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If Kelly stays out of the way of the Offense and defense

Zorich 88

Zorich 88

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ND could have a much better season than I expected.
Kelly has to give full responsibility of the offense and defense to the coaches he brought in.
I have to admit, I like Mike Elco and Coach Long. Kelly did a good job with the off season hires. However, that being said, Kelly cannot be allowed to run the offense. If he plays the role of a GM and not a coach, ND could have double digit wins this season.
 
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Zorich 88 said:
ND could have a much better season than I expected.
Kelly has to give full responsibility of the offense and defense to the coaches he brought in.
I have to admit, I like Mike Elco and Coach Long. Kelly did a good job with the off season hires. However, that being said, Kelly cannot be allowed to run the offense. If he plays the role of a GM and not a coach, ND could have double digit wins this season.
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I agree Kelly has to bite his tongue and let his coordinators play call.
 
First year OC, DC with Kelly as HC and an inexperienced QB will lead to another 4-8 season.
 
Keep in mind that that, like all Head Coaches, he has veto power. I heard him utter those words not too long ago after the recent hires. Not sure if that meant play calling or game planning or both.
 
I do wonder what game it will be that Kelly comes unleashed after Chip Long. The moment perfection isn't achieved and Belrandon Wimbush isn't playing like the second coming of Joe Montana.
 
Zorich 88 said:
ND could have a much better season than I expected.
Kelly has to give full responsibility of the offense and defense to the coaches he brought in.
I have to admit, I like Mike Elco and Coach Long. Kelly did a good job with the off season hires. However, that being said, Kelly cannot be allowed to run the offense. If he plays the role of a GM and not a coach, ND could have double digit wins this season.
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Do you think, if we paid him another $1M he'd just go up to the sky box and let everyone else coach the games? Now that would be a great head coach.
 
Ara64 said:
Why do we have to make broad stroking comments about Brandon Wimbush when we have such a small sample of work? Give the young man the opportunity to show us his stuff. We'll see how things go after four games next fall.
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What if Ian Book wins the job? Lets atleast see the spring game before handing bush the job.
 
His impact would not be mitigated by putting him in the skybox; he is a negative impact on recruiting.
ND will not get the talent needed to regain national competitive relevance until he is gone.
The next two years look like 15-9 reg season.
 
Zorich 88 said:
ND could have a much better season than I expected.
Kelly has to give full responsibility of the offense and defense to the coaches he brought in.
I have to admit, I like Mike Elco and Coach Long. Kelly did a good job with the off season hires. However, that being said, Kelly cannot be allowed to run the offense. If he plays the role of a GM and not a coach, ND could have double digit wins this season.
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GREAT POST - spot on.

Allegedly, that is how Dan Devine won his NC Title at ND (he just got out of the way and let his staff do their respective jobs).
 
BGI-CANADA said:
GREAT POST - spot on.

Allegedly, that is how Dan Devine won his NC Title at ND (he just got out of the way and let his staff do their respective jobs).
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Dan Devine was a great HC. Never was a Devine team not prepared to play a big game. He has one of the best winning percentages against ranked teams of all the ND coaches since and including Ara. His history shows where a poor public persona and personality can distort peoples perception of someones accomplishments.
 
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Howard Hall 74 said:
Dan Devine was a great HC. Never was a Devine team not prepared to play a big game. He has one of the best winning percentages against ranked teams of all the ND coaches since and including Ara. His history shows where a poor public persona and personality can distort peoples perception of someones accomplishments.
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Devine did indeed have a very good record at ND (with a winning percentage of .764) - worst season was '79 where ND lost 4 games.

Personally I am not aware of how much Devine relied on his 'assistants' etc

I do recall Tim Prister (much closer to and more knowledgeable about the 'workings' of the ND program than I will ever be) credited Devin's assistants with the main reasons for Devine's success at ND.
 
BGI-CANADA said:
Devine did indeed have a very good record at ND (with a winning percentage of .764) - worst season was '79 where ND lost 4 games.

Personally I am not aware of how much Devine relied on his 'assistants' etc

I do recall Tim Prister (much closer to and more knowledgeable about the 'workings' of the ND program than I will ever be) credited Devin's assistants with the main reasons for Devine's success at ND.
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He had an all-star cast of veteran assistants that held over from the Ara era. I'm not implying Devine didn't do a great job, but he had about as solid a staff as he could possibly have had, and the holdover of the Ara assistants made the coaching transition very smooth.

And HH 74 is 100% right, his quirky personality, various idiosyncrasies, and discomfort with the "communications" part of the ND job does give people a more negative impression about his tenure than is really accurate.
 
twalsh said:
He had an all-star cast of veteran assistants that held over from the Ara era. I'm not implying Devine didn't do a great job, but he had about as solid a staff as he could possibly have had, and the holdover of the Ara assistants made the coaching transition very smooth.

