is ND bring back its wrestling program?

[deadirishpoet]

I was read InterMat (one of the better high school wrestling web pages) and I was going over the commitment list and several had Notre Dame?

I know the ACC has wrestling programs is Notre Dame revising theirs!

 

[mc140]

Probably football players who also wrestle.

 

[Toby Smart]

Just saw "Foxcatcher" last night. Wrestlers are top notch elite athletes but that movie was creepy.

 

[IrishHerb]

Originally posted by deadirishpoet:
I was read InterMat (one of the better high school wrestling web pages) and I was going over the commitment list and several had Notre Dame?

I know the ACC has wrestling programs is Notre Dame revising theirs!

If they are, they're sure very quiet about it.

Normally their official athletics page, www.und.com, mentions everything that is going on relating to athletics.

 

[deadirishpoet]

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I don't know maybe I'm missing something? Here are some commitment the past few days:






Date College Name School State Proj Wght


03-06-15 Notre Dame Jarrett Reisenbichler Jackson MO 125
03-06-15 St. Cloud State Calvin Ochs Hoxie via (Colby CC) KS 165/174
03-05-15 Arizona State Chance Eskam Carlsbad CA 285
03-05-15 Williams Baptist Erik Cooley Cabot AR 141/149
03-05-15 Midland Abel Avila Alhambra (via Notre Dame) CA 141/149
03-04-15 Lyon Jacob Spohrer Pearl River LA 184/197
03-04-15 Indiana Connor Boundy Barrington IL 141/149
03-04-15 Notre Dame Emilio Fowler Olathe North KS 174/184
03-04-15 Notre Dame Ryan Patchin Delta OH 174/184

 

[HarpuaIrish]

Numero Uno, is that you??

 

[Bodizephax]

I wrestled Lou Banach in my fourth match on the high school varsity in 1978. My first defeat. I was a sophomore.
This post was edited on 3/8 10:51 PM by Bodizephax

 

[IrishBourbon]

ND started a club team so that might be what you're seeing. No NCAA team that I know of. If so, I'd be ecstatic. ND made a big mistake when the rid wrestling. Most elite academic schools value wrestling for the high pedigree student athletes it attracts to their school. Take a look at every highly ranked academic school in the country and wrestling is a sport. All Ivy schools, Stanford, Duke, NW, etc. ND is the one exception. Sad.

 

[Mheezyfosheezy3]

I think if ND added wrestling, it has to add a women's sport as well. ND had a very good wrestling program at one time but was disbanded for a lot of internal problems. Forget who the coach was when it happened but it was not pretty.
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[IrishHerb]

DIP, doing a little searching on google … it looks like the "Notre Dame" listed in the commitments you posted is Notre Dame College in South Euclid, OH. They're a Div II team and do have wrestling.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Thanks everyone, and Herb thank you for going the extra mile

I was state champ my Senior yr though I came close my Jr yr.

I follow the sport very closely still throughout the country.

I would hope ND brings it back but I do believe as posted above a women's sport would have to be added.

That's a shame.

 

[onlyonenow]

they go on and on about how great Title IX has been for womens sports. And total silence about how many mens sports have been killed because of it. Gymnastics is a shadow of what it once was; Wrestling is way down.

 

[NDEwing18]

Originally posted by onlyonenow:

they go on and on about how great Title IX has been for womens sports. And total silence about how many mens sports have been killed because of it. Gymnastics is a shadow of what it once was; Wrestling is way down.

What would your alternative be?

For what it's worth, I've heard a decent amount of talk over the years about men's sports that have declined because of Title IX.

 

[onlyonenow]

it is not just talk- it is a flat out fact. Some universities keep womens sports that have to go out and beg for students to try out for the team over mens sports that had people clamoring to play.

Just like any other feel good regulation or law once the idiot bureaucrats, judges and politicians are through with it - the effects are quite often overall bad.

Any university can cancel a mens sport and not worry about anyone other then possibly alumni being mad. Cancel a womens sport and you have the DOJ and everyone else 'investigating' you.

 

[Hawkeyerish]

Originally posted by onlyonenow:

it is not just talk- it is a flat out fact.

