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They would step in and put a stop to this haphazard power grab of realignment and bring everyone to the table to do this in a top down way that benefits both conferences and members … but alas the NCAA is useless except to punish an innocent program every time Kentucky or UNC breaks another rule.
 
They would step in and put a stop to this haphazard power grab of realignment and bring everyone to the table to do this in a top down way that benefits both conferences and members … but alas the NCAA is useless except to punish an innocent program every time Kentucky or UNC breaks another rule.
They destroyed the big 12
 
NIL and the Mega conferences are pretty dicked up. What a bunch of morons in the court and governing bodies to say "we should just let the colleges allow boosters to pay whatever they want for a team".

What could possibly go wrong. What went from trying to allow the student athlete to have income while in school has made CFB a junior pro-Legue without a draft or a cap.

This is going to take the AD's to stop it but even that has massive greed.
 
NIL and the Mega conferences are pretty dicked up. What a bunch of morons in the court and governing bodies to say "we should just let the colleges allow boosters to pay whatever they want for a team".

What could possibly go wrong. What went from trying to allow the student athlete to have income while in school has made CFB a junior pro-Legue without a draft or a cap.

This is going to take the AD's to stop it but even that has massive greed.
SMU is wondering why wasn't this the attitude I the early 80s
 
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The NCAA has no power to stop conferences from evolving or the coming era of NIL.

The NCAA is not some centralized, all-powerful, college football Czar. It has very limited, specific powers. Because that is how the schools want it to be.

The conferences will do what they feel is in their best interest. Just like ND does what it feels is in ND's best interest. Even if what is done is arguably not in the best interest of college football in general.

The two entities are remarkably alike.
 
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The NCAA has no power to stop conferences from evolving or the coming era of NIL.

The NCAA is not some centralized, all-powerful, college football Czar. It has very limited, specific powers. Because that is how the schools want it to be.

The conferences will do what they feel is in their best interest. Just like ND does what it feels is in ND's best interest. Even if what is done is arguably not in the best interest of college football in general.

The two entities are remarkably alike.
I said nothing about power, the power of the ncaa is the members, they can lead and facilitate or they can stand by and observe and be rather useless, despite the big offices and budgets. They do in theory have a charter and a purpose - the fans and media are lamenting how the lack of leadership while traditions crumble. That doesn’t take power, we don’t need mandates, we need leadership and foresight.
 
I said nothing about power, the power of the ncaa is the members, they can lead and facilitate or they can stand by and observe and be rather useless, despite the big offices and budgets. They do in theory have a charter and a purpose - the fans and media are lamenting how the lack of leadership while traditions crumble. That doesn’t take power, we don’t need mandates, we need leadership and foresight.

Well, there is no consensus among schools on what the future should look like. You may think all fans want what you want, but they probably don't.

ND wants to do what ND wants to do. The SEC & Big Ten want to do what they want to do. There is no difference.
No one is thinking about the sport in general. Swarbrick comments how "terrible" it is that Stanford gets left without a conference, but he isn't willing to put ND in a conference with Stanford. He is talking out of both sides of his mouth.
 
Well, there is no consensus among schools on what the future should look like. You may think all fans want what you want, but they probably don't.

ND wants to do what ND wants to do. The SEC & Big Ten want to do what they want to do. There is no difference.
No one is thinking about the sport in general. Swarbrick comments how "terrible" it is that Stanford gets left without a conference, but he isn't willing to put ND in a conference with Stanford. He is talking out of both sides of his mouth.
We are in total agreement on the situation, there is no top down vision, not even any top down principles or goals, just individual schools acting and others reacting. That’s exactly it. In my opinion if the NCAA doesn’t facilitate that basic discussion then what are they good for? They already let the courts decide NIL while they stood by with no plan then watched it all quickly unravel into chaos and now we are watching round 2. I mean for Gods sake these are college presidents, they ought to be decent at creating a vision and then a plan to achieve it.
 
