. He's of the opinion (and rightfully so) that the more high end prospects you land, the higher your "hit" rate will be in terms of developing great players, where as the more projects you take, the harder you have to work and luckier you have to get, to develop studs.

I would absolutely love to have those guys that Chase listed. Those are probably 3 of the top 5 defensive lineman in the class. That said, I also think Jay Ademilola is a top 2 defensive tackle in the class and a top 5 DL overall. Ja'mion Franklin should make a steady rise up the rankings boards after his campaign showing and it wouldn't surprise me if he's a top 10 defensive tackle by National Signing Day. There are 120ish teams across the nation, landing one of the two best defensive tackles in the class and a 2nd guy who should be top 10 by the end of the class, is an excellent haul, by nearly anyone's standards... It's just one position, but that's the type of recruiting that nets you a top 10 defense down the road with excellent development and coaching.

Ewell / Ademilola is really, really elite... Franklin / Tagovaiola-Amosa as their rotational backups is nothing to scoff at. Elko is recruiting hard and ND's defensive talent is getting better.

Ademilola, Allen and Simon would be three blue chip defensive prospects in one class. It's been a while since ND could say they had a haul like that, especially when you look at the quality pieces could come along with those guys.

 

[NDAFArly]

He's actually correct in his assertion, he's just very blunt about it... Chase approaches thugs from a very logical, mathematical perspective. He's of the opinion (and rightfully so) that the more high end prospects you land, the higher your "hit" rate will be in terms of developing great players, where as the more projects you take, the harder you have to work and luckier you have to get, to develop studs.

I would absolutely love to have those guys that Chase listed. Those are probably 3 of the top 5 defensive lineman in the class. That said, I also think Jay Ademilola is a top 2 defensive tackle in the class and a top 5 DL overall. Ja'mion Franklin should make a steady rise up the rankings boards after his campaign showing and it wouldn't surprise me if he's a top 10 defensive tackle by National Signing Day. There are 120ish teams across the nation, landing one of the two best defensive tackles in the class and a 2nd guy who should be top 10 by the end of the class, is an excellent haul, by nearly anyone's standards... It's just one position, but that's the type of recruiting that nets you a top 10 defense down the road with excellent development and coaching.

Ewell / Ademilola is really, really elite... Franklin / Tagovaiola-Amosa as their rotational backups is nothing to scoff at. Elko is recruiting hard and ND's defensive talent is getting better.

Ademilola, Allen and Simon would be three blue chip defensive prospects in one class. It's been a while since ND could say they had a haul like that, especially when you look at the quality pieces could come along with those guys.

If OSU or Bama had Ademilola, Ewell, Simon & Allen down the middle everybody would be talking about how great they are.

Then throw in Franklin & his performance at the opening & they would all be saying "why can't we find a guy like that? Someone nobody knew about but is a stud? Why does Bama/OSU find those guys but we can't?"

I am very excited about the prospect of those guys playing together.

 

[perseverare]

He's actually correct in his assertion, he's just very blunt about it... Chase approaches this from a very logical, mathematical perspective. He's of the opinion (and rightfully so) that the more high end prospects you land, the higher your "hit" rate will be in terms of developing great players, where as the more projects you take, the harder you have to work and luckier you have to get, to develop studs.

I would absolutely love to have those guys that Chase listed. Those are probably 3 of the top 5 defensive lineman in the class. That said, I also think Jay Ademilola is a top 2 defensive tackle in the class and a top 5 DL overall. Ja'mion Franklin should make a steady rise up the rankings boards after his campaign showing and it wouldn't surprise me if he's a top 10 defensive tackle by National Signing Day. There are 120ish teams across the nation, landing one of the two best defensive tackles in the class and a 2nd guy who should be top 10 by the end of the class, is an excellent haul, by nearly anyone's standards... It's just one position, but that's the type of recruiting that nets you a top 10 defense down the road with excellent development and coaching.

Ewell / Ademilola is really, really elite... Franklin / Tagovaiola-Amosa as their rotational backups is nothing to scoff at. Elko is recruiting hard and ND's defensive talent is getting better.

Ademilola, Allen and Simon would be three blue chip defensive prospects in one class. It's been a while since ND could say they had a haul like that, especially when you look at the quality pieces could come along with those guys.

IIO
you're on a roll being 'wrong' about the DL going into seasons and recruiting seasons. Your analysis's are like you put the 'whammy' on the D.