This is a tired and ill-informed argument that seems especially prevalent in the state of Iowa because of the popularity of wrestling. I understand the frustration about young men who are passionate about a sport in high school and not able to pursue it in college, but the arguments that try and make Title IX the devil in the works misunderstand the law and its effects.

Here's a good primer on the many myths associated with Title IX:
http://espn.go.com/espnw/title-ix/article/7729603/five-myths-title-ix

It's also a good reminder at this point that names like Muffet McGraw, Ruth Riley, Shannon Boxx, and Skylar Diggins, who all have brought ND athletics respect and fame, would not have had that opportunity if not for Title IX.

 

[NDEwing18]

Originally posted by onlyonenow:

it is not just talk- it is a flat out fact. Some universities keep womens sports that have to go out and beg for students to try out for the team over mens sports that had people clamoring to play.

Just like any other feel good regulation or law once the idiot bureaucrats, judges and politicians are through with it - the effects are quite often overall bad.

Any university can cancel a mens sport and not worry about anyone other then possibly alumni being mad. Cancel a womens sport and you have the DOJ and everyone else 'investigating' you.

I doubt that increased opportunities for females to play college athletes means that Title IX's effects are "overall bad".

Where has the DOJ investigated a university because it cancelled a women's sport?

 

[onlyonenow]

that espn article was written by someone who is notorious for slavishly praising title IX

And after having lived all over the US over the last 30 years I have seen numerous examples of universities that wanted to shut down some womens sports and they were threatened with investigations by all and everyone.

If you bothered to do a little research instead of regurgitating something from BSPN, you would find lots to make you realize how oblivious you are.

And yes I say overall bad because frankly I think a lot of the advances in womens sports would have happened about as quickly and with less damage to mens sports without Title IX and all the BS 'interpretations' that caused most of the trouble.

But then expecting certain people here to actually have the common sense of a fruit fly is asking a lot.

And by the way Iowa was way ahead of the rest of the nation by a wide margin for a long time in having girls in sports participating at a high level.

And guess what- they did not need a law and lawyers and politicians to do it either.

 

[IowaIrish1]

UN of Omaha just shut down wrestling after winning a National Championship a few years ago.

I don't really understand why a school has to have 2 teams for the same sport. How about having 1 basketball team, 1 tennis team and so on. Seems like equality to me.

 

[Hawkeyerish]

Originally posted by onlyonenow:

that espn article was written by someone who is notorious for slavishly praising title IX

And after having lived all over the US over the last 30 years I have seen numerous examples of universities that wanted to shut down some womens sports and they were threatened with investigations by all and everyone.

If you bothered to do a little research instead of regurgitating something from BSPN, you would find lots to make you realize how oblivious you are.

And yes I say overall bad because frankly I think a lot of the advances in womens sports would have happened about as quickly and with less damage to mens sports without Title IX and all the BS 'interpretations' that caused most of the trouble.

But then expecting certain people here to actually have the common sense of a fruit fly is asking a lot.

And by the way Iowa was way ahead of the rest of the nation by a wide margin for a long time in having girls in sports participating at a high level.

And guess what- they did not need a law and lawyers and politicians to do it either.

If you have research that shows women's opportunities in sports would have made as sharp gains as they have in Title IX without doing harm to men's sports, please share. I imagine that also would be able to show that men's gymnastics and wrestling would not have declined on their own for other reasons besides Title IX. I'm skeptical, but I'll keep an open mind.

Until that time, I maintain the view that Title IX increased opportunities for women in education without decreasing opportunities for men (see the net gains in men's sports and participants over the 40 years of the law) while withstanding numerous judicial challenges over the years. In my eyes, that law is better than most.

 

[Hawkeyerish]

Originally posted by IowaIrish1:
UN of Omaha just shut down wrestling after winning a National Championship a few years ago.

I don't really understand why a school has to have 2 teams for the same sport. How about having 1 basketball team, 1 tennis team and so on. Seems like equality to me.

Nothing about Title IX stipulates that schools need to have two teams for the same sport. Nor do schools need to spend the same amount on men's as they do on women's sports.

 

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