And HH 74 is 100% right, his quirky personality, various idiosyncrasies, and discomfort with the "communications" part of the ND job does give people a more negative impression about his tenure than is really accurate.
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Good point - and considering that he had COLLEGE winning percentages of: .887 at ASU (unheard of)
.704 at Missou and .764 at ND - have to wonder if Devine's W-L record at Green Bay may have poorly influenced the ND fan base as to their perception of Devine....who knows?
 
BGI-CANADA said:
Good point - and considering that he had COLLEGE winning percentages of: .887 at ASU (unheard of)
.704 at Missou and .764 at ND - have to wonder if Devine's W-L record at Green Bay may have poorly influenced the ND fan base as to their perception of Devine....who knows?
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I think its simpler than that. He was a very odd quirky guy who followed a living legend.
 
Howard Hall 74 said:
Dan Devine was a great HC. Never was a Devine team not prepared to play a big game. He has one of the best winning percentages against ranked teams of all the ND coaches since and including Ara. His history shows where a poor public persona and personality can distort peoples perception of someones accomplishments.
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Are you saying that it was acceptable to always be prepared to play a big game, but not be prepared to play lesser teams? The 1976 and 1980 teams were not ready to play Georgia Tech in either of those years. The 1976 Georgia Tech team beat us without completing a single pass. The 1977 national champion team lost to Ole Miss. You know what the Rebels' record was that year? 5-6.
 
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Howard Hall 74 said:
Dan Devine was a great HC. Never was a Devine team not prepared to play a big game. He has one of the best winning percentages against ranked teams of all the ND coaches since and including Ara. His history shows where a poor public persona and personality can distort peoples perception of someones accomplishments.
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How would you know? You weren't even born when Devine was coach, fraud. Please stop the charade and go back to the Indiana board.
 
NDSMC78 said:
Are you saying that it was acceptable to always be prepared to play a big game, but not be prepared to play lesser teams? The 1976 and 1980 teams were not ready to play Georgia Tech in either of those years. The 1976 Georgia Tech team beat us without completing a single pass. The 1977 national champion team lost to Ole Miss. You know what the Rebels' record was that year? 5-6.
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Yet again, the OP has no clue what he's talking about. He's just making crap up (e.g. that he graduated from ND) and hoping people here buy it.
 
NDSMC78 said:
Are you saying that it was acceptable to always be prepared to play a big game, but not be prepared to play lesser teams? The 1976 and 1980 teams were not ready to play Georgia Tech in either of those years. The 1976 Georgia Tech team beat us without completing a single pass. The 1977 national champion team lost to Ole Miss. You know what the Rebels' record was that year? 5-6.
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Quit being so negative. Sky is falling, sky is falling.....
 
BGI-CANADA said:
Good point - and considering that he had COLLEGE winning percentages of: .887 at ASU (unheard of)
.704 at Missou and .764 at ND - have to wonder if Devine's W-L record at Green Bay may have poorly influenced the ND fan base as to their perception of Devine....who knows?
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Did you also think ND should have hired Devine in 1964 just like you claimed that ND should have hired in 2009 either James Franklin (then an assistant at Maryland), Mike MacIntyre (then an assistant at Duke), or David Shaw (then an assistant at Stanford)?
 
NDSMC78 said:
Are you saying that it was acceptable to always be prepared to play a big game, but not be prepared to play lesser teams? The 1976 and 1980 teams were not ready to play Georgia Tech in either of those years. The 1976 Georgia Tech team beat us without completing a single pass. The 1977 national champion team lost to Ole Miss. You know what the Rebels' record was that year? 5-6.
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Whether it was Devine or his 'assistants' (likely a combination of the 2) at the end of his ND career he left with a NC Title and a W-L percentage of .764 - good enough for me, despite his 'personality'.

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Zorich 88 said:
ND could have a much better season than I expected.
Kelly has to give full responsibility of the offense and defense to the coaches he brought in.
I have to admit, I like Mike Elco and Coach Long. Kelly did a good job with the off season hires. However, that being said, Kelly cannot be allowed to run the offense. If he plays the role of a GM and not a coach, ND could have double digit wins this season.
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He is the head coach. He will have his hands in all facets of the o, d, and special teams. As he should.
 
twalsh said:
He had an all-star cast of veteran assistants that held over from the Ara era. I'm not implying Devine didn't do a great job, but he had about as solid a staff as he could possibly have had, and the holdover of the Ara assistants made the coaching transition very smooth.

And HH 74 is 100% right, his quirky personality, various idiosyncrasies, and discomfort with the "communications" part of the ND job does give people a more negative impression about his tenure than is really accurate.
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Also, Devines penchant for human sacrifice the night before big games did not sit well with the board. His methods were unsound.
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He is the head coach. He will have his hands in all facets of the o, d, and special teams. As he should.
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No way should Kelly be involved in any kind of play calling. He has proven he cannot win a big game. He has proven, unless he is surrounded by good coaches on his staff, he will get out coached in every big game.
 
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