We are in total agreement on the situation, there is no top down vision, not even any top down principles or goals, just individual schools acting and others reacting. That’s exactly it. In my opinion if the NCAA doesn’t facilitate that basic discussion then what are they good for? They already let the courts decide NIL while they stood by with no plan then watched it all quickly unravel into chaos and now we are watching round 2. I mean for Gods sake these are college presidents, they ought to be decent at creating a vision and then a plan to achieve it.
Will all these rapid changes in the game force a creation of a enforcement body to create stability?
 
Well, there is no consensus among schools on what the future should look like. You may think all fans want what you want, but they probably don't.

ND wants to do what ND wants to do. The SEC & Big Ten want to do what they want to do. There is no difference.
No one is thinking about the sport in general. Swarbrick comments how "terrible" it is that Stanford gets left without a conference, but he isn't willing to put ND in a conference with Stanford. He is talking out of both sides of his mouth.
You are wrong. The difference is Notre Dame can afford to remain independent, Stanford and Cal cannot.
 
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Well, there is no consensus among schools on what the future should look like. You may think all fans want what you want, but they probably don't.

ND wants to do what ND wants to do. The SEC & Big Ten want to do what they want to do. There is no difference.
No one is thinking about the sport in general. Swarbrick comments how "terrible" it is that Stanford gets left without a conference, but he isn't willing to put ND in a conference with Stanford. He is talking out of both sides of his mouth.
What? That is ridiculous

No he isn’t

Feeling empathy for Stanford does not mean he should change ND’s mission
 
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Will all these rapid changes in the game force a creation of a enforcement body to create stability?

The only stability I see in the future is through a major TV contract, probably shared between 4 or more providers.

A hybrid "NFL model", for football only. Step one: agree on the programs to be included (very difficult, not sure that will ever get done). Step two: every program gets a minimum payment. For argument's sake, say there are 64 programs and every school gets $40 million minimum. Teams with winning records get more. Teams that play tougher SOS get more than teams that end up with the same record but have played a weaker SOS. The champion gets say $80 million. Runner up, $75 million, etc, down the line. These figures are just guesswork. Adjust up or down for something more feasible.

I don't know if the major programs, mostly in the SEC and Big Ten, would go for this because the gap between the rich and poor teams is less than what it is now. But it would lend stability, reward the better teams, and grow the sport nationally. When the weakest teams are guaranteed at least B12 money (roughly), they can budget accordingly and not have to worry about a conference imploding. ADs might hate it, when a preseason ten win team instead goes 5-7 and only collect the minimum. And as I stated, agreeing on who is invited and who is left with the Texas States of the world is an enormous hurdle.

But TV money could, in theory, be a stabilizing factor.
 
What? That is ridiculous

No he isn’t

Feeling empathy for Stanford does not mean he should change ND’s mission

Like a rich man looking down at a poor beggar and loudly proclaiming "This is terrible! Something should be done for this person!" and walking away without giving so much as a dollar.
 
We are in total agreement on the situation, there is no top down vision, not even any top down principles or goals, just individual schools acting and others reacting. That’s exactly it. In my opinion if the NCAA doesn’t facilitate that basic discussion then what are they good for? They already let the courts decide NIL while they stood by with no plan then watched it all quickly unravel into chaos and now we are watching round 2. I mean for Gods sake these are college presidents, they ought to be decent at creating a vision and then a plan to achieve it.
The NCAA went to court and lost. What else are they going to do? Commit contempt of court?
The only stability I see in the future is through a major TV contract, probably shared between 4 or more providers.

A hybrid "NFL model", for football only. Step one: agree on the programs to be included (very difficult, not sure that will ever get done). Step two: every program gets a minimum payment. For argument's sake, say there are 64 programs and every school gets $40 million minimum. Teams with winning records get more. Teams that play tougher SOS get more than teams that end up with the same record but have played a weaker SOS. The champion gets say $80 million. Runner up, $75 million, etc, down the line. These figures are just guesswork. Adjust up or down for something more feasible.

