It's a sad day when our QB play has me thinking of Ian Book...

[88ND]

those of you who know me certainly can attest to the fact that I truly despised Ian Book.

While Wimbush had a stronger arm nobody knew where his passes were going. Not even God knew where his passes were going. The team at that time needed someone with a little more accuracy rather than mustard. We got that with Book and that was fine at the time but he SHOULD HAVE BEEN A SIMPLE STOP GAP UNTIL THE NEXT REAL QB COMES CALLING.
What we have got since is every single QB modeled after the Ian Book type.

Book should have been the stop gap not the current QB standard.
Truly ridiculous I am even talking about Book. That's how pathetic this situation is. It's embarrassing.


....I am actually talking about Ian Book and it pisses me off.

It pisses me off because he was the king of the 3 yard curl and sit route thrower and now we can't even have a QB who can reliably make those throws.
Riley has a weak arm and no accuracy so he's the worst QB we've had since WImbush.
I might give Wimbush the edge as he could heave it if needed.

Riley is the worst passer this team has had since Pat Dillingham and you can write that down.

I'm talking about Book...un effing real!

 

[echowaker]

I was on record here as saying when Leonard signed that the move did not move the needle for me. He has never been a solid downfield passer. Frankly he's not a passer at all but a thrower. An excellent athlete playing QB. He is what he is. Can they win with him ? Sure but he has to play better and smarter. Will he ? We'll see. I don't believe he should be benched after one really poor performance. It can't work that way for any player. Hard to play free looking over your shoulder. He knows he stunk it up and he also knows the leash won't be much longer.

 

[savvyandsassier]

I say he gets one more chance. I don't give a shit if it's hard to play or not without the full, unconditional support of all the coaches hanging on your every snap, especially if you're getting paid a million bucks. The season's basically already over on account of him, the playoffs at least, and ND needs to be moving on to bigger and better things if the mediocrity continues.

 

[FightingIrish44]

I was on record here as saying when Leonard signed that the move did not move the needle for me. He has never been a solid downfield passer. Frankly he's not a passer at all but a thrower. An excellent athlete playing QB. He is what he is. Can they win with him ? Sure but he has to play better and smarter. Will he ? We'll see. I don't believe he should be benched after one really poor performance. It can't work that way for any player. Hard to play free looking over your shoulder. He knows he stunk it up and he also knows the leash won't be much longer.

Agree although I’m higher on Leonard than most. Then if Angeli plays poorly, it’s on to the next guy in the fans’ mind.

Need to have some consistency and it needs to be more clear that someone else is better for the job.

 

[echowaker]

Agree although I’m higher on Leonard than most. Then if Angeli plays poorly, it’s on to the next guy in the fans’ mind.

Need to have some consistency and it needs to be more clear that someone else is better for the job.

I believe if he plays poorly and they lose another one a change will likely be made. In my mind it has to be Carr. He's the future in my opinion so the more experience he gets the better for his development. I just hope it doesn't get to that point.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Agree although I’m higher on Leonard than most. Then if Angeli plays poorly, it’s on to the next guy in the fans’ mind.

Need to have some consistency and it needs to be more clear that someone else is better for the job.

We don't need to have anything, it's whatever we decide on. Or in this case, the coaches decide. If they decide to stay with RL, in spite of continued mediocrity, and nothing constructive really comes it and younger QBs transfer yet again as with Buchner, then they effed up. Especially if it's because pulling RL, who presumably was brought in expressly to make the playoff, and not in this case because our returning QBs were unacceptably shitty or inexperienced, which wasn't the case with Jack Coan, but was somewhat the case with Sam Hartman, is what we ought to do. So it probably is fair to say that brining in transfer one year QBs over and over again definitely comes at a cost. And it doesn't matter how much we paid, or if it makes the coaches look bad, if RL is not good enough. And if you can make a strong argument the team might be better with Angeli solely on the merits, then you should definitely bench RL. So as to avoid holding the rest of your QBs back, both by encouraging transfers, and limiting your own potential by not seeing what they could do. RL is just not good enough thus far to offset all that. Especially if the playoff is out, which it isnt' yet. The irony being of course that we could cost ourselves what little chance left we have at a playoff berth by staying with RL, and that he is problem....

 

[savvyandsassier]

I believe if he plays poorly and they lose another one a change will likely be made. In my mind it has to be Carr. He's the future in my opinion so the more experience he gets the better for his development. I just hope it doesn't get to that point.

