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[mmboys07]

I see Stanford has 3 5 star commits (rivals). Maybe the Irish can get just 1? Hoping the overall coaching and schemes will be better this year.

 

[scubastevefl]

Stanford also developes its players, 5 stars or 2 stars.

Stanford is loaded at QB on paper, Ryan Burns, Keller Chryst, K.J. Costello, and now number one QB in 17 Davis Mills.

 

[Maplerock]

You can have 4 stellar QB'S, but only one can play... remember?

 

[floridairish]

The Sewing Circle is convinced David Shaw walks on water so playing 4 QB's simultaneously would not be a problem.

If Shaw stopped short DIPpy Doo's head would be lodged in his lower intestine. He and cgvr have taken jock sniffing and rear end kissing to a new level!!

 

[perseverare]

I see Stanford has 3 5 star commits (rivals). Maybe the Irish can get just 1? Hoping the overall coaching and schemes will be better this year.

#1 QB, #1&#2 OT's, and top TE ?

they did very well.

 

[NyyorkerND]

I see Stanford has 3 5 star commits (rivals). Maybe the Irish can get just 1? Hoping the overall coaching and schemes will be better this year.

I dont care about stars, I want guys who can play and help this team win. Fill the class with talent and potential and let's hope they develop on an off the field.

 

[IrishInOntario]

#1 QB, #1&#2 OT's, and top TE ?

they did very well.

Add in Osiris St. Btown and Paulson Adebo as their WR haul and we're talking about an ELITE offensive class. That said, they routinely field a quality defense and at this point they have a total of 3 defensive recruits, and not one of them is ranked above 3 stars... If ND recruited like that, we'd never hear the end of how unbalanced ND's class is, or how ND will never win anymore games because they don't recruit like Alabama on defense.

 

[chaseball]

they have a total of 3 defensive recruits, and not one of them is ranked above 3 stars... If ND recruited like that, we'd never hear the end of how unbalanced ND's class is, or how ND will never win anymore games because they don't recruit like Alabama on defense.

This is the kind of hyperbole we have to get past in order to have a real conversation about the subject.

Nobody claims that ND can't win games without recruiting like Bama on defense. However, ND admins, analysts, fans, etc. need to stop looking the other way and pretending that it's ok that other prominent programs are hoarding the best athletes in the country while ND is on the outside looking in.

By any metric available, by and large, a program is capped based on the level of talent they are able to attract on the recruiting trail. ND should aspire to be more than Stanford, or MSU, or some other Cinderella program that lucks into the postseason/bcs once or twice a decade with middling talent.

Notre Dame should be peers with the Bama's, OSUs, USCs, FSUs, LSUs of the world .. not looking up to them with a roster half as talented/deep/balanced as theirs.

 

[bizzybecknd]

This is the kind of hyperbole we have to get past in order to have a real conversation about the subject.

Nobody claims that ND can't win games without recruiting like Bama on defense. However, ND admins, analysts, fans, etc. need to stop looking the other way and pretending that it's ok that other prominent programs are hoarding the best athletes in the country while ND is on the outside looking in.

By any metric available, by and large, a program is capped based on the level of talent they are able to attract on the recruiting trail. ND should aspire to be more than Stanford, or MSU, or some other Cinderella program that lucks into the postseason/bcs once or twice a decade with middling talent.

Notre Dame should be peers with the Bama's, OSUs, USCs, FSUs, LSUs of the world .. not looking up to them with a roster half as talented/deep/balanced as theirs.

Peers with LSU and USC? Why are they grouped in with Bama and OSU? Weird. The other three you mentioned, it takes sacrificing in areas where ND will not, and should not sacrifice to be their peers on the football field. I'm okay with ND not being a peer with those classless institutions for the sake of luring a 18 yr old football player at all costs. Get a grip.

 

[perseverare]

Football is a de facto 'major' offered at some universities; those that set national prominance as a priority value. Football is not a major offered at ND. It is first a value judgement.

 

[NyyorkerND]

Football is a de facto 'major' offered at some universities; those that set national prominance as a priority value. Football is not a major offered at ND. It is first a value judgement.

You're right and I'm glad that ND chooses to keep it that way.

 

[chaseball]

You're right and I'm glad that ND chooses to keep it that way.

Ok then .. don't cry / call for the coaches head when ND can't win more than 8 regular season games and have another postseason-less season

 

[perseverare]

Ok then .. don't cry / call for the coaches head when ND can't win more than 8 regular season games and have another postseason-less season

However, my complaints with the H.C. are as as much non football as with football success.

 

[IrishInOntario]

This is the kind of hyperbole we have to get past in order to have a real conversation about the subject.

Nobody claims that ND can't win games without recruiting like Bama on defense. However, ND admins, analysts, fans, etc. need to stop looking the other way and pretending that it's ok that other prominent programs are hoarding the best athletes in the country while ND is on the outside looking in.

By any metric available, by and large, a program is capped based on the level of talent they are able to attract on the recruiting trail. ND should aspire to be more than Stanford, or MSU, or some other Cinderella program that lucks into the postseason/bcs once or twice a decade with middling talent.

Notre Dame should be peers with the Bama's, OSUs, USCs, FSUs, LSUs of the world .. not looking up to them with a roster half as talented/deep/balanced as theirs.

You do not recruit at the level or Alabama or Ohio State on a consistent basis until you win like they do on a consistent basis. You start winning on a consistent basis when you bring quality players in each year, well rounded classes and you retain and develop the players in those classes... Quality recruiting + Development + Pto gram culture will get you to 9-10 wins each year... you get those 11th and 12th wins consistently, when you start adding those 3-4 elite recruits every class.

You have to walk before you can run!

 

[NyyorkerND]

Ok then .. don't cry / call for the coaches head when ND can't win more than 8 regular season games and have another postseason-less season

I never have and never will. Win or lose I still root for the Irish. That's what being a fan is and we can win more than 8 games we've done it under the current regime.

 

[perseverare]

In '17, ND has UGA, Stanford, USC
In '18 ND has UM, FSU, Stanford, and USC

has anyone noticed how the recruiting has gone for these future opponents?

 

[Pennick44]

In '17, ND has UGA, Stanford, USC
In '18 ND has UM, FSU, Stanford, and USC

has anyone noticed how the recruiting has gone for these future opponents?

Have you been obeying the restraining order issued by Mike Sanford Jr. Attorney?

 

[Irish 54]

The Sewing Circle is convinced David Shaw walks on water so playing 4 QB's simultaneously would not be a problem.

If Shaw stopped short DIPpy Doo's head would be lodged in his lower intestine. He and cgvr have taken jock sniffing and rear end kissing to a new level!!

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