Since it is inappropriate to offer any critical comment about a commit or active player, maybe we ought
1. wait to see a few games results for '17 defense on the field before we induct them into the college football HOF
2. Let's see, defensively, who sends in a NLI in Feb. '18 and then compare the class to the teams ND is trying to close the talent gap on.

 

[IrishInOntario]

IIO
you're on a roll being 'wrong' about the DL going into seasons and recruiting seasons. Your analysis's are like you put the 'whammy' on the D.

Since it is inappropriate to offer any critical comment about a commit or active player, maybe we ought
1. wait to see a few games results for '17 defense on the field before we induct them into the college football HOF
2. Let's see, defensively, who sends in a NLI in Feb. '18 and then compare the class to the teams ND is trying to close the talent gap on.

Perse,

I was admittedly wrong about the pass rush last year, but what does that have to do with the fact that Jayson Ademilola is ranked among the elite DT's I'm the country, continues to rise, has offers from every school in the country that matters, was told my OSU's staff that they believe he is the best 3 tech in the country, he then went to the Opening and proved it, as he dominated all week and was he only guy to take a rep from Jamaree Salyer?

You constantly rant about offers and rankings... Darnell Ewell and Jayson Ademilola (my opinion aside) were / are among the most elite DT'S in their respective classes and both were / are being pursued by the very best. Should Ademilola decommit and go elsewhere, it would clearly be an enormous blow to the class. I've been saying for months that I think he's the best player in the class, Allen being a close 2nd.

 

[perseverare]

Jayson A is indeed a top prospect. (his brother is also a good prospect)
D.E. we have discussed his upside before, so we don't need to rehash that.
Allen, is a great football player, now. He would probably start on this years team.
The long range ? with Allen is only position. Allen reminds me of J Peppers. Long run, he might be a great player w/o a position. But he will be great in college.

My prediction, neither J.A. nor D.A make a single tackle in a N.D. uniform in 2017, And that is the problem.

A side bar: (I know you will post a discussion about the Chip Long offense at some point)
On this site and TOS, I read how his Memphis offense was prolific. Now Long may be a very fine coach and offensive mind, but he has not had 'an offense' as yet. At Memphis Fuente resurrected the Tigers and then passed the team on to Norvell. Now Norvell then brings Long with him along with him. But, point is Memphis was a top offense under Fuente. Norvell then continued developing the Tiger offense; Long was a co coordinator. Per Norvell: "...one of the brightest young offensive minds in the country. Coach Long and I have coached together for the last four years at Arizona State, where Chip was our recruiting coordinator and tight ends coach," Norvell said. "He's going to direct an aggressive attack style offense which will showcase our playmakers in every aspect of the game...." But ND will be his 1st real big opportunity to be his on his own.
It will not be Fuente' nor Norvell's offense; Long will be where the buck stops. We need to see the 'Long Offense', before inducting him into the college HOF. ( the biggest problems he will face? Same as any ND O.C.> the H.C. and this may be the 1st time his football players carry full time academic loads)



2015



2014 ASU offense (Norvell is OC)

 

[Pennick44]

No, what we've been clamoring for are recruits like Taron Vincent, Xavier Thomas, Micah Parsons .. guys who would be NFL draft picks if there wasn't a mandatory 3 year college rule.

Instead we have to rely on recruits the level of Franklin who is a decent prospect/project at some mid level P5 school.

You have been clamoring for. Nobody wants to be associated with you. Get a life.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Jayson A is indeed a top prospect. (his brother is also a good prospect)
D.E. we have discussed his upside before, so we don't need to rehash that.
Allen, is a great football player, now. He would probably start on this years team.
The long range ? with Allen is only position. Allen reminds me of J Peppers. Long run, he might be a great player w/o a position. But he will be great in college.

My prediction, neither J.A. nor D.A make a single tackle in a N.D. uniform in 2017, And that is the problem.