And quite naturally, if not RL, then we'll go with the true frosh. The one QB least likely to transfer, or to bring immediate success. And who has done nothing at all to signal that he is so great, and such an absolute sure thing elite talent, that you should go from first to worst if you make the weighty decision to bench your flashy NIL transfer QB after three games.

I mean what else would you do.....

 

[FightingIrish44]

We don't need to have anything, it's whatever we decide on.

I agree. That was my way of saying “don’t panic” because he had one bad game in which he was still an asset.

People crap the bed (not you) from week to week based on results. It’s comical as well as irritating. Freeman is the greatest thing after A&M then he’s not the guy after NIU and he sucks. Which is it? One game shouldn’t have swayed people so much. If one believed he was the man after a close A&M win, then that person should have believed he was the man after a close loss to A&M. Same with losing to NIU.

Leonard could have had the A&M game, and thrown for 400 yards against NIU, but if he played against Purdue like he did against NIU, people would be all over him saying he’s not the guy. It’s one game.

My humble opinion is people need to chill the hell out (not directed at you). Fans are too nuts and high and low. It’s funny how I can get mocked for pointing out flaws with Freeman. Next thing he loses a game, and everyone is mocking the whole program and I’m the one saying to just chill.

 

[BGI User 1596]

I agree. That was my way of saying “don’t panic” because he had one bad game in which he was still an asset.

People crap the bed (not you) from week to week based on results. It’s comical as well as irritating. Freeman is the greatest thing after A&M then he’s not the guy after NIU and he sucks. Which is it? One game shouldn’t have swayed people so much. If one believed he was the man after a close A&M win, then that person should have believed he was the man after a close loss to A&M. Same with losing to NIU.

Leonard could have had the A&M game, and thrown for 400 yards against NIU, but if he played against Purdue like he did against NIU, people would be all over him saying he’s not the guy. It’s one game.

My humble opinion is people need to chill the hell out (not directed at you). Fans are too nuts and high and low. It’s funny how I can get mocked for pointing out flaws with Freeman. Next thing he loses a game, and everyone is mocking the whole program and I’m the one saying to just chill.

Definitely the latter!

 

[savvyandsassier]

I agree. That was my way of saying “don’t panic” because he had one bad game in which he was still an asset.

People crap the bed (not you) from week to week based on results. It’s comical as well as irritating. Freeman is the greatest thing after A&M then he’s not the guy after NIU and he sucks. Which is it? One game shouldn’t have swayed people so much. If one believed he was the man after a close A&M win, then that person should have believed he was the man after a close loss to A&M. Same with losing to NIU.

Leonard could have had the A&M game, and thrown for 400 yards against NIU, but if he played against Purdue like he did against NIU, people would be all over him saying he’s not the guy. It’s one game.

My humble opinion is people need to chill the hell out (not directed at you). Fans are too nuts and high and low. It’s funny how I can get mocked for pointing out flaws with Freeman. Next thing he loses a game, and everyone is mocking the whole program and I’m the one saying to just chill.

Yeah I guess I'm a little embarrassed, I let myself get too hyped up about this season, I just wanted to make that initial playoff so bad. Even though there wasn't that much basis for such confidence. The defense, sure, and the favorable schedule. Which isn't nothing. Other than that it was just hype. Unjustified hype. Meaning it's on the fans in a sense, and not on the team, they just are who they are. And the offense was obviously very questionable. And I really was in non denial denial about it, if you will. With RL being the principal source of uncertainty. And the whole thing came crashing back to earth very quickly!

Anyway, here's to the rest of the season. I want to see Angeli just for the novelty of it....

 

[88ND]

And quite naturally, if not RL, then we'll go with the true frosh. The one QB least likely to transfer, or to bring immediate success. And who has done nothing at all to signal that he is so great, and such an absolute sure thing elite talent, that you should go from first to worst if you make the weighty decision to bench your flashy NIL transfer QB after three games.

I mean what else would you do.....

You can't go with Carr.....
The only option is Angeli.

If we went with Carr the entire QB room will leave and they should.
This theme of rent-a-QB was stupid from the get go and I screamed this from the top rope.
Now here we are three years later...
Coan, Hartman and Riley later...
And what do we have to show for it....

An underperforming QB position...AGAIN.

For three straight years we have tried taking the easy way out with the QB spot and what we got is simply other teams table scraps.
Joe Burrow isn't coming here via the star trek portal thing...

We have to EARN that QB by recruiting him.

If we go with Carr the QB room next year will have Carr, plus two freshmen, one being a three star and the other a two star and probably a walk on emergency QB.