I don't know if the major programs, mostly in the SEC and Big Ten, would go for this because the gap between the rich and poor teams is less than what it is now. But it would lend stability, reward the better teams, and grow the sport nationally. When the weakest teams are guaranteed at least B12 money (roughly), they can budget accordingly and not have to worry about a conference imploding. ADs might hate it, when a preseason ten win team instead goes 5-7 and only collect the minimum. And as I stated, agreeing on who is invited and who is left with the Texas States of the world is an enormous hurdle.

But TV money could, in theory, be a stabilizing factor.
Central authority planning you want? Okay

All schools with a 20 million dollar budget meet the standard and are in the league.

Every season begins with 3 weeks of playing the geographically closest league members.

Conferences limited to 8 games.

Season ends with the same protected rivalry.

TV money is pooled and distributed part equally and part bonuses for tv appearances.

Top 10 schools by weighted record play in a JAn 1st bowl.

top two remaining play a national title game next Saturday.
 
The only stability I see in the future is through a major TV contract, probably shared between 4 or more providers.

A hybrid "NFL model", for football only. Step one: agree on the programs to be included (very difficult, not sure that will ever get done). Step two: every program gets a minimum payment. For argument's sake, say there are 64 programs and every school gets $40 million minimum. Teams with winning records get more. Teams that play tougher SOS get more than teams that end up with the same record but have played a weaker SOS. The champion gets say $80 million. Runner up, $75 million, etc, down the line. These figures are just guesswork. Adjust up or down for something more feasible.

I don't know if the major programs, mostly in the SEC and Big Ten, would go for this because the gap between the rich and poor teams is less than what it is now. But it would lend stability, reward the better teams, and grow the sport nationally. When the weakest teams are guaranteed at least B12 money (roughly), they can budget accordingly and not have to worry about a conference imploding. ADs might hate it, when a preseason ten win team instead goes 5-7 and only collect the minimum. And as I stated, agreeing on who is invited and who is left with the Texas States of the world is an enormous hurdle.

But TV money could, in theory, be a stabilizing factor.
Good post that pretty much covers the uneasiness of a landscape but your fist point "hybrid "NFL model" is officially calling it what it is .....The NFL Farm Club. Its not an unknown notion, but this pretty much makes it offical.

We are celebrating the new age off football and the passing of a great one
 
Good post that pretty much covers the uneasiness of a landscape but your fist point "hybrid "NFL model" is officially calling it what it is .....The NFL Farm Club. Its not an unknown notion, but this pretty much makes it offical.

We are celebrating the new age off football and the passing of a great one

Eh.. it has always been evolving. Personally, I will be happy if they are still playing in 40 years. So many parents refuse to let their kids play these days. They think every kid today is going to end up like the NFL players from the '60s.
 
Eh.. it has always been evolving. Personally, I will be happy if they are still playing in 40 years. So many parents refuse to let their kids play these days. They think every kid today is going to end up like the NFL players from the '60s.
There is some truth to that though thevyiuyh program here is good but there's alot of youth playing soccer....I guess they don't believe there's injuries in that sport
 
There is some truth to that though thevyiuyh program here is good but there's alot of youth playing soccer....I guess they don't believe there's injuries in that sport

Soccer is fun to play but IMO boring as hell to watch. The sport purposefully restricts the most exciting part of the game: goalie saves and goals. It is like if basketball was played on a 200 meter court with the baskets 10 meters in the air... Final Four result: ND beats Duke, 8-5!
 
Soccer is fun to play but IMO boring as hell to watch. The sport purposefully restricts the most exciting part of the game: goalie saves and goals. It is like if basketball was played on a 200 meter court with the baskets 10 meters in the air... Final Four result: ND beats Duke, 8-5!
Great analogy
 
Soccer is fun to play but IMO boring as hell to watch. The sport purposefully restricts the most exciting part of the game: goalie saves and goals. It is like if basketball was played on a 200 meter court with the baskets 10 meters in the air... Final Four result: ND beats Duke, 8-5!
Only the most popular game on planet earth.
 
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