A side bar: (I know you will post a discussion about the Chip Long offense at some point)
On this site and TOS, I read how his Memphis offense was prolific. Now Long may be a very fine coach and offensive mind, but he has not had 'an offense' as yet. At Memphis Fuente resurrected the Tigers and then passed the team on to Norvell. Now Norvell then brings Long with him along with him. But, point is Memphis was a top offense under Fuente. Norvell then continued developing the Tiger offense; Long was a co coordinator. Per Norvell: "...one of the brightest young offensive minds in the country. Coach Long and I have coached together for the last four years at Arizona State, where Chip was our recruiting coordinator and tight ends coach," Norvell said. "He's going to direct an aggressive attack style offense which will showcase our playmakers in every aspect of the game...." But ND will be his 1st real big opportunity to be his on his own.
It will not be Fuente' nor Norvell's offense; Long will be where the buck stops. We need to see the 'Long Offense', before inducting him into the college HOF. ( the biggest problems he will face? Same as any ND O.C.> the H.C. and this may be the 1st time his football players carry full time academic loads)

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2014 ASU offense (Norvell is OC)

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I'm the long term I'm far less worried about Elko and the defense than I am about Long and the offense. As of right now, Long has the better players to work with and a lot of them have already been developed. That said, I share your concern about his lack of experience. I also am somewhat concerned about Kelly's ability to stay out his way... For the record, however, the last guy whose experience as a coordinator I questioned at ND was Bob Disco, so here is to hoping my concerns of Coach Long turn out to be equally unnecessary.

Looking ahead 2-3 years from now, I think Elko will have the defense in great shape. If Long can be even close, ND will be doing just fine. I'm also excited to see the transformation of players from a physical perspective, a year from now, under Balis. By next fall camp ND should look like an SEC team heading into camp.

 

[OneillIrish]

I love the optimism . Ademilola yes could be a stud .Franklin looks to be a red- shirt .still need a few more difference makers on the D-Line
Also worried about the depleted O- Line after this year especially with the departure of Nelson ,McGlinchey.

Did you not see our OL recruiting hual over the past 2 classes?
(not to mention the MASSIVE ground work laid down before that)

We're in very, very good shape moving forward on the OL.

If you look at the possibilities for the 2018 OL
LT - Eichenberg / Lugg
LG - Bars / Hainsey / Byrne
C - Mustipher , Ruhland
RG - Bars / Kraemer / Hainsey / Byrne
RT - Kraemer / Lugg / Hainsey / Bars

Personally, I think it shakes out as:
LT - Eichenberg , Lugg
LG - Hainsey , Byrne
C - Mustipher , Ruhland
RG - Kraemer , Byrne
RT - Bars , Lugg

 

[IrishInOntario]

Did you not see our OL recruiting hual over the past 2 classes?
(not to mention the MASSIVE ground work laid down before that)

We're in very, very good shape moving forward on the OL.

If you look at the possibilities for the 2018 OL
LT - Eichenberg / Lugg
LG - Bars / Hainsey / Byrne
C - Mustipher , Ruhland
RG - Bars / Kraemer / Hainsey / Byrne
RT - Kraemer / Lugg / Hainsey / Bars

Personally, I think it shakes out as:
LT - Eichenberg , Lugg
LG - Hainsey , Byrne
C - Mustipher , Ruhland
RG - Kraemer , Byrne
RT - Bars , Lugg

I tend to agree with your starting group (maybe flip Bars and Kraemer but we'll see) but I also think Aaron Banks will be in the 2-deep after working on his body for another year and who knows, maybe ND surprises everybody, smashes Georgia with Salyer in attendance (I'm not holding my breath) and pulls a huge upset for him (again, not betting on it). He would be in the 2-deep from day one.

 

[OneillIrish]

I tend to agree with your starting group (maybe flip Bars and Kraemer but we'll see) but I also think Aaron Banks will be in the 2-deep after working on his body for another year and who knows, maybe ND surprises everybody, smashes Georgia with Salyer in attendance (I'm not holding my breath) and pulls a huge upset for him (again, not betting on it). He would be in the 2-deep from day one.

We're in agreement.

I left Aaron Banks off for now, just because he needs to reshape his body, and to a lesser extend because he's more of an OG athletically but more of an OT in build....which can sometimes be an issue.

But depending on how Banks progresses, he's someone who could be an option at either OT (RT, imo) or OG.

Certainly not hard to imagine Byrne going somewhere else for his 5th year, to actually start, and having Banks take over his spot.

And while I think the chance of us land Salyer are around 0% (though I like our chances of beating UGA much more), if we somehow did land him......he'd have a solid chance of being in the starting lineup in 2018. At worst, he'd be the #3 OG

But unless we get his with a pretty significant rash of injuries, that's a very strong, versatile, balanced, and deep OL group for 2018

And there isn't really much point in trying to project past that, as it's just a wild-ass guess