Let Angeli play this year out,

 

[4-4-3]

I say he gets one more chance. I don't give a shit if it's hard to play or not without the full, unconditional support of all the coaches hanging on your every snap, especially if you're getting paid a million bucks. The season's basically already over on account of him, the playoffs at least, and ND needs to be moving on to bigger and better things if the mediocrity continues.

And that one more chance DOESN'T HAVE TO LAST THE WHOLE GAME if ND is down, say, two TD's, and the O has stalled out.

 

[savvyandsassier]

You can't go with Carr.....
The only option is Angeli.

If we went with Carr the entire QB room will leave and they should.
This theme of rent-a-QB was stupid from the get go and I screamed this from the top rope.
Now here we are three years later...
Coan, Hartman and Riley later...
And what do we have to show for it....

An underperforming QB position...AGAIN.

For three straight years we have tried taking the easy way out with the QB spot and what we got is simply other teams table scraps.
Joe Burrow isn't coming here via the star trek portal thing...

We have to EARN that QB by recruiting him.

If we go with Carr the QB room next year will have Carr, plus two freshmen, one being a three star and the other a two star and probably a walk on emergency QB.

Let Angeli play this year out,

That's what I'm saying, if you're going to make a switch, which I think we could be close to. And you don't have to commit to Angeli for the long term future. A coach never has to do that. Angeli could finish the season, start out next season, and then get replaced at some point by Minchey or Carr because they simply have more talent and are ready to take over. And that's what you have to juggle as a head coach. That is the job, those kind of consequential executive decisions.

 

[4-4-3]

You can't go with Carr.....
The only option is Angeli.

If we went with Carr the entire QB room will leave and they should.
This theme of rent-a-QB was stupid from the get go and I screamed this from the top rope.
Now here we are three years later...
Coan, Hartman and Riley later...
And what do we have to show for it....

An underperforming QB position...AGAIN.

For three straight years we have tried taking the easy way out with the QB spot and what we got is simply other teams table scraps.
Joe Burrow isn't coming here via the star trek portal thing...

We have to EARN that QB by recruiting him.

If we go with Carr the QB room next year will have Carr, plus two freshmen, one being a three star and the other a two star and probably a walk on emergency QB.

Let Angeli play this year out,

Agree with your logic on why Angeli should be UP FIRST.

Besides, when has he played poorly? He HASN'T.

He's ALWAYS ANSWERED THE BELL.

He can PLAY THE POSITION.

 

[88ND]

Agree with your logic on why Angeli should be UP FIRST.

Besides, when has he played poorly? He HASN'T.

He's ALWAYS ANSWERED THE BELL.

He can PLAY THE POSITION.

Agreed 101%

 

[88ND]

🤬🤬🤬🤬
This whole thing just irritates me

It's not the loss to NIU.
Most don't understand CFB is no longer about perception.
Too many "me first" players want to start and showcase themselves that talent is littered throughout all of D1 football now.

What irritates me is we have another QB that we mortgaged part of the future for using the star trek portal thing, Another QB who was simply average at their previous team yet we roll out the red carpet.
Another QB with a weak arm who is inaccurate.

Oh yeah...and we start this guy....pay this guy...seemingly married to this QB who can NOT PLAY THE POSITION AT THE LEVEL WE NEED.

If our goal is to finish in the top 25 he's great.
If, and God forbid we are reaching for a little higher ranking than that, he's a terrible choice.

 

[tkirish]

That's what I'm saying, if you're going to make a switch, which I think we could be close to. And you don't have to commit to Angeli for the long term future. A coach never has to do that. Angeli could finish the season, start out next season, and then get replaced at some point by Minchey or Carr because they simply have more talent and are ready to take over. And that's what you have to juggle as a head coach. That is the job, those kind of consequential executive decisions.

You know you got me thinking. Here we are in year 3 of the MF era. We are already talking about switching QBs and faint whispers of replacing the coach. That says everything you need to know about where this program is at the moment. That’s pretty bad for a program led by a first time coach who supposedly “ turned the corner “.

 

[tkirish]

This post also got me to thinking that this “…talking…” adds up to a whole lot of nothing.

Glad you enjoyed it. That’s 30 seconds you’ll never get back

 

[sjb75]

Glad you enjoyed it. That’s 30 seconds you’ll never get back

I was here in 2016 when 90% of the Notre Dame Football fan base wanted Brian Kelly fired.

Do yourself a favor. Save your breath. You aren’t that important.

 

[tkirish]

I was here in 2016 when 90% of the Notre Dame Football fan base wanted Brian Kelly fired.

Do yourself a favor. Save your breath. You aren’t that important.

Thank you my friend. Go Irish!